Egypt is under enormous pressure - from Israel and much of the international community - to get a grip and reseal the border.
Are those living and leaving Gaza imprisoned or something?
Are those living and leaving Gaza imprisoned or something?
Surely it's good for the Egyptian economy anyway, probably why they're not stopping it. Israel can prevent Gazans from ever setting foot in Israel but they can't do shit to stop them going to Egypt.
I personally don't give a fuck that Palestinians are going to Egypt to buy fuel, food and 360's and whatever other shit. Good for them. If I could I'd go to other countries to buy shit too if it was easy as walking across land and it was cheaper. This time round Israel are the ones being a bunch of faggots.
I personally don't give a fuck that Palestinians are going to Egypt to buy fuel, food and 360's and whatever other shit. Good for them. If I could I'd go to other countries to buy shit too if it was easy as walking across land and it was cheaper. This time round Israel are the ones being a bunch of faggots.
Yes, by the Israelis.Are those living and leaving Gaza imprisoned or something?
Israel controls the border, or forces the Egyptians to control the border.
A trick the Israelis picked up from Warsaw.
Fuck Israel
Israel isn't forcing Egypt to control the border.
Egypt, just like Israel, doesn't like Islamic radicals and terrorist organizations.
Controlling the Egypt-Gaza border helps Egypt's security.
Egypt, just like Israel, doesn't like Islamic radicals and terrorist organizations.
Controlling the Egypt-Gaza border helps Egypt's security.
All people living in Gaza are extremists?Shadowolf wrote:
Israel isn't forcing Egypt to control the border.
Egypt, just like Israel, doesn't like Islamic radicals and terrorist organizations.
Controlling the Egypt-Gaza border helps Egypt's security.
Can you leave your country when you want?
Since when are Israel and Egypt allies btw?
No, but keeping the border loose means that islamic radicals in Gaza could cross easily into Egypt and cause trouble over there.sergeriver wrote:
All people living in Gaza are extremists?
Yeah I can, but I can't go to certain hostile countries (not that I want to go there, anyway.)sergeriver wrote:
Can you leave your country when you want?
We have a peace-treaty with them.I don't think we actually like each other,but we share some common goals, like stopping Islamic radiclas from growing stronger.sergeriver wrote:
Since when are Israel and Egypt allies btw?
And that's fair to the 99% of innocent people how again?Shadowolf wrote:
No, but keeping the border loose means that islamic radicals in Gaza could cross easily into Egypt and cause trouble over there.sergeriver wrote:
All people living in Gaza are extremists?
I guess I would answer the same than you.Shadowolf wrote:
Yeah I can, but I can't go to certain hostile countries (not that I want to go there, anyway.)sergeriver wrote:
Can you leave your country when you want?
Don't think Egypt is on your side pal. They aren't.Shadowolf wrote:
We have a peace-treaty with them.I don't think we actually like each other,but we share some common goals, like stopping Islamic radiclas from growing stronger.sergeriver wrote:
Since when are Israel and Egypt allies btw?
Given long enough time without the essentials of life, anyone would become a radical.
If it is to be its own state eventually should it not be able to sustain itself?
If it is to be its own state eventually should it not be able to sustain itself?
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They can't sustain themselves because there's an economic boycott and a blockade on them.jsnipy wrote:
Given long enough time without the essentials of life, anyone would become a radical.
If it is to be its own state eventually should it not be able to sustain itself?
Like I said, we have a peace-treaty with them and share some common goals, but we don't like each other.
And Egypt could do what ever it wants with it's Egypt-Gaza border, if they want to keep it closed it's their decision only.
But, keeping it open would really help radicals, and thats something that both Egypt and Israel don't want.
And Egypt could do what ever it wants with it's Egypt-Gaza border, if they want to keep it closed it's their decision only.
But, keeping it open would really help radicals, and thats something that both Egypt and Israel don't want.
I think this is a valid point. It is not fair to the 99% of innocent Gaza residents.sergeriver wrote:
And that's fair to the 99% of innocent people how again?Shadowolf wrote:
No, but keeping the border loose means that islamic radicals in Gaza could cross easily into Egypt and cause trouble over there.sergeriver wrote:
All people living in Gaza are extremists?
But don't blame Egypt (or Israel). It is unreasonable to ask Egypt and Israel to sacrifice their safety. Blame Hamas and the people who provide support and funds for it.
Israel is currently holding back supplies to Gaza because no matter how much we ask them nicely, they wont stop shooting rockets at us.
The terrorists need to understand that harming our citizens is not going to make us softer or more sympathetic to their cause.
By blocking supplies we are trying to show them that those rockets are only making things worse, but I'm guessing it won't work, since terrorists only understand bullets and bombs.
The terrorists need to understand that harming our citizens is not going to make us softer or more sympathetic to their cause.
By blocking supplies we are trying to show them that those rockets are only making things worse, but I'm guessing it won't work, since terrorists only understand bullets and bombs.
That's the here and now. But if you rely on neighboring territories for your survival, then you should not fire rockets and mortars into it.sergeriver wrote:
They can't sustain themselves because there's an economic boycott and a blockade on them.jsnipy wrote:
Given long enough time without the essentials of life, anyone would become a radical.
If it is to be its own state eventually should it not be able to sustain itself?
I realize to that not everyone takes part in this, but those that do are the ones responsible for the despair that they caused.
and Isreal have said that once Hamas have stopped launching rockets at Isreal, the blockade will be liftedsergeriver wrote:
They can't sustain themselves because there's an economic boycott and a blockade on them.jsnipy wrote:
Given long enough time without the essentials of life, anyone would become a radical.
If it is to be its own state eventually should it not be able to sustain itself?
Seems fair to me, might motivate the average Joe in Gaza to do something about the terrorist element there.samfink wrote:
and Isreal have said that once Hamas have stopped launching rockets at Isreal, the blockade will be liftedsergeriver wrote:
They can't sustain themselves because there's an economic boycott and a blockade on them.jsnipy wrote:
Given long enough time without the essentials of life, anyone would become a radical.
If it is to be its own state eventually should it not be able to sustain itself?
I don't justify the actions of Hamas, but they don't act over nothing.san4 wrote:
I think this is a valid point. It is not fair to the 99% of innocent Gaza residents.sergeriver wrote:
And that's fair to the 99% of innocent people how again?Shadowolf wrote:
No, but keeping the border loose means that islamic radicals in Gaza could cross easily into Egypt and cause trouble over there.
But don't blame Egypt (or Israel). It is unreasonable to ask Egypt and Israel to sacrifice their safety. Blame Hamas and the people who provide support and funds for it.
Israel is the same state that destroyed half of Lebanon and killed more than 1000 civilians over two kidnapped soldiers. Israel is punishing the wrong people. Extremists don't give a shit for others lives but neither does Israel.samfink wrote:
and Isreal have said that once Hamas have stopped launching rockets at Isreal, the blockade will be liftedsergeriver wrote:
They can't sustain themselves because there's an economic boycott and a blockade on them.jsnipy wrote:
Given long enough time without the essentials of life, anyone would become a radical.
If it is to be its own state eventually should it not be able to sustain itself?
I thought they were usually the ones to start stuff off.sergeriver wrote:
I don't justify the actions of Hamas, but they don't act over nothing.san4 wrote:
I think this is a valid point. It is not fair to the 99% of innocent Gaza residents.sergeriver wrote:
And that's fair to the 99% of innocent people how again?
But don't blame Egypt (or Israel). It is unreasonable to ask Egypt and Israel to sacrifice their safety. Blame Hamas and the people who provide support and funds for it.
Throwing rockets into a country is not a good thing at all, but making a prison of another isn't either.M.O.A.B wrote:
I thought they were usually the ones to start stuff off.sergeriver wrote:
I don't justify the actions of Hamas, but they don't act over nothing.san4 wrote:
I think this is a valid point. It is not fair to the 99% of innocent Gaza residents.
But don't blame Egypt (or Israel). It is unreasonable to ask Egypt and Israel to sacrifice their safety. Blame Hamas and the people who provide support and funds for it.
I didn't say you did. I meant that you should look to them for a solution. Hamas and the people who fund it are the ones causing Gaza's residents to suffer. They are the only ones who can be expected to stop it.sergeriver wrote:
I don't justify the actions of Hamas, but they don't act over nothing.san4 wrote:
I think this is a valid point. It is not fair to the 99% of innocent Gaza residents.sergeriver wrote:
And that's fair to the 99% of innocent people how again?
But don't blame Egypt (or Israel). It is unreasonable to ask Egypt and Israel to sacrifice their safety. Blame Hamas and the people who provide support and funds for it.
Serge please just read the damn article rather than just linking it. It clearly states the EGYPT wants the border closed as they dont like Hamas coming into their country and causing political problems. Do you want egypt to turn into a war zone?sergeriver wrote:
All people living in Gaza are extremists?Shadowolf wrote:
Israel isn't forcing Egypt to control the border.
Egypt, just like Israel, doesn't like Islamic radicals and terrorist organizations.
Controlling the Egypt-Gaza border helps Egypt's security.
Can you leave your country when you want?
Since when are Israel and Egypt allies btw?
And technically yes I cant leave my country without my passport.
Hey its a simple setup, if those living there help root out and stop the rockets being launched, they'll receive everything again. When people grow desperate, they will turn on anyone in order to stop that desperation.sergeriver wrote:
Throwing rockets into a country is not a good thing at all, but making a prison of another isn't either.M.O.A.B wrote:
I thought they were usually the ones to start stuff off.sergeriver wrote:
I don't justify the actions of Hamas, but they don't act over nothing.
Egypt couldn't care less if the pool is closed or not.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 210311.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 210311.stm
And they have no real reason to care either, it's doing good for their economy. The Egyptian shopkeepers must be loving the new market that they've been opened up toOn Saturday, the governor of the Egyptian border province of North Sinai said that Egypt would continue allowing Palestinians to come across the border, and that it would help them stock up on supplies.
He said the security forces had been instructed to facilitate the Palestinians' passage and that he was co-ordinating with ministers in Cairo to have fresh stocks of commodities sent to the border area..
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I read the whole article and just quoted the part talking about closing the border again. What I meant is who decided that those people should be imprisoned? And why would Egypt turn into a war zone by letting people from Gaza buy goods?Vilham wrote:
Serge please just read the damn article rather than just linking it. It clearly states the EGYPT wants the border closed as they dont like Hamas coming into their country and causing political problems. Do you want egypt to turn into a war zone?sergeriver wrote:
All people living in Gaza are extremists?Shadowolf wrote:
Israel isn't forcing Egypt to control the border.
Egypt, just like Israel, doesn't like Islamic radicals and terrorist organizations.
Controlling the Egypt-Gaza border helps Egypt's security.
Can you leave your country when you want?
Since when are Israel and Egypt allies btw?
And technically yes I cant leave my country without my passport.
Wow the thread changes so much over the course of two or three posts.
Israel and Egypt have never seen eye to eye, that's a fact. It' wasn't even thirty years ago that Israel was bombing Egypt.
Let's get this straight, Israel wants Egypt to tighten it's borders, because they feel that people are sneaking out, recruiting armies, buying weapons, finding alternate points of entry and ultimately moving around however and whenever they please. To be honest, it is there problem, but it is not there place to force other governments to deal with it, Egypt is massive. Anyway, Israel is becoming very totalitarian in recent years don't you think, they are not really the 'almost hippie' Israel of the seventies
Israel and Egypt have never seen eye to eye, that's a fact. It' wasn't even thirty years ago that Israel was bombing Egypt.
Let's get this straight, Israel wants Egypt to tighten it's borders, because they feel that people are sneaking out, recruiting armies, buying weapons, finding alternate points of entry and ultimately moving around however and whenever they please. To be honest, it is there problem, but it is not there place to force other governments to deal with it, Egypt is massive. Anyway, Israel is becoming very totalitarian in recent years don't you think, they are not really the 'almost hippie' Israel of the seventies