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2008-04-24 04:31:54
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7182|Argentina
Fuel crisis threatens UN Gaza aid

BBC wrote:

Assistant Secretary General Angela Kane said the distribution of food aid to 650,000 refugees and the collection of rubbish from 500,000 people would stop.

Israeli sanctions imposed in an attempt to force the Palestinian group Hamas to stop rocket fire have caused shortages.

But Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed.

It says there are a million litres of fuel at a border terminal which Gaza fuel distributors, with the backing of Hamas, have refused to collect in protest at the Israeli restrictions.
These fuckers one day tell Carter they are ready to accept Israel, and the next day they do this?  Way to help your people assholes.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-04-24 04:40:41)

2008-04-24 05:21:59
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6604

sergeriver wrote:

Fuel crisis threatens UN Gaza aid

BBC wrote:

Assistant Secretary General Angela Kane said the distribution of food aid to 650,000 refugees and the collection of rubbish from 500,000 people would stop.

Israeli sanctions imposed in an attempt to force the Palestinian group Hamas to stop rocket fire have caused shortages.

But Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed.

It says there are a million litres of fuel at a border terminal which Gaza fuel distributors, with the backing of Hamas, have refused to collect in protest at the Israeli restrictions.
These fuckers one day tell Carter they are ready to accept Israel, and the next day they do this?  Way to help your people assholes.
Hamas is more interested in fighting or drawing Israel into a fight. They are more interested in eliminating Israel. They are more interested in killing Israelis by rockets, suicides or kidnappings, they are more interested in keeping things unstable so they can keep the support of radicals and Islamic fundamentalists that have the same agenda. Does anyone think that Hamas is working for the legitimate cause of a Palestinian nation...hell no!!! They will do everything they can to keep this bullshit up.
2008-04-24 05:52:36
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7025|132 and Bush

It is important to ask: Why are they doing this?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-04-24 05:57:32
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7045|London, England

Kmarion wrote:

It is important to ask: Why are they doing this?
Who, Israel?

What else can they do? They've done pretty much everything, yet they still get attacked. I don't know what they can do, because even if they treat them right they'll still get attacked!

It's definitely Hamas that's the problem, you don't hear of many problems in the West Bank, where they have little control

I'm beginning to think Hamas won the elections unfairly, the Palestinians can't have been this stupid to vote them to power. Then again, we voted for Labour twice, and America voted for George Bush twice too...

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-04-24 05:58:21)

2008-04-24 06:35:21
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7025|132 and Bush

Why is Hamas attacking relief? I'm asking for more in depth critical thought.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-04-24 06:47:09
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7182|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

Why is Hamas attacking relief? I'm asking for more in depth critical thought.
Then, you have the answer but want us to think about it.  I'm at work, with 5 explorers opened, sending mails and trying to figure why the fuck Hamas are acting like shit with their own people.  Mmmm....mmmmm....to make Israel look bad coz of people starving?

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-04-24 06:47:43)

2008-04-24 07:10:39
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6530|eXtreme to the maX
But Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed.
Don't believe everything the Israelis tell you.
They say they are US allies, but at the same time are spying and stealing secret military information.
Fuck Israel
2008-04-24 07:13:28
imortal
Member
+240|7089|Austin, TX

Kmarion wrote:

Why is Hamas attacking relief? I'm asking for more in depth critical thought.
It is a recuiting drive.  If Hamas can keep the Pastinian people living as poorly as possible, it creates living conditions that prove to be the most furtile grounds in recruiting new suicide bombers and jihadists.  It does nto matter that they caused the shortage as long as they can point to another party as being responsible for their suffering. i.e. Isreal.
2008-04-24 07:16:26
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7182|Argentina

Dilbert_X wrote:

But Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed.
Don't believe everything the Israelis tell you.
They say they are US allies, but at the same time are spying and stealing secret military information.
I don't buy Israel shit, but I don't think Hamas is helping the situation either.
2008-04-24 09:11:20
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6647|Escea

Dilbert_X wrote:

But Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed.
Don't believe everything the Israelis tell you.
They say they are US allies, but at the same time are spying and stealing secret military information.
Every country spies on its allies in some way or another, always have always will, nothing new. I'm more inclined to believe the Israelis than Hamas, a cornerstone of which is deception.
2008-04-24 09:20:03
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6622
Yeah right

"Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed."

Hamas need that fuel as much and even more than any other civilians of Gaza.

It's BS propaganda from israel and you know it.   Don't fall for this crap , you are more intelligent than this.
2008-04-24 09:23:55
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6622

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

you don't hear of many problems in the West Bank, where they have little control...
And how israel is thanking the good and peace loving people of the west bank?  By building more illegal settlements on their land..

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/ … 3777.shtml
2008-04-24 09:30:00
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6966|Outer Space

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Yeah right

"Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed."

Hamas need that fuel as much and even more than any other civilians of Gaza.

It's BS propaganda from israel and you know it.   Don't fall for this crap , you are more intelligent than this.
Uh, why did Hamas attack a border transfer station not a month ago then? I would assume that if they wanted fuel, they'd bring a can at least. Looks like they just went in shooting, trying to get it shut down.

Something definitely smells fishy in Hamas land... Not to say Israelis are angels of course...
2008-04-24 09:37:53
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6647|Escea

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Hamas need that fuel as much and even more than any other civilians of Gaza.
So they prevent it being distributed to the civilians and keep it for themselves. The militia in Somalia in the early 90's did the same with food.
2008-04-24 09:38:33
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California
I'm having a hard time believing Hamas is really as jacked up as reported.  I don't believe ANY "western friendly media" could possibly be fair and report both sides, nor do I have reason to believe they would report fairly.  Having said that, I do believe the Palestinian people love Hamas and voted for them to govern their people, and I've seen what Hamas has done for the Palestinian people..so I do believe they do hold the interest of their people in perspective.
2008-04-24 09:40:53
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6622

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Yeah right

"Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed."

Hamas need that fuel as much and even more than any other civilians of Gaza.

It's BS propaganda from israel and you know it.   Don't fall for this crap , you are more intelligent than this.
Uh, why did Hamas attack a border transfer station not a month ago then? I would assume that if they wanted fuel, they'd bring a can at least. Looks like they just went in shooting, trying to get it shut down.

Something definitely smells fishy in Hamas land... Not to say Israelis are angels of course...
I remember hamas not claimin the responsability of this attack and knowing how the israeli goverment is, i could be very possible that it was an accident and israel decided to blame the palestinians for the attack.  That fuel depot is very well guarded as it is on the border between Gaza and israel, i don't know how 3 or 4 palestinians managed to blow it up.

Yea i'm a conspiracy nut
2008-04-24 09:42:00
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6647|Escea

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm having a hard time believing Hamas is really as jacked up as reported.  I don't believe ANY "western friendly media" could possibly be fair and report both sides, nor do I have reason to believe they would report fairly.  Having said that, I do believe the Palestinian people love Hamas and voted for them to govern their people, and I've seen what Hamas has done for the Palestinian people..so I do believe they do hold the interest of their people in perspective.
That include provoking retaliatory airstrikes in civilian areas because of launching rockets and continously causing problems in the area?
2008-04-24 09:43:52
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6622

M.O.A.B wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Hamas need that fuel as much and even more than any other civilians of Gaza.
So they prevent it being distributed to the civilians and keep it for themselves. The militia in Somalia in the early 90's did the same with food.
No israel said that Hamas is refusing to collect the fuel, its different.

See this quote from the OP:

"It says there are a million litres of fuel at a border terminal which Gaza fuel distributors, with the backing of Hamas, have refused to collect in protest at the Israeli restrictions."
2008-04-24 09:58:48
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California

M.O.A.B wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm having a hard time believing Hamas is really as jacked up as reported.  I don't believe ANY "western friendly media" could possibly be fair and report both sides, nor do I have reason to believe they would report fairly.  Having said that, I do believe the Palestinian people love Hamas and voted for them to govern their people, and I've seen what Hamas has done for the Palestinian people..so I do believe they do hold the interest of their people in perspective.
That include provoking retaliatory airstrikes in civilian areas because of launching rockets and continously causing problems in the area?
How do YOU know, personally, that it happened "as reported?"  YOu see, because I have little distrust (and for good cause) in how our media reports things in the israeli/palestinian conflict, what reason do I have to believe such conjured motives?  I have none, and I doubt highly you do.

But like you have seen people launching rockets, I too have seen bulldozers plowing over Palestinian homes.  In the pro-israeli reporting sources, that makes me realize Israel is the greater evil among the two.  Imagine if this little nationless ragtag group actually had sophisticated press and influence in world financial affairs...do you think the reports you see would be different?  I do.
2008-04-24 10:00:50
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6966|Outer Space

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

I remember hamas not claimin the responsability of this attack and knowing how the israeli goverment is, i could be very possible that it was an accident and israel decided to blame the palestinians for the attack.  That fuel depot is very well guarded as it is on the border between Gaza and israel, i don't know how 3 or 4 palestinians managed to blow it up.

Yea i'm a conspiracy nut
LOL. An accident, I'm sure. Those bad, bad guns walked across the border by themselves, and then they tripped, and accidentally went off, surely?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7338055.stm

BBC wrote:

The attack began with an apparent attempt to seize Israeli soldiers.

The two Israelis killed were workers at the depot near the Nahal Oz crossing in northern Gaza.

BBC wrote:

The raid, which happened just after a fuel delivery to Gaza, sparked a gun battle in which at least four militants were involved, the Israeli military says.
There goes your accident theory...

And have you ever heard of proxy war? If I recall correctly, Hamas took control of Gaza. They had no problems throwing out Fatah. Are you seriously saying they had no clue what was going to happen?
2008-04-24 10:07:46
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6647|Escea

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Hamas need that fuel as much and even more than any other civilians of Gaza.
So they prevent it being distributed to the civilians and keep it for themselves. The militia in Somalia in the early 90's did the same with food.
No israel said that Hamas is refusing to collect the fuel, its different.

See this quote from the OP:

"It says there are a million litres of fuel at a border terminal which Gaza fuel distributors, with the backing of Hamas, have refused to collect in protest at the Israeli restrictions."
Really? That's odd, your post says otherwise:

"Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed."

These lines indicate prevention not refusal.

IRONCHEF wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm having a hard time believing Hamas is really as jacked up as reported.  I don't believe ANY "western friendly media" could possibly be fair and report both sides, nor do I have reason to believe they would report fairly.  Having said that, I do believe the Palestinian people love Hamas and voted for them to govern their people, and I've seen what Hamas has done for the Palestinian people..so I do believe they do hold the interest of their people in perspective.
That include provoking retaliatory airstrikes in civilian areas because of launching rockets and continously causing problems in the area?
How do YOU know, personally, that it happened "as reported?"
A rocket came flying out of a civilian area on the path from Gaza to Israel, and Hamas regularly films themselves doing it. Must be some of that myth fake footage that the evil Israelis conjured up. Hell even the BBC, which is apparently the ultimately trusted non-bias news network, reports clear evidence that the rockets are made, and fired from Gaza by Hamas. Unless of course they came from Jordan but got caught in an unpleasant breeze blowing in from Gaza.
2008-04-24 10:18:21
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California
Oh yeah, I forgot that the UK reports unbiased news...especially unbiased when it comes to Israel/Palestine.  Noob.

Further, you didn't even get what I was saying, and it's apparent you feel Israel can do no wrong, so the argument is yours.
2008-04-24 10:18:41
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6604

M.O.A.B wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Hamas need that fuel as much and even more than any other civilians of Gaza.
So they prevent it being distributed to the civilians and keep it for themselves. The militia in Somalia in the early 90's did the same with food.
No israel said that Hamas is refusing to collect the fuel, its different.

See this quote from the OP:

"It says there are a million litres of fuel at a border terminal which Gaza fuel distributors, with the backing of Hamas, have refused to collect in protest at the Israeli restrictions."
Really? That's odd, your post says otherwise:

"Israel says Hamas is deliberately preventing fuel from being distributed."

These lines indicate prevention not refusal.

IRONCHEF wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:


That include provoking retaliatory airstrikes in civilian areas because of launching rockets and continously causing problems in the area?
How do YOU know, personally, that it happened "as reported?"
A rocket came flying out of a civilian area on the path from Gaza to Israel, and Hamas regularly films themselves doing it. Must be some of that myth fake footage that the evil Israelis conjured up. Hell even the BBC, which is apparently the ultimately trusted non-bias news network, reports clear evidence that the rockets are made, and fired from Gaza by Hamas. Unless of course they came from Jordan but got caught in an unpleasant breeze blowing in from Gaza.
Didn't Jimmy Carter just go there and try to ask Hamas from shooting an more rockets...even just for one month. Of course, Hamas said no and continue to shoot rockets...probably even more today. Even Hamas glorifies their rocket launches. So I guess everyone, even Hamas is a liar when it comes to launching rockets. People here won't even believe it if Hamas says it themselves...LOL.
2008-04-24 10:34:14
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6604
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ … 11786.aspx

A good little read about Hamas...
2008-04-24 10:35:19
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6647|Escea

IRONCHEF wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot that the UK reports unbiased news...especially unbiased when it comes to Israel/Palestine.  Noob.

Further, you didn't even get what I was saying, and it's apparent you feel Israel can do no wrong, so the argument is yours.
You obviously failed to see the meaning behind the BBC reference. And how don't 'I get' what happened? A rocket came out of Gaza, you're suggesting the media made that up. I'm supplying info based on solid evidence that this happens.

Yes very apparent that I feel Israel can do no wrong, based on, oh, two posts? Strangely these posts outline how deceptive Hamas is and that they are clearly responsible for rocket attacks. From what I've read to seem to think Hamas is some sort of Activity group for young children rather than a murderous and deceptive terrorist cell which has one sole purpose that it wishes to see through, and it ain't the well-being of Palestinians.

Use of the word 'Noob' also gave you concrete credibility I must say.

 

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