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2007-12-19 09:10:43
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6979|Texas - Bigger than France

CameronPoe wrote:

Pug wrote:

Actually, I fail to see why this has to be termed as "Communism".  Democrats argue the want to have the government involved in distributing the money to the programs - aka tax you & make the decision on what to support for the public.
You vote for Democrats based on what they intend/'promise'* to do when in office. It's not one party rule...

*Much like you vote Republican because you know that they will finally stem the tide of illegal immigrants across your southern border....
Sort of the idea...but as party lines goes...a Democrat believes that more government programs equates to an equal distribution of aid...while a Republican believes more money goes to the programs if not regulated, and not all programs are worthy of funding.

Aka - politicizing charitable programs - there's two different ways this can be done.

+1 for somehow tying this to illegal immigration.
2007-12-19 09:18:03
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

Pug wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Pug wrote:

I'm not researching a known fact.
So thats no you don't have any sources.

Thanks for being man enough to admit it at least.
There are sources.  But like I said I'm not researching a known fact.

There are websites that rate charities, show the % per dollar which goes to the needy, and there are websites that report on government programs as well.

You're telling me the government is MORE efficient?  Be realistic.
No, the government is for everyone, and charities give to whoever they want.
2007-12-19 09:26:00
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6979|Texas - Bigger than France

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:


So thats no you don't have any sources.

Thanks for being man enough to admit it at least.
There are sources.  But like I said I'm not researching a known fact.

There are websites that rate charities, show the % per dollar which goes to the needy, and there are websites that report on government programs as well.

You're telling me the government is MORE efficient?  Be realistic.
No, the government is for everyone, and charities give to whoever they want.
Charity drawback = not everything is funded
Government drawback = inefficient in providing funds

You are forgetting that to give to a charity, the person generally wants to fund their cause.  Just like the government is supposed to be distributing the money according to democratic principle.

It's just two ways of looking at it.

Are you willing to have a small portion of your money go to the needy?  Are you okay with funding programs you don't agree with?

versus

Are you okay with the problems because no charity has taken up a certain cause?

Both have political bias on who gets the money.  One option just takes out the middle man.
2007-12-19 09:31:42
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

There are sources.  But like I said I'm not researching a known fact.

There are websites that rate charities, show the % per dollar which goes to the needy, and there are websites that report on government programs as well.

You're telling me the government is MORE efficient?  Be realistic.
No, the government is for everyone, and charities give to whoever they want.
Charity drawback = not everything is funded
Government drawback = inefficient in providing funds

You are forgetting that to give to a charity, the person generally wants to fund their cause.  Just like the government is supposed to be distributing the money according to democratic principle.

It's just two ways of looking at it.

Are you willing to have a small portion of your money go to the needy?  Are you okay with funding programs you don't agree with?

versus

Are you okay with the problems because no charity has taken up a certain cause?

Both have political bias on who gets the money.  One option just takes out the middle man.
I'm not saying stop giving to charities.  I just said you can't rely on charities to help all the people, that's a government's role.  Of course, the bureaucracy will keep some of your taxes, making that less money gets to the ones in need, but that's the way it works.  And regarding the programs you don't agree, I wonder if you guys have the same problem with subsidies to big companies.  That money comes from your taxes too, and I don't hear you complaining about that.

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2007-12-19 09:39:22
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6979|Texas - Bigger than France

sergeriver wrote:

I'm not saying stop giving to charities.  I just said you can't rely on charities to help all the people, that's a government's role.  Of course, the bureaucracy will keep some of your taxes, making that less money gets to the ones in need, but that's the way it works.  And regarding the programs you don't agree, I wonder if you guys have the same problem with subsidies to big companies.  That money comes from your taxes too, and I don't hear you complaining about that.
I would certainly argue that "more programs" don't necessarily mean "better".

I think you understand the big company subsidity issue fine, you just don't agree with it.

+1 for somehow tying this post to big business subsidities.
2007-12-19 09:44:24
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I'm not saying stop giving to charities.  I just said you can't rely on charities to help all the people, that's a government's role.  Of course, the bureaucracy will keep some of your taxes, making that less money gets to the ones in need, but that's the way it works.  And regarding the programs you don't agree, I wonder if you guys have the same problem with subsidies to big companies.  That money comes from your taxes too, and I don't hear you complaining about that.
I would certainly argue that "more programs" don't necessarily mean "better".

I think you understand the big company subsidity issue fine, you just don't agree with it.

+1 for somehow tying this post to big business subsidities.
I agree with subsidies if they encourage more production and jobs.  As long as these companies export more products, more money comes back to your country.
2007-12-19 10:16:59
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7052|do not disturb

It all boils down to collectivism vs individualism. Collectivism; for the greater good of the group sometimes at the expense of the individual or many, and individualism; personal responsibility, dependency on one's self and the belief of liberty. There are many forms of collectivism, but some nations just have more collective ideals and beliefs than others, such as having universal health care. But all nations are collective to some extent. It is just how much responsibility should the individual have, and how much should be given to local, state, and federal levels.

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2007-12-19 12:26:00
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7208|PNW

sergeriver wrote:

And if there's one guy wanting to take advantage of this, well that guy is a scumbag and deserves to be shot.
With a gun?
2007-12-19 12:31:55
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

And if there's one guy wanting to take advantage of this, well that guy is a scumbag and deserves to be shot.
With a gun?
By a cop.
2007-12-19 12:36:11
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7208|PNW

sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

And if there's one guy wanting to take advantage of this, well that guy is a scumbag and deserves to be shot.
With a gun?
By a cop.
With a gun?
2007-12-19 12:36:37
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:


With a gun?
By a cop.
With a gun?
From a special unit.
2007-12-19 13:24:02
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7208|PNW

sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

By a cop.
With a gun?
From a special unit.
With a gun?

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