I say we should bring back public execution, hang the first bastard that does something as little as stealing a purse and hang him from a light pole downtown and tell ya what people would think twice before they do their bullshit.
Poll
Should the death penalty be banned
| Yes. Who are we to judge | 20% | 20% - 53 | ||||
| No. You get what you deserve | 70% | 70% - 184 | ||||
| Undecided. Still thinking on that one | 9% | 9% - 24 | ||||
| Total: 261 | ||||||
If he's a killer the who cares how long he took to die. Prisoners already have far too many rights on the inside, & have it way too cushy with books, tv, outside time. Screw that, in the cell for the duration.
I can live with that... because believe me... you wouldn't want to have to pay for a system to support all the additional children that would be put up for adoption otherwise....unnamednewbie13 wrote:
So long as abortion is morally acceptable, so should execution remain.jonsimon wrote:
Sick people, does anyone understand what it means to be cultured or moral anymore?
I hold an associates degree in criminal justice, was a sheriffs deputy in FL for 6 yrs, got my law degree (although I practice civil law). I say this so people will know that even someone that knows the inner workings of our justice and corrections system, I see many major flaws. I do believe in the death penalty, but hold little faith in the systems in place as of now. We need major reform, not only for the death penalty, but in our correction facilities and policies in general.
He said he was shooting at her back tire. She drives an SUV. He was in a sedan. So the gun was pointed up not down. Accidental? Dunno. Even if he meant to shoot her, I know its not Murder 1 as far as the law goes. That's why the jury is supposed to be impartial.Elamdri wrote:
While that story sort of confuses me (Did he accidentally shoot her?), its only Murder 2, possibly Man 1.Pug wrote:
2) I would if I knew the victim. And then there would be therapy...but it would be a lot less therapy then the other way around, with no sense of closure. I know the families of two victims. The only one I'm going to talk about is:
My friend was driving drunk. Scrapes another car. The man gets out and yells at her. She flees the scene. He chases her down. According to his lawyer, he tries to shoot her tires out. They found his prints on her car door. His lawyer said he got scared and fled the scene. So she drowned when her lungs filled with blood. Had the a-hole called the ambulance, she might have lived. Instead, it took about 45 minutes.
Doesn't merit the death penalty.
But I knew the family - it was an angry wake. And the trial really was painful.
She was a happy hour buddy which meant every Friday after work. I knew her from college. I played golf with her Pop, had dinner at their house many times, and her brother was pretty cool...I knew her family for like seven or eight years, so her Mom would call me from time to time "I need you to be at the trial tomorrow...the defense is going to cross examine....show of support...etc"....They were bitter at hell. The guy got 10 years, and was out in 4 (I think). Pretty much after she died, I kind of went my own way - it was too painful to relive that crap every time I saw them. I hang out with her brother still, but not as often as before...inevitably we end up talking about her and get depressed.
So put yourself in that situation - you are her Mom or Dad. Someone who is aiming at a SUV's rear tire at a red light accidentally shoots the driver through the door, then goes up to the car door, sees the damage, flees the scene, and your daughter dies 45 minutes later. Would you think a 10 years is enough?
I'm christian and I say YES to the death penalty, why should our money be used to keep serial killers in warm beds, to give them hot meals, etc? I say fry the bastards, they get what they deserve, IMO rapists and child molesters should be put to death too.[pt] KEIOS wrote:
and is it worth the death of innocent, to get some kind of revenge on murderers? isn´t it murder, too?RicardoBlanco wrote:
making sure the guy you kill is actually guilty. 100% certainty is hard to prove.
you can prevent serial killers, from doing it again, by not releasing them anymore.
death penalty is a relict from the last century. get civilized and ban it! lock them up in jail, but let them live, because (for all christians) only he, who gave live, shall take it...
Hell yeah they should feel pain, they should suffer the way his victims felt, why keep them alive? They have no use for society, they are a hazard to everyone, they're taking money from the tax payers if they're still alive and in prison. I say kill them all and let God sort them out. Everyone who says the death penalty is inhumane is because you've never had the pain of losing someone close to you to a fucking murderer, when you do (and I hope you don't lose anyone because it's extremelly painful), come back and give your opinion, if you have lost someone to a murderer and still think the death penalty is wrong then WTF is wrong with you???fadedsteve wrote:
If the death penalty were hanging or death by firing squad then I would totally support it. However, it is done in my state(California) by lethal injection. Lethal injection costs a lot more than a rope or a bullet, so I dont understand why those have been put aside (as a means of execution). I find lethal injection a total "cop out", the inmate is essentially sedated and killed, they feel no pain. . . . to me that is not justice!
You murder people, you deserve to feel the pain of a bullet or the snapping of your neck!!! Sorry if you think thats inhumane, I dont give a shit! Inhumane things happen all the time in this world we live in, and no one does shit about it!! If a convicted serial murderer feels pain, I say GOOD!! Fuck him/her, they shouldnt be killing people in the first place, and should feel a similar pain as their victims!!!
lol @ religionGATOR591957 wrote:
6. Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).
7. Fortune telling and practicing sorcery (Lev 20:27)
I think it is fully possible for a killer or rapist to be rehabilitated. People DO deserve a second chance IF, and that's a big IF, they show they will not do it again.
Except in extreme cases, IMO it should be a long prison sentence+rehab for "first offence". You do the same thing, or something equally heinous, and you burn your bridges.
Except in extreme cases, IMO it should be a long prison sentence+rehab for "first offence". You do the same thing, or something equally heinous, and you burn your bridges.
What do you think Jesus thinks about your opinion?|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
I'm christian and I say YES to the death penalty
I say fry the bastards, they get what they deserve
I suppose I am for the death penalty, and I say suppose because I think rotting in prison may be worse than just getting to end it sooner. Death looks like an easy way out to me. Violent criminal offenders deserve any punishment, especially sex offenders. Sex offenders are the scum of the earth, and I will go one step further for those sick fucks, yeah torture son. - "I would take their nuts and lay em out, and bang them shits with a spiked bat BLAOWWWWW. Take a coat hanger and leave that shit on the stove for like a half hour, then stick that shit in their ass all slow like TSSSSSSSSSS!!!!" (THE WU 36 CHAMBERS)
I believe in a eye for an eye system. So if you take a life from somebody, yours should be taken.
You dont have to steal a car, you just have to get three felonies.Jenkinsbball wrote:
Yeah, the three strikes rule is lame. Steal 3 cars and get caught each time = 25 years in jail? Pretty excessive if you ask me.silo1180 wrote:
Prison time = tax dollars. And our prisons are over-populated as it is. They also need to make our prisons harder so people stop going back.[pt] KEIOS wrote:
and is it worth the death of innocent, to get some kind of revenge on murderers? isn´t it murder, too?
you can prevent serial killers, from doing it again, by not releasing them anymore.
death penalty is a relict from the last century. get civilized and ban it! lock them up in jail, but let them live, because (for all christians) only he, who gave live, shall take it...
If there were a way for proving 100% that someone were guilty of murder, I think they should be executed for it. I know there are currently flaws in even our DNA evidence, but we are getting there. And none of this 3 strike stuff anymore... you didn't learn the first two times.
Take a life, lose a life.
With regard to the convicted killer the medical examiner reported that the needle missed the vein so whoever gave him the injection wanted him to suffer. Remember that scene in The Green Mile with the electric chair? ......
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Yeah, thats pretty sad, sorry to hear that. Honestly, simply from the number of laws he had just broken, he probably should have gotten 20 years minumum. Just curious, but what did the jury convict him of?Pug wrote:
He said he was shooting at her back tire. She drives an SUV. He was in a sedan. So the gun was pointed up not down. Accidental? Dunno. Even if he meant to shoot her, I know its not Murder 1 as far as the law goes. That's why the jury is supposed to be impartial.Elamdri wrote:
While that story sort of confuses me (Did he accidentally shoot her?), its only Murder 2, possibly Man 1.Pug wrote:
2) I would if I knew the victim. And then there would be therapy...but it would be a lot less therapy then the other way around, with no sense of closure. I know the families of two victims. The only one I'm going to talk about is:
My friend was driving drunk. Scrapes another car. The man gets out and yells at her. She flees the scene. He chases her down. According to his lawyer, he tries to shoot her tires out. They found his prints on her car door. His lawyer said he got scared and fled the scene. So she drowned when her lungs filled with blood. Had the a-hole called the ambulance, she might have lived. Instead, it took about 45 minutes.
Doesn't merit the death penalty.
But I knew the family - it was an angry wake. And the trial really was painful.
She was a happy hour buddy which meant every Friday after work. I knew her from college. I played golf with her Pop, had dinner at their house many times, and her brother was pretty cool...I knew her family for like seven or eight years, so her Mom would call me from time to time "I need you to be at the trial tomorrow...the defense is going to cross examine....show of support...etc"....They were bitter at hell. The guy got 10 years, and was out in 4 (I think). Pretty much after she died, I kind of went my own way - it was too painful to relive that crap every time I saw them. I hang out with her brother still, but not as often as before...inevitably we end up talking about her and get depressed.
So put yourself in that situation - you are her Mom or Dad. Someone who is aiming at a SUV's rear tire at a red light accidentally shoots the driver through the door, then goes up to the car door, sees the damage, flees the scene, and your daughter dies 45 minutes later. Would you think a 10 years is enough?
The country as a whole is becoming F'ed up....... it's not just the death penalty, there are many other things that lots of people aren't happy about.Pug wrote:
And lastly, you said "moving out of the country". Just pick another state without the death penalty. It's not legislated at the national level. PS. It's not Texas.
But, to sum it up in one sentence, it's just the growing "asshole" type attitude Americans are having more and more these days.
Here's the problem with a "life sentence" (thanks to wikipedia...
"United States
The definition varies from one U.S. state to another. Life imprisonment often lasts until the prisoner dies, especially in cases where life imprisonment is imposed as alternative to the death penalty. It is also usual that life terms are given in sentences that are intentionally longer than how long the prisoner is expected to live, e.g. a 200-year sentence for multiple counts of murder. In contrast to that, there are also many states where a convict can be released on parole after a decade or more has passed. For example, sentences of "15 years to life" or "25 years to life" may be given; this is called an "indeterminate life sentence," while a sentence of "life without the possibility of parole" is called a "determinate life sentence." Even when a sentence specifically denies the possibility of parole, government officials may have the power to grant amnesty or reprieves, or commute a sentence to time served. Under the federal criminal code, however, with respect to offenses committed after December 1, 1987, parole has been abolished for all sentences handed down by the federal system, including life sentences, so a life sentence from a federal court will result in imprisonment for the life of the defendant, unless a pardon or reprieve is granted by the President. A broad range of crimes can serve as the predicate act for a life sentence in the United States, ranging from petty theft to murder. Notably, the U.S. Supreme Court on several occasions has upheld lengthy sentences for petty theft including life with the possibility of parole and 50 years to life; neither conflicts with the ban on "cruel and unusual punishment" in the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution because they are not torture.[3] See three-strikes laws for more information."
So unless you are convicted by a Federal court, even if you get life a Government official can grant parole. Most people I know don't trust the government enough to keep the right people behind bars. Also... our law systems needs to be more consistent with sentencing.
Murder 1 = x amt of years
GTA = x amt of years
and so on for most common crimes. So you know what the chance you are taking when you commit that crime.
On a side note... I think it's been really cool so far that no one is flaming anyone on this forum. There have been some pretty extreme opinions posted and everyone has taken it and responded without anyone really being insulted. There have been a few jokers, but for the most part I've enjoyed this thread. Cookies for everyone!
"United States
The definition varies from one U.S. state to another. Life imprisonment often lasts until the prisoner dies, especially in cases where life imprisonment is imposed as alternative to the death penalty. It is also usual that life terms are given in sentences that are intentionally longer than how long the prisoner is expected to live, e.g. a 200-year sentence for multiple counts of murder. In contrast to that, there are also many states where a convict can be released on parole after a decade or more has passed. For example, sentences of "15 years to life" or "25 years to life" may be given; this is called an "indeterminate life sentence," while a sentence of "life without the possibility of parole" is called a "determinate life sentence." Even when a sentence specifically denies the possibility of parole, government officials may have the power to grant amnesty or reprieves, or commute a sentence to time served. Under the federal criminal code, however, with respect to offenses committed after December 1, 1987, parole has been abolished for all sentences handed down by the federal system, including life sentences, so a life sentence from a federal court will result in imprisonment for the life of the defendant, unless a pardon or reprieve is granted by the President. A broad range of crimes can serve as the predicate act for a life sentence in the United States, ranging from petty theft to murder. Notably, the U.S. Supreme Court on several occasions has upheld lengthy sentences for petty theft including life with the possibility of parole and 50 years to life; neither conflicts with the ban on "cruel and unusual punishment" in the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution because they are not torture.[3] See three-strikes laws for more information."
So unless you are convicted by a Federal court, even if you get life a Government official can grant parole. Most people I know don't trust the government enough to keep the right people behind bars. Also... our law systems needs to be more consistent with sentencing.
Murder 1 = x amt of years
GTA = x amt of years
and so on for most common crimes. So you know what the chance you are taking when you commit that crime.
On a side note... I think it's been really cool so far that no one is flaming anyone on this forum. There have been some pretty extreme opinions posted and everyone has taken it and responded without anyone really being insulted. There have been a few jokers, but for the most part I've enjoyed this thread. Cookies for everyone!
He'd whisper "Pssst... I'm with you on this one".The_Shipbuilder wrote:
What do you think Jesus thinks about your opinion?|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
I'm christian and I say YES to the death penalty
I say fry the bastards, they get what they deserve
lmfao.............. good one|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
He'd whisper "Pssst... I'm with you on this one".The_Shipbuilder wrote:
What do you think Jesus thinks about your opinion?|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
I'm christian and I say YES to the death penalty
I say fry the bastards, they get what they deserve
You are the very evil Jesus wanted to destroy.
Got the reason why the execution was botched.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/15/diaz. … index.html
Mcminty.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/15/diaz. … index.html
Mcminty.
The assholes in this country are the ones being put in prison and executed. You defend them and hate them at the same time?Spearhead wrote:
The country as a whole is becoming F'ed up....... it's not just the death penalty, there are many other things that lots of people aren't happy about.Pug wrote:
And lastly, you said "moving out of the country". Just pick another state without the death penalty. It's not legislated at the national level. PS. It's not Texas.
But, to sum it up in one sentence, it's just the growing "asshole" type attitude Americans are having more and more these days.
oh, not abortion!Miller wrote:
Yep, it's okay to kill an unborn baby just because the mother doesn't want to take responsibility for it, but killing criminals? It's morally inhumane!unnamednewbie13 wrote:
So long as abortion is morally acceptable, so should execution remain.jonsimon wrote:
Sick people, does anyone understand what it means to be cultured or moral anymore?
lol, if it's an accident and the woman doesn't want a kid, then let her choose. better than the kid knowing he/she was an accident. and if it is the type of person who has many abortions (hopefully they'd just get fixed), well, good, i wouldn't want a kid raised by someone like that in society.
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1 word ADOPTION, you really think it is better to not have a life then have a crappy one. I think abortion should only be legal if it puts the mothers life in danger, or the conception is the product of rape.silentsin wrote:
oh, not abortion!Miller wrote:
Yep, it's okay to kill an unborn baby just because the mother doesn't want to take responsibility for it, but killing criminals? It's morally inhumane!unnamednewbie13 wrote:
So long as abortion is morally acceptable, so should execution remain.
lol, if it's an accident and the woman doesn't want a kid, then let her choose. better than the kid knowing he/she was an accident. and if it is the type of person who has many abortions (hopefully they'd just get fixed), well, good, i wouldn't want a kid raised by someone like that in society.
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this is about the Death Penalty in the law system, please don't bring up abortion. If you wanna talk about abortion, make a different thread. I don't like posting two different arguments in one post about two different topics, and thats what i'll end up doing
on death penalty:
Chipper Shredders should be brought into prison yards. The amount of alchohol and painkillers you get are determined by the severity of your crime. This accomplishes several goals:
1) Cheap way of eliminating criminals
2) those who commit the worst crimes are punished the worst
3) There is no question as to whether it will be painful. It is quick, and unless you commited a really bad crime it should be fairly painless
4) Scare the crap out of criminals and/or those who might commit crimes. If you might end up getting put into a chipper shredder if you shoot someone while robbing that bank maybe you'll think twice about robbing the bank.
on death penalty:
Chipper Shredders should be brought into prison yards. The amount of alchohol and painkillers you get are determined by the severity of your crime. This accomplishes several goals:
1) Cheap way of eliminating criminals
2) those who commit the worst crimes are punished the worst
3) There is no question as to whether it will be painful. It is quick, and unless you commited a really bad crime it should be fairly painless
4) Scare the crap out of criminals and/or those who might commit crimes. If you might end up getting put into a chipper shredder if you shoot someone while robbing that bank maybe you'll think twice about robbing the bank.
Kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out!
lolAjax_the_Great1 wrote:
The assholes in this country are the ones being put in prison and executed. You defend them and hate them at the same time?Spearhead wrote:
The country as a whole is becoming F'ed up....... it's not just the death penalty, there are many other things that lots of people aren't happy about.Pug wrote:
And lastly, you said "moving out of the country". Just pick another state without the death penalty. It's not legislated at the national level. PS. It's not Texas.
But, to sum it up in one sentence, it's just the growing "asshole" type attitude Americans are having more and more these days.
No, murderers are mentally unstable. Well, most of them. They are not necessarily "assholes". They are just plain psychotic. Unless that;s not what you meant. If you advocate murdering assholes who haven't done anything, than good luck with that.
By "assholes", I mean people who believe that the USA is the best, we can kick any countries ass, the Mid-East hates us because "uh... they just hate us because of our freedom", increasing lack of respect for Muslims, increasing support by the Christian right to impose their beliefs on the rest of us, etc.
We will most likely never become a fascist state, but there are many disturbing parallels between the USA today, and Germany in the 1920's and 30's.