Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
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Vilham wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

What rediculous claim? Did you even read his post?
Pollux its called an incinuation...
I think BolvisOculus described your posting habits best:

BolvisOculus wrote:

You know, every time you post, it's something negative.  Every time I see your name, it's bitching.
Sydney
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M1A3 should have afterburners
kr@cker
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"sir we're out of ammo!!"
     
          "dammit, load the boiling tea!!!"
usmarine2007
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Leopard II or Merkava4 would be my choice Mr. Vilham, so quit your crying.
Vilham
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Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

What rediculous claim? Did you even read his post?
Pollux its called an incinuation...
I think BolvisOculus described your posting habits best:

BolvisOculus wrote:

You know, every time you post, it's something negative.  Every time I see your name, it's bitching.
So you don't know what debating is? Guess not. Tbh you are the one user of this forum who quite literally contributes in no serious way what so ever.
Vilham
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kr@cker wrote:

"sir we're out of ammo!!"
     
          "dammit, load the boiling tea!!!"
Where as in the Abrams...

"boss we're out of ammo!!"

"o crap, load the burgers!!!"
TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
+412|7042|Mhz

lol Jeremy Clarkson is indeed a legend, and if something is shit he'll tell you it's shit, in as many ways and using as many words as possible lol. The Top Gear thing I posted was just for a laugh but it does point out a few of the Challengers good points.

On another note, stop going on about the M1 seeing more action thus making it better, that argument doesn't actually make sense it just means your government is more than willing to throw billions of dollars worth of military equipment into whatever fight is popular that day.

Just coz there's more of them or they've been used more doesn't make the engineering or technology alter in any way at all.
Vilham
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Leopard II or Merkava4 would be my choice Mr. Vilham, so quit your crying.
Seriously, we have shown the videos, we have shown the stats, we have shown the battle history.

It's about time you accept that America doesn't own the best of everything, the Challenger 2 is a better tank.
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6941|Adelaide, South Australia

Vilham wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

"sir we're out of ammo!!"
     
          "dammit, load the boiling tea!!!"
Where as in the Abrams...

"boss we're out of ammo!!"

"o crap, load the burgers!!!"


Match Point, Vilham!

sorry mate, he gotcha there

Last edited by Fenris_GreyClaw (2006-12-06 06:54:20)

the_outsider38
Microsoft Poster Child
+83|7116|Vancouver BC Canada

PBAsydney wrote:

M1A3 should have afterburners
Cool, well not really

Unfortuantly thats not how the jet engines function in the tank. Could you imagine, flying tanks? Who needs bridges...

This thread is starting to go to hell. Oh well, over to the destroyer thread, then maybe onto the jet fighter thread.
Vilham
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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

lol Jeremy Clarkson is indeed a legend, and if something is shit he'll tell you it's shit, in as many ways and using as many words as possible lol. The Top Gear thing I posted was just for a laugh but it does point out a few of the Challengers good points.

On another note, stop going on about the M1 seeing more action thus making it better, that argument doesn't actually make sense it just means your government is more than willing to throw billions of dollars worth of military equipment into whatever fight is popular that day.

Just coz there's more of them or they've been used more doesn't make the engineering or technology alter in any way at all.
Exactly, its like saying a bullet is more effective than a nuke because its more numerous and has seen more combat.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6789|Columbus, Ohio

Vilham wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Leopard II or Merkava4 would be my choice Mr. Vilham, so quit your crying.
Seriously, we have shown the videos, we have shown the stats, we have shown the battle history.

It's about time you accept that America doesn't own the best of everything, the Challenger 2 is a better tank.
Ummm...those are not American tanks.

And BTW, you all must be right I guess.  I mean, what would I know, my job in the Marines was Anti-Tank, so I have no idea what I am saying.

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2006-12-06 06:50:17)

Sydney
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+783|7265|Reykjavík, Iceland.
What about the T-95 / Black Eagle? They are  supposed to be all super fancy but nobody knows anything about them.

Last edited by PBAsydney (2006-12-06 06:53:18)

TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
+412|7042|Mhz

Could you imagine, flying tanks?
https://totalbf2142.com/images/vehicles/nekomata_thumb.jpg

I hope it never happens TBH lol.
Cybargs
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Leopard II or Merkava4 would be my choice Mr. Vilham, so quit your crying.
Merkava to me is more of a hybrid of APC and tank. Still pwnage how the crew can get out.
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
Vilham
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Leopard II or Merkava4 would be my choice Mr. Vilham, so quit your crying.
Seriously, we have shown the videos, we have shown the stats, we have shown the battle history.

It's about time you accept that America doesn't own the best of everything, the Challenger 2 is a better tank.
Ummm...those are not American tanks.

And BTW, you all must be right I guess.  I mean, what would I know, my job in the Marines was Anti-Tank, so I have no idea what I am saying.
Sorry my bad... it wasn't you claim the abrams was better, however you havent read the first 7 pages as you stated and thus cant see that the challenger is the best.

Last edited by Vilham (2006-12-06 06:56:07)

usmarine2007
Banned
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Vilham wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Vilham wrote:


Seriously, we have shown the videos, we have shown the stats, we have shown the battle history.

It's about time you accept that America doesn't own the best of everything, the Challenger 2 is a better tank.
Ummm...those are not American tanks.

And BTW, you all must be right I guess.  I mean, what would I know, my job in the Marines was Anti-Tank, so I have no idea what I am saying.
You have only just changed your mind... throughtout this whole thread you have been trying to claim the Abrams is better than the Challenger 2. Clearly you don't know too much if you claim a tank that can be taken out by one RPG-7 is better than a tank that can take 8 RPG-7's and an Anti-tank missle and still be mobile.
I say the M1 because it has a very good battle record.  But, if I had to sit my ass down in one and go to battle, it would be the Lep or Merk.
Cybargs
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+2,285|7138

Vilham wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Vilham wrote:


Seriously, we have shown the videos, we have shown the stats, we have shown the battle history.

It's about time you accept that America doesn't own the best of everything, the Challenger 2 is a better tank.
Ummm...those are not American tanks.

And BTW, you all must be right I guess.  I mean, what would I know, my job in the Marines was Anti-Tank, so I have no idea what I am saying.
You have only just changed your mind... throughtout this whole thread you have been trying to claim the Abrams is better than the Challenger 2. Clearly you don't know too much if you claim a tank that can be taken out by one RPG-7 is better than a tank that can take 8 RPG-7's and an Anti-tank missle and still be mobile.
Since when does the abrams break down from one RPG?
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kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
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Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

Vilham wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

"sir we're out of ammo!!"
     
          "dammit, load the boiling tea!!!"
Where as in the Abrams...

"boss we're out of ammo!!"

"o crap, load the burgers!!!"


Match Point, Vilham!

sorry mate, he gotcha there
silly, that exhaust grid on the abrams is for seering steaks
Vilham
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"Some were disabled by Iraqi infantrymen in ambushes employing short-range antitank rockets, such as the Russian RPG-7, during the 2003 invasion. "
kr@cker
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


Ummm...those are not American tanks.

And BTW, you all must be right I guess.  I mean, what would I know, my job in the Marines was Anti-Tank, so I have no idea what I am saying.
You have only just changed your mind... throughtout this whole thread you have been trying to claim the Abrams is better than the Challenger 2. Clearly you don't know too much if you claim a tank that can be taken out by one RPG-7 is better than a tank that can take 8 RPG-7's and an Anti-tank missle and still be mobile.
I say the M1 because it has a very good battle record.  But, if I had to sit my ass down in one and go to battle, it would be the Lep or Merk.
definitely merk in that case, i wanna exit through the "butt hatch"
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
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Vilham wrote:

"Some were disabled by Iraqi infantrymen in ambushes employing short-range antitank rockets, such as the Russian RPG-7, during the 2003 invasion. "
by hitting the treads, in the vid you posted, didn't the challenger driver say his treads came off? i think that's an example of "disabled"
Vilham
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"During an early attack on Baghdad, one M1A1 was disabled by a recoiless rifle round that had penetrated the rear engine housing, and punctured a hole in the right rear fuel cell, causing fuel to leak onto the hot turbine engine. After repeated attempts to extinguish the fire, the decision was made to destroy or remove any sensitive equipment. Oil and .50 caliber rounds were scattered in the interior, the ammunition doors were opened and several thermite grenades ignited inside. Another M1 then fired a HEAT round in order to ensure the destruction of the disabled tank. Unfortunately, the tank was completely disabled but still intact. Later, an AGM-65 Maverick was fired into the tank to finish its destruction. Ironically the tank still appeared to be intact from the exterior."
"Some were disabled by Iraqi infantrymen in ambushes employing short-range antitank rockets, such as the Russian RPG-7, during the 2003 invasion. This damage usually corresponds to the tracks of the Abrams. Another one was put out of action when heavy machine gun rounds struck fuel stowed in an external rack, starting a fire that spread to the engine."

Those are the whole quotes. As you can see its armour isnt that strong as it was pierced in the rear by an anti tank rifle.
Vilham
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kr@cker wrote:

Vilham wrote:

"Some were disabled by Iraqi infantrymen in ambushes employing short-range antitank rockets, such as the Russian RPG-7, during the 2003 invasion. "
by hitting the treads, in the vid you posted, didn't the challenger driver say his treads came off? i think that's an example of "disabled"
The specific M1 incident im talking about that I can't find, it was posted a few pages back actually killed the whole crew.

Anyway as fun as this discussion has been, im off skiing, ill respond to any posts later.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
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disabled /= destroyed

re read # 223

"Another M1 then fired a HEAT round in order to ensure the destruction of the disabled tank. Unfortunately, the tank was completely disabled but still intact"

sounds like tough shit to me, has a challenger been hit in the rear with an anti-material rifle?

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