Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7220|Noizyland

I'd be much obliged if you read this, however it is a rather long rant, (if you're going to rant then do it properly I say,) so I don't expect many people to.

A post which r2zoo wrote in a thread discussing the possibility of Battlefield 4, (or whatever they decide to call it,) got me thinking. And ranting.

This has been my first thread on the game Battlefield 2 for a very long time. Sure I have posted in threads regarding the game but normally only offering help or advise to people who come to this site seeking help. Honestly the game bores me. I have been here a long time, longer than most but not as long as some others, (of course.) I am a Moderator on a site which was initially, (and still is to most people's opinion,) dedicated to BF2 statistics - what did you think the 's' stood for, (don't say "Search" that was my joke, I just let you use it sometimes.) Yet thanks to r2zoo's post, (and my own opinion which has been formulating for a while,) I have realised that it is not hackers or bugs or EA or ANYTHING like that which makes BF2 less enjoyable, it is statistics.

I propose that EA immediately promote everyone to the highest rank, give everyone all unlocks, even all awards, (although that is not necessary, I think randomly distributing them for no reason in game would be a better plan.) Eliminate stats like accuracy, favourite weapon/map/kit, EVERYTHING! It is ruining this game!
This proposal WILL eliminate all the game's problems. Glitchers will not glitch. I know for a fact that hanging around in an off limits, (and physically impossible,) small area in a computer game sometimes shooting sitting-duck targets is not fun. People do it to improve their statistics. It will eliminate padders. If there are no stats then there is nothing to pad. Simple.
It will eliminate those people who spend all their time sitting in a tank blowing people away as they spawn near the Karkand Hotel. Why?

I wrote:

It's certianly not fun, it's like watching an incredibly static TV show as you try in vain to switch channels. How fucking dull.
The culprit again is statistics.

People are playing the game for a purpose in which games are not intended. Games are for fun, yet the people who do these things which annoy everyone are not having fun, nor are they making it fun for those they kill for their precious statistics.

My next point regards the importance of the statistics. It is honesty time. I have never EVER looked at any of your stats, at least not thorougly. I don't think I've looked past your rank. I havn't even looked at my statistics for a good few months because thankfully I stopped caring a long time ago.
I don't think I'm alone in this. I'm sure you've never looked at my stats. I'm sure you don't care about other people's stats either. Hell, who gives a shit right?
Okay this taken into account, why do people care about their own stats so much as to ruin their game and everyon else's?? No one looks at them so who cares? Should you? NO!
This logic dosn't penetrate some people, which can be understandable - people with low self esteems like to have a bigger number than the other guy, (or smaller, whatever,) which is why EA need to help me in my mission to rid the Battlefield series of statistics.  It is the only way to cure the incurable, (oxymoron I know, I don't give a fuck, this is a rant remember?)

How many times have you resisted firing your gun wildly into the air for fun because you're worried about your accuracy going down? When have you turned down a knife fight because you don't want to add one insignificant death to your score? The list goes on, I can safely assume most if not ALL of you can answer in the affirmative to all of these possible questions, Hell, I bet I can.

This is not foolproof, and God knows Battlefield 2, (and 2142,) has it's fair share of fools, especially those who will use bugs glitches hacks whatever just because they're bored - there is no cure for these people. Still, I positivly know that the removal of statistics would help BIG TIME.

Statistics were fun in the beginning. Without them this site would most likely not exist. However the incredibly consise statistic system means that only the very few of players can just play the game to the best of their ability and have fun. The majority however pay for stats, and either use stupoid means to achieve good stats or get pissed off every time they have a 'bad stat day', (as a moderator here I know countless occurences of angry angry people for the sole reason that they had one of these days.) Without them, sure people would have a day or two in which they sucked at playing, but it wouldn't be a big deal, and I wouldn't have to close their needlessly angry threads.
I am saying that the satistics system is what is causing:
- Hackers
- Glitchers
- Padders
- Campers
- Complainers, (and thus complainers-about-complainers.)
- Threads on 'this veichle/weapon is too powerful.'
- The changes in the game which has introduced new bugs
- Threads on "Which gun should I unlock next" as well as "What gun is better?", "OMG look at this padder" and other such threads.

My point is since most people cannot ignore their statistics they play the game for their meaningless stats instead of for fun. The only way of curing the multiple problems which arise from this is to remove them entirely. Opinions? Insults? Rebutals?

If you read all this I take my hat off to you. Thank you.

- Ty.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7166|California

Ty wrote:

*snip*

*snip*

edit: Crysis looks much better, I will probably play that for a while with Stryyker.

*snip*

*snip*
Is that the gist of this?


edit: laments terms, yes.

Last edited by stryyker (2006-12-03 01:27:41)

kajukenbo_kid
Member
+36|6861|...
Very good point, I have thought about this much myself, nice to know someone else feels the same way.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7220|Noizyland

Tyler, you're a dick dude, I put a lot of work into that, but I still agree with you.
I hate you. I really really hate you.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
التعريفات
Squiggles
+102|6814|Cali

Ty wrote:

If you read all this I take my hat off to you. Thank you.
- Ty.
Thanks. +1 for your point
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7166|California

Ty wrote:

You're a dick dude, I put a lot of work into that, but I still agree with you.
I hate you. I really really hate you.
Welcome to the Realm of the Living.
chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7294|"Frisco"

Stats and awards are not only not going away, but they are going to become a larger and more integral part of PC gaming in the very near future. Look at how successful they make a game, causing the extension (and thus profitability) of a title for longer than otherwise. Look at the success and draw to 'awards' and such that has driven some amazing results on the XBox360 console.

While I don't disagree that the removal of these things WOULD help to alleviate a large portion of the problem with glitching, hacking, and probably all "padding", I don't think it's going to be a solution considered.
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|7073|UK

Ty wrote:

How many times have you resisted firing your gun wildly into the air for fun because you're worried about your accuracy going down? When have you turned down a knife fight because you don't want to add one insignificant death to your score? The list goes on, I can safely assume most if not ALL of you can answer in the affirmative to all of these possible questions, Hell, I bet I can.
lol, yep

However, I still manage to have fun. When you play in a clan or just with people you know I find it is much better. I forget about stats and just have fun.
chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7294|"Frisco"

p.s., Crysis is going to fucking rock my socks -- I'd move to whatever country they are in if they'd let me do up a stats system for them. *drools*
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7166|California

chuyskywalker wrote:

p.s., Crysis is going to fucking rock my socks -- I'd move to whatever country they are in if they'd let me do up a stats system for them. *drools*
lol @ derail.

Look at how successful they make a game, causing the extension (and thus profitability) of a title for longer than otherwise. Look at the success and draw to 'awards' and such that has driven some amazing results on the XBox360 console.
/wrists for Xbox live

They should just makes stats a for-your-eyes thing only. Only you see them, only you care about them.


And then Crytek sends me a free copy of crysis and a 8800GTX. And a soda.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7220|Noizyland

chuyskywalker wrote:

Stats and awards are not only not going away, but they are going to become a larger and more integral part of PC gaming in the very near future. Look at how successful they make a game, causing the extension (and thus profitability) of a title for longer than otherwise. Look at the success and draw to 'awards' and such that has driven some amazing results on the XBox360 console.

While I don't disagree that the removal of these things WOULD help to alleviate a large portion of the problem with glitching, hacking, and probably all "padding", I don't think it's going to be a solution considered.
I know, it started with the stat system in gameboy "Pokemon" which showed that it does make a game/franhise popular. Dammit it's true that all problems in the world cn be traced back to Pokemon.

I don't think it will be considered either, but wouldn't it be nice?
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|7073|UK

Ty wrote:

Statistics were fun in the beginning. Without them this site would most likely not exist. However the incredibly consise statistic system means that only the very few of players can just play the game to the best of their ability and have fun. The majority however pay for stats, and either use stupoid means to achieve good stats or get pissed off every time they have a 'bad stat day', (as a moderator here I know countless occurences of angry angry people for the sole reason that they had one of these days.) Without them, sure people would have a day or two in which they sucked at playing, but it wouldn't be a big deal, and I wouldn't have to close their needlessly angry threads.
I am saying that the satistics system is what is causing:
- Hackers
- Glitchers
- Padders
- Campers
- Complainers, (and thus complainers-about-complainers.)
- Threads on 'this veichle/weapon is too powerful.'
- The changes in the game which has introduced new bugs
- Threads on "Which gun should I unlock next" as well as "What gun is better?", "OMG look at this padder" and other such threads.
Or to reword:

If there were no stats then people would not care about what they did ingame... Such as tk's

meh
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7162
Stats are life. THE STATS MUST FLOW.
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stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7166|California

i dont even need to check my PMs to know what is there. Thank you Ty

on topic:

Stats were a good novelty in June of last year. I was a leet corporal for a time, then Gunny, then the fucking bird (leet). Its all worn off now, though. Its just e-penis from there on out.

Last edited by stryyker (2006-12-03 01:43:54)

BabySpinach
Phone Spammer
+207|7037|Charlottesville, Virginia, USA

Ty wrote:

chuyskywalker wrote:

Stats and awards are not only not going away, but they are going to become a larger and more integral part of PC gaming in the very near future. Look at how successful they make a game, causing the extension (and thus profitability) of a title for longer than otherwise. Look at the success and draw to 'awards' and such that has driven some amazing results on the XBox360 console.

While I don't disagree that the removal of these things WOULD help to alleviate a large portion of the problem with glitching, hacking, and probably all "padding", I don't think it's going to be a solution considered.
I know, it started with the stat system in gameboy "Pokemon" which showed that it does make a game/franhise popular. Dammit it's true that all problems in the world cn be traced back to Pokemon.

I don't think it will be considered either, but wouldn't it be nice?
Don't make me get Patton!!
Tjasso
the "Commander"
+102|6969|the Netherlands
back in the days of 1942 and BF vietnam there where no stats ... gameplay was FUN
i do agree that without them the goal of the game would be more focused on the battle instead of statistics But...
it does add a little competition to it i guess ... hearing the drums when you get promoted or awarded is satisfying :)Still it is hard to find a good server these days that really gives the spirit of Battlefield these days ,having stupid rules that dont make sense ... etc etc , nade throwing festival ,Hate it !
I only look at my own statst and dont bother other peoples statst unless i have played with them earlier or the player is a regular like myself and my buddies ofcourse ...
i willl come back later on ... goodgame ya all
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7166|California

There was an interview with the DICE corporate offices like 2 years ago regarding the project.

I believe he said something like "We are integrating BF2 with a persistent stat-tracking system"

followed by "Some gameplay sacrifices had to be made to make this large scale tracking possible"
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7099
people love crap like statistics. Just look at how many people play WoW with all its levels and magical crap that simply lets you get better over time instead of with practice.
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Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7178|St. Andrews / Oslo

I have to admit... I loved awards. I loved my rank. I was running around the house when I got my Purple Heart. It sounded leet. I hated counter-strike. Why? Because it was the same thing over and over. Killing infantry - Bang, bang, bang. No awards to aim for, no ranks, no nothing. I've started to play it a lot more now, and I love it. Unfortunately, the HLStats are getting more and more detailed, and I type "place" or "rank" in the ingame chat waaaay to often. It's just interesting to see how you are ranked on teh server.

I just hop cs stats don't become as complex as the ones from BF2

In BF2142, I just go for the ranks, but I am having way more fun. Points = ranks = unlocks which is what I go for in that game... Unlike a mexican guy I know who gets nerdgasms over online bling...
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pj666
Member
+16|6811|Sydney, Australia
Statistics are what drags BF2 down, and makes it so great.
Like anything in life, it is a 2 edged sword.
All the guys I know who love BF2 do for 2 reasons, it is a good game, and you can analyse and compare how well you play (allegedly). I like looking at my stats sometimes to check I had a good or a bad game, because sometimes you aren't sure. Sometimes you get a surprise. It also helps highlight elements of your game to work on.
Just look at baseball, NBA, etc. Guys love analysing the stats of games and players, and argue about who was best and what stat means what.
I loved Halo, but it had nothing on BF2 due in part to the stats (course the variety of kits, maps and vehicles is also better).
Liquidator had a good point. The minus points for TKs are a big disincentive. Some fools do it anyway, like TKing for choppers because they figure they'll make more than enough points to balance it out.  I hate TKing just because it means I stuffed up, plus weakening my own side and being a waste of a ticket. Losing points really rubs it in.
Chuyskywalker is probably right, the stats are likely to be the core of on line gaming from now on.
I suspect if Dice and EA were a bit more vigilant, and 9 year old admins didn't kick people they didn't like, it wouldn't be so bad ...
It sucks. Damned if I know how to fix it.
But a good post. (light applause)
Towelly
It's A State Of Mind
+399|7037|Your attic

BabySpinach wrote:

Ty wrote:

I know, it started with the stat system in gameboy "Pokemon" which showed that it does make a game/franhise popular. Dammit it's true that all problems in the world cn be traced back to Pokemon.

I don't think it will be considered either, but wouldn't it be nice?
Don't make me get Patton!!
Much laughs


Still, having read the whole thing (honest) I have little else to add, I would say that stats are not the root of all evil, persistence within a game is nice. As Jens has just said it's a nice feeling to gain a new award or a new rank, however the amount of things that are tracked in the game make people start becoming obsessed, as well as this the culture of comparing yourself to others through stats is awful. This is best (or worst really) shown in the "Rate the stats above thread", as far as I am concerned, and it seems others agree, that thread is an example is to what is wrong with this game.

Anyway, before I go typing a rant of equal proportions to yours Ty, I'll just say nice job and have my daily shiny (2 inch stack?) +1
De_Jappe
Triarii
+432|6973|Belgium

Although I agree partly, you DO know that you can play on unranked servers, right? Problem basicly solved!
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7162

De_Jappe wrote:

Although I agree partly, you DO know that you can play on unranked servers, right? Problem basicly solved!
And how many unranked servers are there that are populated?
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Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7178|St. Andrews / Oslo

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

De_Jappe wrote:

Although I agree partly, you DO know that you can play on unranked servers, right? Problem basicly solved!
And how many unranked servers are there that are populated?
1 WAIB server... 24/7 16 player Karkand..

It's a lot of fun, don't get me wrong, but same map, same size, same players every day gets kinda... Boring

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kylef
Gone
+1,352|6939|N. Ireland
One of the reasons I bought Battlefield 2 was for the vehicles as I was a CSS whore. But I love the statistics. The thrill of trying to get 40 kills in a round etc.

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