| Gwb | 30% | 30% - 17 | ||||
| Fidel Castro | 69% | 69% - 39 | ||||
| Total: 56 | ||||||
The real question should be, given the the state of the country when they took power, who had the most positive/negative influence.Turquoise wrote:
Shouldn't the question be: Who leaves a WORSE legacy?
Castro is worse overall, but Bush has done a lot of damage in less than 8 years (as compared to Castro's 50).
Touche... quite a few of the Cubans that come here are criminals. I personally would prefer we ship the criminal ones to Puerto Rico.Dilbert_X wrote:
They were mostly gangsters and fascists so I wouldn't worry about their opinionthe obvious hate Cuban-Americans have for him
Good point....PureFodder wrote:
The real question should be, given the the state of the country when they took power, who had the most positive/negative influence.Turquoise wrote:
Shouldn't the question be: Who leaves a WORSE legacy?
Castro is worse overall, but Bush has done a lot of damage in less than 8 years (as compared to Castro's 50).
Turning a hell hole into a fairly crappy place is a far more worthy acomplishment than maintaining a good country at it's current level.
Lol, no it isn't.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Is this one of those two part questions?
Who leaves a better legacy, Fidel or GWB?
Well, according to this poll, 66% believe Fidel was better, so don't you think he should have ruled the U.S.A. for 49 years instead?
Null vote.
Great contribution, as always.usmarine wrote:
oh brother
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There's no need for other options in this case. If so, which options are missing in your opinion? It's quite simple if you ask me. Which one leaves a better legacy for the US and Cuba. How was Cuba when Castro took the power and how is it today? How was the US when GWB took the office and how is it today? Forget about Fidel being a dictator and focus on what both guys achieved.Spearhead wrote:
Null vote, kind of a dumb question
Serge why not have some grey area, dude? All your polls force people to pick one or the other. Cuba and the USA are two very different countries and a lotta different things have happened to both. Plus, GWB has been in power for 8 years, Fidel for 50. Can't really compare to the two I think.
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Legacy isn't about today, Serge.sergeriver wrote:
There are no grey areas when you talk about legacy. Which one is a better legacy for the US and Cuba. How was Cuba when Castro took the power and how is it today? How was the US when GWB took the office and how is it today? Forget about Fidel being a dictator and focus on what both guys achieved.
We have 50 years to analize Fidel's legacy. That's more than enough time to do it. Do you honestly think GWB legacy will be any day in the future considered somehow good for the US?FEOS wrote:
Legacy isn't about today, Serge.sergeriver wrote:
There are no grey areas when you talk about legacy. Which one is a better legacy for the US and Cuba. How was Cuba when Castro took the power and how is it today? How was the US when GWB took the office and how is it today? Forget about Fidel being a dictator and focus on what both guys achieved.
No one can make an educated call on this because the legacy of a given leader isn't apparent until years after they have left office.
Dude, he was there for 50 years. Take a look at Cuba 50 years ago and now. Ok, now it's not like "I want to live like these guys", but if you compare both situations, yesterday and today, you'll notice a huge improvement in their living conditions.FEOS wrote:
Can't say, because it hasn't been long enough.
And we've only had a few days to analyze Fidel's legacy...he just resigned this week.
When you talk of 50 years there's no room for doubts about legacy. And his period as Cuban president ended a while ago.FEOS wrote:
Improvement over the course of a tenure is not a legacy. Legacy is the effect of the tenure after that tenure is finished.
FEOS wrote:
Nuh uh. He just retired.
Are you implying they haven't been open about Castro's health and ability to lead lately? YES
Yes, it is easier to look at Castro's 50 years of tenure and see how things he did decades ago have turned out. Not so easy with a guy who's been in office a little over 7 years. Comparing the two NOW is faulty.Maybe
Well... I don't know what GWB will do in his last year. I'm not a fan at all, but he's not satan and he could do some things which would make me think more highly of him.sergeriver wrote:
There's no need for other options in this case. If so, which options are missing in your opinion? It's quite simple if you ask me. Which one leaves a better legacy for the US and Cuba. How was Cuba when Castro took the power and how is it today? How was the US when GWB took the office and how is it today? Forget about Fidel being a dictator and focus on what both guys achieved.Spearhead wrote:
Null vote, kind of a dumb question
Serge why not have some grey area, dude? All your polls force people to pick one or the other. Cuba and the USA are two very different countries and a lotta different things have happened to both. Plus, GWB has been in power for 8 years, Fidel for 50. Can't really compare to the two I think.
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if i was a cuban american, i would say "fuck you"Dilbert_X wrote:
They were mostly gangsters and fascists so I wouldn't worry about their opinionthe obvious hate Cuban-Americans have for him
whats with you agreeing with everybody? Ive noticed this for a long time. You say one thing, someone elses says a conflicting argument and you ditch your view and say something like "touche" or "good point"Turquoise wrote:
Touche... quite a few of the Cubans that come here are criminals. I personally would prefer we ship the criminal ones to Puerto Rico.Dilbert_X wrote:
They were mostly gangsters and fascists so I wouldn't worry about their opinionthe obvious hate Cuban-Americans have for him
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Exactamundo.FEOS wrote:
Legacy isn't about today, Serge.sergeriver wrote:
There are no grey areas when you talk about legacy. Which one is a better legacy for the US and Cuba. How was Cuba when Castro took the power and how is it today? How was the US when GWB took the office and how is it today? Forget about Fidel being a dictator and focus on what both guys achieved.
No one can make an educated call on this because the legacy of a given leader isn't apparent until years after they have left office.
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Turqs a uniter. He likes to agree with people.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Touche... quite a few of the Cubans that come here are criminals. I personally would prefer we ship the criminal ones to Puerto Rico.
whats with you agreeing with everybody? Ive noticed this for a long time. You say one thing, someone elses says a conflicting argument and you ditch your view and say something like "touche" or "good point"
I dont have a problem agreeing with people. I find it funny though, when he sees a counter point, he ditches his argument and agrees with that point. Or, he'll agree with the point but continue to argue his point of view. He just wants to be agreeable to the point where "whats the point of even debating anything with you", you dont seem to have any sincere platform. One second, you cant stand ron paul, next second, thats the only man you would vote for.Spearhead wrote:
Turqs a uniter. He likes to agree with people.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Touche... quite a few of the Cubans that come here are criminals. I personally would prefer we ship the criminal ones to Puerto Rico.
whats with you agreeing with everybody? Ive noticed this for a long time. You say one thing, someone elses says a conflicting argument and you ditch your view and say something like "touche" or "good point"
Its actually kinda fun, agreeing with people, especially someone on the "other side" on these forums. One thread I might hate lowings guts, and in another sometimes I'm the only person who agrees with him. Its weird.
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Same could be said for this stupid ass thread.sergeriver wrote:
Great contribution, as always.usmarine wrote:
oh brother
I think Turq just acknowledges the point someone else is making, but just doesn't have the time/effort to make a lengthy post to try and prove his point. I bet thats it.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I dont have a problem agreeing with people. I find it funny though, when he sees a counter point, he ditches his argument and agrees with that point. Or, he'll agree with the point but continue to argue his point of view. He just wants to be agreeable to the point where "whats the point of even debating anything with you", you dont seem to have any sincere platform. One second, you cant stand ron paul, next second, thats the only man you would vote for.Spearhead wrote:
Turqs a uniter. He likes to agree with people.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Touche... quite a few of the Cubans that come here are criminals. I personally would prefer we ship the criminal ones to Puerto Rico.
whats with you agreeing with everybody? Ive noticed this for a long time. You say one thing, someone elses says a conflicting argument and you ditch your view and say something like "touche" or "good point"
Its actually kinda fun, agreeing with people, especially someone on the "other side" on these forums. One thread I might hate lowings guts, and in another sometimes I'm the only person who agrees with him. Its weird.
Just like John McCain, too wishy washy.