RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6915|Somewhere else

I would say that there would be no invasion, it Russia would withdraw after global pressure.

Russia May do that, but only to make a point, with the intention of withdrawing. 

I think this current world is unlike anything in history.  The world is at a point where everyone is allied with , or is, one of the biggest world powers, Wars between nations seem to be a thing of the past. 

Granted, it could all change in a WW3, but everybody has that shiny red nuclear button, so it's no longer victory for one, defeat for the other, any nations that engage in a full scale war will drag nuclear weapons in one way or another, which, ends in the end of the world. 

The only thing you have anymore is insurgencies, terrorist groups, and unstable nations in a near civil war.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7056|London, England

Snorkelfarsan wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Why the fuck would Russia even invade any European country anyway. I never understood that. They always taught that the red army will roll across the iron curtain one day, but why would they do it?

Is it because they're evil communists?
It has nothing to do with them being commies. It has to do with them invading Sweden because of several events happening between Russia and Sweden. They pretty much invaded Sweden because a lot of shit was going down in Russia and the Russian people needed someone to blame, kind of.

Magpie, you just read the story right? help explain the credibility of the scenario.
Ok.

But why was everyone so scared of a Russian Invasion of W.Europe during the Cold War?
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6849|Finland

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I wish Finland would join NATO ASAP. Those Russians are pissing me off... Can't they leave us alone ffs. Why do they care so much what we do....
whats going on now?
Finland won't do almost anything that Russia doesn't approve. As soon as they RAWWWWWRRR we decide not to do it. They also threatened with something if we joined NATO.... Come on USA. Bring on few nukes here and they'll stay quiet...
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+333|6434|...

RoosterCantrell wrote:

I think this current world is unlike anything in history.  The world is at a point where everyone is allied with , or is, one of the biggest world powers, Wars between nations seem to be a thing of the past.
What?

It has been just 60 years that no gigantic war has occured and we're already saying it's impossible nations go at war with eachother?
we're on the edge of a few wars now and in a war already. Just because people got alliances the wars will only get bigger unless everyone is allied to eachother and everywhere around the world each and every person has the same living standards.
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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7079

dayarath wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

I think this current world is unlike anything in history.  The world is at a point where everyone is allied with , or is, one of the biggest world powers, Wars between nations seem to be a thing of the past.
What?

It has been just 60 years that no gigantic war has occured and we're already saying it's impossible nations go at war with eachother?
we're on the edge of a few wars now and in a war already.
great post.  something I always bring up.  People seem to believe that world history didnt start until 1945
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6915|Somewhere else

dayarath wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

I think this current world is unlike anything in history.  The world is at a point where everyone is allied with , or is, one of the biggest world powers, Wars between nations seem to be a thing of the past.
What?

It has been just 60 years that no gigantic war has occured and we're already saying it's impossible nations go at war with eachother?
we're on the edge of a few wars now and in a war already. Just because people got alliances the wars will only get bigger unless everyone is allied to eachother and everywhere around the world each and every person has the same living standards.
I said "seem to be" and in the rest of my post, I did say a WW3 situation could change all of that.  The basis being that, with the world being so interconnected, national economies interwoven, and nuclear weapons all make major wars kind of obsolete.  60 Since the introduction of the nuclear weapon.  The ultimate deterrent for war where the loser of a war can destroy the victor.

As of the "wars" we (U.S.) are in, there is no nation we are at war, rather an insurgency.  And if a war in Iran does occur, it will only happen because Iran chooses to defy the wishes of the global community, rather they have that right or not is not what I am saying though.

The hypothitcal/ posible situation with Sweden is that it is a player in the global  community, and has made itself a friendly nation, I don't see the U.N. or the U.S. allowing A russian invasion.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

People seem to believe that world history didnt start until 1945
I realize the world was around for quite some time.  I am just saying that never before has the world been so co-dependant, and so capabable of destroying itself.  No one wants the end of the world, and the capabilities to destroy any invader and its nation came with ease at the dawn of the nuclear era.

Before, anyone could invade, and only engage in more war should someone intervene.  Now, if someone decides to invade, its pretty much a "ok, That's enough" as a nuclear weapon is waived in thier face.  basically, the end all checkmate, should enough nations get involved is the nuclear war, so, inthat light, everyone has to kinda play cool now.

Last edited by RoosterCantrell (2008-01-09 11:17:11)

suomalainen_äijä
Member
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Snorkelfarsan wrote:

Here is a link to the topic on the swedish forum. It was posted back in '04.
I doubt any of you can read it, but if you happen to be swedish, or know someone who can translate it then take your time.
I can read it...
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+333|6434|...
As of the "wars" we (U.S.) are in, there is no nation we are at war, rather an insurgency.  And if a war in Iran does occur, it will only happen because Iran chooses to defy the wishes of the global community, rather they have that right or not is not what I am saying though.
There's way more nations involved than just the US on this war against insurgencies. And don't forget that firstly it was a war with Iraq itself, after that we got major trouble with the Taliban around us which we're still fighting with today, this insurgency is very much serious to just about everyone that's participating in trying to stop them, but somehow it seems as if they recruit more members weekly than we kill.

and as for Iran, they're dumfucks trying to insult certain nations and provoke for a hella long time now, not just defy the wishes of the global community. Supplying these insurgencies with weapons and doing a whole lot more bad stuff, I'm certain they'll cross the line pretty soon - if they didn't already. Someone needs to make them shut the hell up for once.
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RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6915|Somewhere else

dayarath wrote:

As of the "wars" we (U.S.) are in, there is no nation we are at war, rather an insurgency.  And if a war in Iran does occur, it will only happen because Iran chooses to defy the wishes of the global community, rather they have that right or not is not what I am saying though.
There's way more nations involved than just the US on this war against insurgencies. And don't forget that firstly it was a war with Iraq itself, after that we got major trouble with the Taliban around us which we're still fighting with today, this insurgency is very much serious to just about everyone that's participating in trying to stop them, but somehow it seems as if they recruit more members weekly than we kill.

and as for Iran, they're dumfucks trying to insult certain nations and provoke for a hella long time now, not just defy the wishes of the global community. Supplying these insurgencies with weapons and doing a whole lot more bad stuff, I'm certain they'll cross the line pretty soon - if they didn't already. Someone needs to make them shut the hell up for once.
Ok, yeah there are other nations than the U.S., I was just speaking of the "war" in general, Since the "war on terror" was spearheaded by the U.S.

Once again though, Iraq was in defiance of the global community.   Just like Iran is.

So maybe I should edit a bit.  The nations friendly to the majority global community all must get along, or face problems from other members of that community.  Rogue nations, have few powerful allies, at thier own peril and Rogue nations, standing alone, have little power, which results in a small war, likely to be followed by internal terrorism, just like Iraq.

And there is the nuclear thing again.  Iran wants nuclear energy.  The global Community fears nuclear weapons.  Iran doesn't want to play by the global cummunity's rules, so the global community doesn't want an "outsider" to have the nuclear negotiaton capability.

Last edited by RoosterCantrell (2008-01-09 11:24:02)

Snorkelfarsan
Soup Boy
+32|7041|Stockholm, Sweden

suomalainen_äijä wrote:

Snorkelfarsan wrote:

Here is a link to the topic on the swedish forum. It was posted back in '04.
I doubt any of you can read it, but if you happen to be swedish, or know someone who can translate it then take your time.
I can read it...
Good, I thought some of you Finnish ppl might be able to.

Kitos!
Snorkelfarsan
Soup Boy
+32|7041|Stockholm, Sweden

Mek-Izzle wrote:

But why was everyone so scared of a Russian Invasion of W.Europe during the Cold War?
Because we didn't want to become a part of the Soviet Union, and then - like now (and always) - nobody wants to be invaded. Also, USA were scared shitless of the thought of a communist West Europe. They didnt even want a communist South East Asia, and they tried to prevent it. Imagine the size of the war if Russia had invaded Europe during the Cold War...
Heavy_Guns_91
I hand out purple hearts like candy
+72|6838|Alberta, Canada
(About WWII)

SenorToenails wrote:

Needless to say, if the US had only 1 front to deal with, it probably would have ended a lot sooner.
The same could be said about Germany. Most of their men were put on the Eastern front to fight off Russia's army. If Hitler had not attacked Russia, the Allies on the Western front would've had to fight ALL of Germany AND Russia. We had enough trouble against the Western front as it was. Fighting the other half of Germany and Russia would've been fucking hard, if not impossible.

Now, if you want to reply to me and carry on the conversation further... PM me. Because I probably won't find your reply in here.
Snorkelfarsan
Soup Boy
+32|7041|Stockholm, Sweden
Personally, I'm not so sure the US would acctually come to our aid, at least not with guns and troops. And if they would, I think it would take at least a few years before they decide to help. the government would be to afraid to do anything since it might start a war that nobody wants.

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