Voluntary blanket licensing agreements

2008-04-25 17:28:48

#1

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6869|The Land of Scott Walker

What say you?

http://www.slate.com/id/2189888/&GT1=38001

"Warner Music Group is trying to rally the rest of the industry behind a plan to charge Internet service providers $5 per customer per month, an amount that would be added to your Internet bill. In exchange, music lovers would get all the online tunes they want, meaning that anyone who spends more than $60 a year on music will come out way ahead. Download whatever you want and pay nothing! No more DRM! Swap files to your heart's content—we promise, we won't sue you!"

2008-04-25 17:29:38

#2

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7181|Argentina

Yup.

2008-04-25 17:30:30

#3

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

Fuck no.

Why should I pay to subsidize some cheap asshole's music habit? I'm fine with the radio, thanks.

2008-04-25 17:31:50

#4

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|6385|Washington DC

Depends. Are the files high-quality MP3s? You say DRM free... that better be true. Am I forced to use some proprietary program, or can I keep using bit torrent, limewire etc?

2008-04-25 17:36:41

#5

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6869|The Land of Scott Walker

I'm assuming these would be full quality using whatever program you desire.

2008-04-25 17:37:27

#6

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|6385|Washington DC

Hmm... then I'd probably support it. I actually still buy a lot of music on CDs, because 1) I like having the physical copy, the album art etc 2) I can choose what type of file, what quality to rip it in 3) No DRM

2008-04-25 17:38:48

#7

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6869|The Land of Scott Walker

Same here. I like to support my favorite artists and if I'm bored I stream music off of Pandora.com for a change of pace.

2008-04-25 17:45:13

#8

i g: Banned; +876|6288|GA

not very likely to happen

2008-04-25 17:47:05

#9

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6869|The Land of Scott Walker

I know that, but hypothetically yes or no?

2008-04-25 18:14:50

#10

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6829|North Carolina

That all depends on how much the tax would be...

2008-04-25 19:08:36

#11

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7196|PNW

I download maybe one MP3 every few months. If I like it, I buy the album. If not, it doesn't take up my space very long. The music industry has no business butting into telecommunications when not all customers even use the services they want to surcharge for.

Besides which, Apple would be pissed off.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-25 19:09:31)

2008-04-25 19:45:28

#12

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6946|...

negative.

2008-04-25 19:51:54

#13

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7073

If it's like what they do in Canada, then I'm all for it.

EDIT: There would have to be an assurance that the money went to artists etc.

Last edited by ghettoperson (2008-04-25 19:53:09)

2008-04-25 19:52:43

#14

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

ghettoperson wrote:
If it's like what they do in Canada, then I'm all for it.

How do they do it in Canada?

Do you mean the levy they collect on blank media?

2008-04-25 19:54:03

#15

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7073

SenorToenails wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
If it's like what they do in Canada, then I'm all for it.
How do they do it in Canada?

Do you mean the levy they collect on blank media?

I believe you pay a small tax which is distributed amongst artists and this means that allow downloading of music is legal.

2008-04-25 19:55:56

#16

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

ghettoperson wrote:
I believe you pay a small tax which is distributed amongst artists and this means that allow downloading of music is legal.

Isn't that a tax imposed on legal MP3 purchases?

Canadians may soon pay a small tax on every legal music store download, says a new measure (PDF) sanctioned by the Copyright Board of Canada. Requested by the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN), the tax would apply at least 2.1 cents to every individual song download and 1.5 cents per track for complete albums. Subscription download and streaming services would themselves be charged between 5.7 and 6.8 percent of a user's monthly fees. Minimum fees would also apply for every larger download or subscription.

There is also this, but its old as hell.

Canada's copyright agency has OK'd the downloading of copyrighted music from Peer to Peer networks - for now, at least - slapping a small tax onto MP3 music players. The Copyright Board of Canada declined to extend existing levies on blank audio and CD recordable media to DVD recordables, or to removable memory, such as Compact Flash or MMC cards.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-25 20:01:04)

2008-04-25 20:10:42

#17

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6869|The Land of Scott Walker

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Besides which, Apple would be pissed off.

Yes, but I would enjoy that.

2008-04-25 20:59:20

#18

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|7105|Disaster Free Zone

SenorToenails wrote:
Fuck no.

Why should I pay to subsidize some cheap asshole's music habit? I'm fine with the radio, thanks.

2008-04-25 21:22:37

#19

Hakei: Banned; +295|6419

I'll support a band/artist by paying to see them live, most of my music has been downloaded.

2008-04-25 21:31:06

#20

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7089|NT, like Mick Dundee

Mmm. I wouldn't mind. I download a lot of music. Thing is, some artists need the cash, some really don't at all.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2008-04-25 21:35:11

#21

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

Hakei wrote:
I'll support a band/artist by paying to see them live, most of my music has been downloaded.

You can't kick in $10-$15 for the CD or digital MP3 album download?

Flecco wrote:
Mmm. I wouldn't mind. I download a lot of music. Thing is, some artists need the cash, some really don't at all.

Who are you to say what band does and does not 'need' the money? If you invented some device that made you millions, would you be happy if people violated your patent because they didn't think you needed more money?

2008-04-25 21:37:02

#22

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7089|NT, like Mick Dundee

Toenails, does Britney Spears really need more cash? She's already proven she's not actually mature enough to handle what she has.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2008-04-25 21:37:33

#23

nukchebi0: Пушкин, наше всё; +387|6748|New Haven, CT

I think for the sake of forum peace I'll refrain from arguing in this thread.

Especially because I don't think I'll need to.

SenorToenails wrote:
Hakei wrote:
I'll support a band/artist by paying to see them live, most of my music has been downloaded.
You can't kick in $10-$15 for the CD or digital MP3 album download?

Flecco wrote:
Mmm. I wouldn't mind. I download a lot of music. Thing is, some artists need the cash, some really don't at all.
Who are you to say what band does and does not 'need' the money? If you invented some device that made you millions, would you be happy if people violated your patent because they didn't think you needed more money?

Well said.

2008-04-25 21:42:34

#24

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

Flecco wrote:
Toenails, does Britney Spears really need more cash? She's already proven she's not actually mature enough to handle what she has.

That's not the point at all. The logic you propose is so fundamentally flawed that it's just sad. Maybe you should just be honest and say you are too cheap to actually buy your music?

Apply that same logic to anything else in life. Walmart doesn't need more money, so it would be OK to not pay them. The supermarket doesn't need more money, so it would be OK to not pay them. Similarly, what if your employer decided that you did not need more money? I bet you wouldn't be happy at all.

2008-04-25 21:51:03

#25

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7073

SenorToenails wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
I believe you pay a small tax which is distributed amongst artists and this means that allow downloading of music is legal.
Isn't that a tax imposed on legal MP3 purchases?

Canadians may soon pay a small tax on every legal music store download, says a new measure (PDF) sanctioned by the Copyright Board of Canada. Requested by the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN), the tax would apply at least 2.1 cents to every individual song download and 1.5 cents per track for complete albums. Subscription download and streaming services would themselves be charged between 5.7 and 6.8 percent of a user's monthly fees. Minimum fees would also apply for every larger download or subscription.
There is also this, but its old as hell.

Canada's copyright agency has OK'd the downloading of copyrighted music from Peer to Peer networks - for now, at least - slapping a small tax onto MP3 music players. The Copyright Board of Canada declined to extend existing levies on blank audio and CD recordable media to DVD recordables, or to removable memory, such as Compact Flash or MMC cards.

I think the second one is what I meant. I don't really know the specifics; just that there are rumours on the internets that in Canuckistan you pay a tax; not sure if everyone pays this or just on the purchase of certain products, and this goes to artists and so people can legally download music.

Heck yeah!	44%	44% - 22
No	32%	32% - 16
No, I'm cheap I'd rather use Limewire than pay $5	24%	24% - 12
Total: 50

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