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2006-11-24 11:24:58
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|7069|Warlord

jord wrote:

I'm roughly 50-50 with vehicles,but if they are going to make an infantry only mode they should of made a vehicle only mode.
Er, that wouldn't really be possible; you can't have just vehicles, you need to be able to get in and out etc.

But there is already Armoured Fury for the true lovers of armour and fighting it.


MajorHoulahan_MASH wrote:

Sidenote: i have UNchecked the "no vehicles" in the search filter for multiplay servers; guess what ?
75 %  of the servers that get listed/show are INFANTRY ONLY.
Let's keep the exaggeration in check shall we?

I knew this had to be way off so I checked late last night when I was playing and with IO checked (large maps) there were like 70+ vanilla servers and with it unchecked there were 340+; roughly speaking the same ratio is true for SF. That's hardly 75%... there would have to have been 255 servers running no-vehicle mode for it to have been 75%.

I just checked again and it's 86 - 541 at the moment. That's a lower percentage than last night: only ~16%. So I think it's safe to say that IO isn't exactly taking over the game people.
2006-11-24 12:13:28
bad_mongoloid
Member
+3|7216|New York City
I only play IO because here is no artillery.

Dear DICE/EA, please make it an option to have vehicles but NO artillery. 
2006-11-24 12:13:59
RiceKrispie
Member
+27|6829|Ottawa, ON

DrunkFace wrote:

Its called teamwork. If everyone took it as a priority to destroy armor it wouldn't stand a chance, but most people are too busy whoring points. Even if you can't hurt the tank directly you can throw grenades at supply crates, distract the tank (lead it into an ambush or give someone else enough time shoot it) or just defend the AT soldiers from other infantry so they can concentrate just on the tanks. But thats all too hard for most people, they don't understand its a team game and wont do anything unless they are personally rewarded with points.

RiceKrispie wrote:

Jet vs infantry, fair? Chopper vs infantry? Tank? APC?
No. But they're vehicles for fucks sake, whats the point in a vehicle if it could only kill 1 infantry. They are balanced in game, an organised or even just more then 1 person taking responsibility for destroying vehicles makes them very hard to 'whore' effectively. The only way people can whore is against a mindless rabble that doesn't fire back.
Right. More with the teamwork. You guys are like broken records. Unfortunately DICE's solution to evening up the unbalance between vehicle and no vehicle is to just zerg it. Oh, but only part of the zerg can actually kill the vehicle. Really, everyone cries about how IO mode is ruining the series, but look at the number of useful vehicles that are available on a 64 player server. For a game that is supposed to be vehicle based, only 25% of the players in a game get to use them. The rest spend their time avoiding those 25%. Why not give everyone a vehicle instead? Guess that would be too much work and wouldn't make the vehicle whores feel special anymore though, so that must not be a viable solution.

DrunkFace wrote:

RiceKrispie wrote:

Wake Island, for example, is basically a 4 player map (if even that). 2 PLA pilots and 2 USMC pilots (if they can get off the carrier). Please do explain. Are the rest of the players in the game supposed to be having fun, because that doesn't really seem like the ideal situation to be in to me.
Thats not the vehicles fault its the fact that wake is the worst and most unbalanced of all the BF2 maps. Ohh and how many IO wake games have you played?
Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that those 2 players per team are really only stoppable by the matching 2 from the other team. This isn't 1.2, any pilot wih an IQ over 50 can avoid AA. Next down the list are the choppers. Weak to jets (2), other choppers (1), and more susceptible to AA (pretty much max of 2 that can be in range if the pilot isn't a moron). So that's 5 per team that can take down a chopper. The other 27 people on the team are still just pure fodder. No, don't say AT. Yes we've all seen choppers go down to AT rockets, but if someone was stupid enough to be flying that slowly and that close to the ground, odds are they were going to crash within the next 20 seconds anyway because they don't have a clue how to fly. APC/Tanks? Weak to jets, choppers, ground defense and AT/Spec. So, 5 + whatever number of people are wasting their time playing AT. Spec Ops hasn't been good against vehicles since the C4 throwing nerf. The only time they are going to get a kill is by jihad jeeping, which I fully approve of because it pisses off the armor whores to no end. Anyway, that really just puts us right back in to the armor convoy vs teamwork argument, which has already been done several times, so I'm not going into it again.


DrunkFace wrote:

RiceKrispie wrote:

Any infantry player with a clue learned how to almost completely avoid KILL the vehicle whores long ago.
There I fixed it for you.
Obviously you don't get it. I'm talking about people that want to play infantry vs infantry. The goal of such a plan is to kill infantry, as infantry. Not to play the weakest infantry class in an attempt to devote your time entirely to destroying things that aren't infantry. Way to completely miss the point.
2006-11-25 00:58:56
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7123|Disaster Free Zone

RiceKrispie wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

RiceKrispie wrote:

Any infantry player with a clue learned how to almost completely avoid KILL the vehicle whores long ago.
There I fixed it for you.
Obviously you don't get it. I'm talking about people that want to play infantry vs infantry. The goal of such a plan is to kill infantry, as infantry. Not to play the weakest infantry class in an attempt to devote your time entirely to destroying things that aren't infantry. Way to completely miss the point.
Why the fuck did you buy BF2 if you only wanted infantry v infantry battles?? Thats not what BF is or has ever been and its clearly advertised as such.

RiceKrispie wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

If everyone took it as a priority to destroy armor it wouldn't stand a chance, but most people are too busy whoring points. for most people, they don't understand its a team game and wont do anything unless they are personally rewarded with points.
Right. More with the teamwork. You guys are like broken records. Unfortunately DICE's solution to evening up the unbalance between vehicle and no vehicle is to just zerg it. Oh, but only part of the zerg can actually kill the vehicle. Really, everyone cries about how IO mode is ruining the series, but look at the number of useful vehicles that are available on a 64 player server. For a game that is supposed to be vehicle based, only 25% of the players in a game get to use them. The rest spend their time avoiding those 25%. Why not give everyone a vehicle instead? Guess that would be too much work and wouldn't make the vehicle whores feel special anymore though, so that must not be a viable solution.
You are the exact kind of person I'm talking about, only playing for points and to stubborn to try and attack armor. 14 hours Anti Tank, 283 hours medic, says it all. when you come across armor you either hide or when you do die, instead of spawning as something that can fight back you spawn with your precious medic kit and wonder why tanks are raping your team. You don't need an organised assault (tho it is nice when it happens), just more people taking the responsibility to attack them instead of bitching about them, like you.

RiceKrispie wrote:

So, 5 + whatever number of people are wasting their time playing AT.
After the tank is dead go pick up your old kit or don't you know what the 'g' key is?

RiceKrispie wrote:

Spec Ops hasn't been good against vehicles since the C4 throwing nerf. The only time they are going to get a kill is by jihad jeeping, which I fully approve of because it pisses off the armor whores to no end.
Jihad jeeping = kill tank without any teamwork needed and I fully support people that use the tactic, but again you fail at this too with only 15 hours as spec ops. As for pissing off armor whores.... Its news to me.

RiceKrispie wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

RiceKrispie wrote:

Wake Island, for example, is basically a 4 player map (if even that). 2 PLA pilots and 2 USMC pilots (if they can get off the carrier). Please do explain. Are the rest of the players in the game supposed to be having fun, because that doesn't really seem like the ideal situation to be in to me.
Thats not the vehicles fault its the fact that wake is the worst and most unbalanced of all the BF2 maps. Ohh and how many IO wake games have you played?
Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that those 2 players per team are really only stoppable by the matching 2 from the other team. This isn't 1.2, any pilot wih an IQ over 50 can avoid AA. Next down the list are the choppers. Weak to jets (2), other choppers (1), and more susceptible to AA (pretty much max of 2 that can be in range if the pilot isn't a moron). So that's 5 per team that can take down a chopper. The other 27 people on the team are still just pure fodder.
You either can't read or didn't understand me when I said wake was a shit map. I know there's huge imbalances in not only the teams but the ability to have fun on the map because of these imbalances. I would get rid of the map from BF2, so that people would play some other maps. I'm sick of just seeing karkand and wake 24/7 servers and I'm almost forced to play them because there the only ones with a decent population. But you still didn't answer my question, how many IO wake maps have you played? I'm willing to bet none or less then 3. So is it the vehicles you don't like or the map? Because stop using planes and choppers as excuses for IO when you don't play these maps in IO mode anyway.

RiceKrispie wrote:

Yes we've all seen choppers go down to AT rockets, but if someone was stupid enough to be flying that slowly and that close to the ground, odds are they were going to crash within the next 20 seconds anyway because they don't have a clue how to fly.
Hmmm yes its hard and not really the best method but as to only noob pilots being hit is full of shit. But with less then 5 hours using AT weapon (most probably on karkand) I can see why you can't hit shit.

RiceKrispie wrote:

For a game that is supposed to be vehicle based, only 25% of the players in a game get to use them. The rest spend their time avoiding those 25%. Why not give everyone a vehicle instead? Guess that would be too much work and wouldn't make the vehicle whores feel special anymore though, so that must not be a viable solution.
Firstly the game is not vehicle based, its the interaction between vehicles and infantry which makes it battlefield. Its vehicles give support to ground troops trying to capture territory and infantry defend the important assets which are vehicles. Vehicles are meant to be special and more powerful then your average grunt(the reason for the rarity), but this does not make them invincible killing machines (well maybe the J-10 in a top pilots hand, but thats another issue).
Secondly I would love an all aircraft map (spawn flying) but I can live without it.
2006-11-25 02:46:23
TrueArchon
Enemy Sniper..." *BOOM* "Nevermind... got him...
+61|7036|Las Vegas, NV USA
Personally, I believe that there isn't anything wrong with IO.

Of course, only a 1/5 of my total time has been spent in a vehicle, but it's been that way long before IO made an appearance.

Does that mean I will play IO only from now on?

Nope.

Is it a nice option to have whenever I'm in the mood?

Yep.

Honestly, there really shouldn't be anything to complain about.  If you don't like it, don't join the IO server.

P.S.  Oops.  I do have one problem with IO servers.  Some maps are just too large (like Dalian Plant or Dragon Valley) to be hoofing it from one place to another.  Maybe there should be buggies and/or humvees/vodniks available as well.
2006-11-25 02:57:43
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7158
Lol go play IO on Kubra dam.
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
2006-11-25 03:01:08
Pernicious544
Zee Tank Skank
+80|7142|MoVal So-Cal
I like IO. I want to have sex with it.
2006-11-25 03:07:08
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6961|Adelaide, South Australia

DeathUnlimited wrote:

I am an AK101 whore and I like Normal instead of 'nadefests!!!

explosivo wrote:

dont yous mean nade only?

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

I don't like IO servers and I am not a vehicle whore.
If i wanted IO, i'd go back to MoH and CoD. those games are intended for IO. the entire essence of the Battlefield series was that you could mix infantry and vehicles to introduce a new aspect into shooters. its called 'Strategy'.

'Strategy' is where you find a problem, make a plan, and execute said plan to overcome the problem. this aspect of Battlefield was completely fucked as soon as recorded stats came in. BF2/2142 is all about the ego.

i avoid IO as much as possible. and I'm no vehicle whore.
2006-11-25 03:07:16
RiceKrispie
Member
+27|6829|Ottawa, ON

DrunkFace wrote:

Why the fuck did you buy BF2 if you only wanted infantry v infantry battles?? Thats not what BF is or has ever been and its clearly advertised as such.
I played the demo, then bought the game because I was enjoying it. After a while the novelty of having a few overpowered vehicles for a few people to use wore off and I started enjoying infantry more because it was a level playing ground and a better way to judge progress in skill. Sorry, unlike everyone else my end goal in BF2 isn't to baserape 200 points with a J10 then tell all my friends how cool I am. Maybe next time around I'll be a vehicle whore just to make everyone else happy.

DrunkFace wrote:

You are the exact kind of person I'm talking about, only playing for points and to stubborn to try and attack armor. 14 hours Anti Tank, 283 hours medic, says it all. when you come across armor you either hide or when you do die, instead of spawning as something that can fight back you spawn with your precious medic kit and wonder why tanks are raping your team. You don't need an organised assault (tho it is nice when it happens), just more people taking the responsibility to attack them instead of bitching about them, like you.
Nice, way to repeat what's already been said about four thousand times. Maybe if you say it enough times it will be true. Or not.

DrunkFace wrote:

After the tank is dead go pick up your old kit or don't you know what the 'g' key is?
Wow, thanks for the advice. Maybe later we can go in a server and you can show me how to pick my kit. I always thought it was just random! So yeah, I'll just grab one of those AT kits that are sitting around all over the place. Oh no, guess that's where you say I should spawn as AT instead. Then I'm just playing AT the whole time, which is not what I want to be doing since I want to kill infantry. Fucking idiot, didn't you read anything that I wrote?

DrunkFace wrote:

Jihad jeeping = kill tank without any teamwork needed and I fully support people that use the tactic, but again you fail at this too with only 15 hours as spec ops. As for pissing off armor whores.... Its news to me.
I fail at it? I don't even do it, moron. I said I approve of it, not that I participate. I'm not going to waste my time suiciding to kill a tank, just like I'm not going to waste my time trying to kill one with the peashooter that AT gets. I outscored the tank/apc newbs every round just from combat points alone when I played non-IO servers, so why would I waste time trying to kill 1 armor whore when I could stop a full squad from advancing elsewhere?

DrunkFace wrote:

I'm sick of just seeing karkand and wake 24/7 servers and I'm almost forced to play them because there the only ones with a decent population. But you still didn't answer my question, how many IO wake maps have you played? I'm willing to bet none or less then 3.
You just answered your own question. Pretty retarded to try to bash me for only playing Karkand, but then the next thing you do is complain how Karkand and Wake are the only maps being played. 99% of IO servers are playing Karkand or Jalalabad, so that's what I play. I'm not going to waste my time looking for a server playing something else. None. That's how many Wake IO rounds I've played because I've never seen a server playing it. If it'll make you shut the fuck up, then find me a server and I'll play it.

DrunkFace wrote:

So is it the vehicles you don't like or the map? Because stop using planes and choppers as excuses for IO when you don't play these maps in IO mode anyway.
How many people do you think play anything besides Karkand or Jalalabad in IO mode? Stop being an idiot.

DrunkFace wrote:

Hmmm yes its hard and not really the best method but as to only noob pilots being hit is full of shit. But with less then 5 hours using AT weapon (most probably on karkand) I can see why you can't hit shit.
Yeah, because this is my first account and you know so much about me. I'm sure that the idiots that play AT kit are capable of hitting those spiraling choppers all the time, huh? /sarcasm

DrunkFace wrote:

Firstly the game is not vehicle based, its the interaction between vehicles and infantry which makes it battlefield.
Then maybe they should have put a picture of a J10 raping the fuck out of a carrier on the box instead.
2006-11-25 03:27:02
Richard2000
Banned
+39|6987|England
i bought bf2 for jets and tanks
not to play some shit mod like IO
so to the people who dont like jets and tanks and jeeps
WHY THE FUCK DID U BUY BF2 IN THE FIRST PLACE
BECAUSE YOU ARE NOOBS
2006-11-25 03:39:34
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6961|Adelaide, South Australia

i have put some thought into the matter of IO, and have come up with this:

i will support IO when:

#1: it becomes unranked.

#2: you bring in VO. Vehicles Only, where an insane amount of tanks/APC's spawn so all have a chance. this should be unranked also.

until those criteria are met, IO is for the CS junkies who cant handle a little bit of a challenge.
2006-11-25 03:42:33
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,055|7064|Little Bentcock
Because BF2 was mad for the entire military aspect, not to remake CS
2006-11-25 03:42:48
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7123|Disaster Free Zone

RiceKrispie wrote:

a J10 raping the fuck out of a carrier on the box instead.
You keep bring planes into it yet you never play maps which used to have planes.

Yes I do know everyone plays Karkand and jalalabad IO, so the whole "I'm sick of being bombed" Bull Shit is mute because everyone seems to be happy just playing 2 maps.

Your entire argument for IO comes down to "I'm too much of a medic points whore to be be bothered changing kits to kill the armor so lets just remove it from the game". So all you play IO for is easy points... figures.

PS. If you die jihading you did something wrong.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-11-25 03:46:59)

2006-11-25 04:56:59
RiceKrispie
Member
+27|6829|Ottawa, ON

DrunkFace wrote:

You keep bring planes into it yet you never play maps which used to have planes.

Yes I do know everyone plays Karkand and jalalabad IO, so the whole "I'm sick of being bombed" Bull Shit is mute because everyone seems to be happy just playing 2 maps.
I'm not sick of being bombed. I don't get bombed because I don't play those maps, as you've clearly already pointed out. Like I said though, this isn't my first account. So even though it looks like you can assume I have no idea what goes on outside of Karkand, that's far from the truth. I've played enough of all the other maps to know that I'm just not interested in playing them, jets or not. A few of them might be worth trying if they were being run on a 64 player IO server with 16 player map size to decrease the running that would have to take place between some of the longer gaps between flags, but those servers just don't exist.

DrunkFace wrote:

Your entire argument for IO comes down to "I'm too much of a medic points whore to be be bothered changing kits to kill the armor so lets just remove it from the game". So all you play IO for is easy points... figures.
I scored the same before IO as I do now, makes no difference except that it's more enjoyable. I play medic... wow, imagine that. Someone serious about infantry that plays medic. It's not like anyone would ever play medic in competitive play or anything, right? Here's what happens when I play a kit that isn't medic: kill a few people, get shot up a bit, then run around calling for a medic. Too bad they are all throwing grenades or some other retarded shit. Like 4/5 medic pubbers have a lower IQ than a rock. You can sit beside them spamming for heals and they'll just stand there looking at a wall, then they'll throw a grenade, run out into a road and get shot down. I either have to chase them for a minute and keep putting shots into their back to get their damn attention, or just wait for them to run into a grenade so I can do it myself. Easier just to play medic, especially since the AK is so much fun.
2006-11-25 05:00:05
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6961|Adelaide, South Australia

RiceKrispie wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Your entire argument for IO comes down to "I'm too much of a medic points whore to be be bothered changing kits to kill the armor so lets just remove it from the game". So all you play IO for is easy points... figures.
I scored the same before IO as I do now, makes no difference except that it's more enjoyable. I play medic... wow, imagine that. Someone serious about infantry that plays medic. It's not like anyone would ever play medic in competitive play or anything, right? Here's what happens when I play a kit that isn't medic: kill a few people, get shot up a bit, then run around calling for a medic. Too bad they are all throwing grenades or some other retarded shit. Like 4/5 medic pubbers have a lower IQ than a rock. You can sit beside them spamming for heals and they'll just stand there looking at a wall, then they'll throw a grenade, run out into a road and get shot down. I either have to chase them for a minute and keep putting shots into their back to get their damn attention, or just wait for them to run into a grenade so I can do it myself. Easier just to play medic, especially since the AK is so much fun.
So you play without a squad, then?
2006-11-25 05:45:27
Bidasse_Jason
Member
+5|7184
There have been unranked infantry only servers for ages.
But they are rare because the average player just want points.

You can also find custom maps made for vehicles only.
Or a modified version of a standard map:

https://pix.nofrag.com/c2/4f/1837b370df3c431f499080c35feat.jpg
2006-11-25 05:47:50
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6961|Adelaide, South Australia

Bidasse_Jason wrote:

There have been unranked infantry only servers for ages.
But they are rare because the average player just want points.

You can also find custom maps made for vehicles only.
Or a modified version of a standard map:

http://pix.nofrag.com/c2/4f/1837b370df3 … 35feat.jpg
We mean COMPLETELY unranked, as in absolutely no-one getting points off them.

and the only mod I'm downloading for BF2 is Forgotten Hope 2.
2006-11-25 05:51:34
FrankieSpankie3388
Hockey Nut
+243|6972|Boston, MA
IO is stupid. All you do is run around and shoot other people, you could do that in any FPS. The one thing that makes Battlefield completely different from other games are the vehicles, if you take that away, it's just another random game. Besides, it takes more skill to kill as a ground pounder with tanks and shit shooting at you. Maybe you should learn how to play the Anti-Tank kit and you won't have a problem with vehicles. That's the other thing that sucks about IO, is that it makes half the kits useless.

What I don't understand is why people want to play when EA is basically saying, "OK, here's our idea, we'll take away half the stuff in the game, and people will still like it!" That's why EA walks all over us, because they know idiots won't mind.
2006-11-25 05:54:25
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7107|NT, like Mick Dundee

I want a hack allowing me to take an APC/tank/Attack chopper/transport chopper into an IO server... Just once, please...

Think of the damage....
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2006-11-25 07:40:26
MajorHoulahan_MASH
Member
+31|7164

DrunkFace wrote:

Why the fuck did you buy BF2 if you only wanted infantry v infantry battles?? Thats not what BF is or has ever been and its clearly advertised as such.
Thats exactly the thing i tried to say -with some exagerration indeed - in my previous post(s).

I dont mind a 50-50% balance between Inf Only and  Vehicle-mode servers.
2006-11-25 07:50:39
FrankieSpankie3388
Hockey Nut
+243|6972|Boston, MA
Why is everybody complaing about Wake saying it's unbalanced? I win more than two thirds of the rounds I play there and I play a lot more USMC on that map because of the challenge. All it takes is a little organization and you'll win without a problem. Maybe you should find somebody else to play with and you'll dominate on the ground even with jets and choppers flying around and shit. Here's what I do with my brother.

I'm Anti-Tank and he's engineer. We take a secret route to a specific flag and capture it. Then we capture the next closest flag. If there's infantry, I'll stay in his gunner seat and help him mow people down, if there's a tank or any other vehicle, I'll hop out and help destroy him with my AT rockets. My brother and I could kill a tank in 2 seconds with 2 well placed shots. You just have to keep moving on without slowing down. If his tank is ever damaged we fall back on defense, he hops out and repairs while I hop in for safety. Then I give him the driver's seat again and we go out on our merry little way. I don't even remember the last time I had a ratio below one on the server by the end of the round because of our good teamwork. And we've started rounds 0-8 trying to capture a spot and we still finish somewhere like 20-12. So don't ever say Wake Island is THE most unbalanced map, maybe you should learn how to play it and you'll enjoy the map and kick some ass.
2006-11-25 09:42:37
[Hive]-Twist
Member
+13|6807
Why the fuck did you buy BF2 if you only wanted infantry v infantry battles?? Thats not what BF is or has ever been and its clearly advertised as such.
Many reasons.
1: Easier engine to run, allowing for more people and bigger maps
2: More strats envolved. Medics, Support, etc.
3:Giant city maps. Counterstrike doesn't have city maps as big or as intense for the simple reason that a map of that size would kill our computer because of the source engine.
4:Ranks, Awards, Ribbons
5:Rounds that don't last 2 minutes

I could go on; you get the drift. Css doesnt have Ghost Town, Warlord, Karkand or Jalalabad. Css has dust2, contra, mill, fire...pfft.
2006-11-25 10:00:29
FrankieSpankie3388
Hockey Nut
+243|6972|Boston, MA
Seriusly dude, who plays CounterStrike anymore? It died back with 1.4. Ever since then, the game is just trash.
2006-11-25 10:07:31
[Hive]-Twist
Member
+13|6807

FrankieSpankie3388 wrote:

Seriusly dude, who plays CounterStrike anymore? It died back with 1.4. Ever since then, the game is just trash.
...WHo plays? Well, everyone in CAL-O, CAL-M and CAL-i. Also everyone in CPL.
2006-11-25 10:13:00
Des.Kmal
Member
+917|7060|Atlanta, Georgia, USA

[Hive]-Twist wrote:

I love IO. Being a counterstrike source player, I always preffered the shooting aspect of BF2. Sure, some servers are fun, but I really don't like having to deal with jets bombing everyone, or tanks raping everyone or artillery falling on everyone...I play IO because you need to have good aim, good reaction (Able to whip around and shoot the guy b ehind you) and know how to use your weapons. I've noticed that most anti-IO people are ones that either a.Whore tanks b. Whore jets c.Whore helis. I don't deny that it takes skill and you must learn to use it well- but a little infantry has no defence against such.

To be brief; why the hate for IO? I don't insult people that play vehicles; it's their choice. (Isn't CAL/TWL infantry anyway? Not sure on this one)
or you could just dolphin dive and say ur a good player.

... or glitch.
Add me on Origin for Battlefield 4 fun: DesKmal

 

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