re read the postsBubbalo wrote:
What? You are drawing a correlation between someone who hates cold desserts hating ice cream, and someone who hates America. I then drew out your comment to find the corollary for cold desserts.lowing wrote:
I rest my case. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Bubbalo wrote:
I made a statement about other people's statements, asking them to back it up. Further, there is a difference between anti-American rhetoric on a forum which mostly discusses foreign policy and hating America. For example, I am not a fan of many of Germany's past actions, but I would love to visit the country.lowing wrote:
Actually YOU are one of the WORST on here for your anti-American rhetoric. THIS is your thread, you made a statement, now back it up with some stats. Or do you honestly think ANYONE is going to take the time to do it for you to prove you wrong or right.DO it your damn self.
Except that no-one here has claimed to hate democratic republics.
I will address your idocy.IRONCHEF wrote:
Bubs, this thread needs some help. First, you should have defined what "america-bashing" is, or perhaps just define exactly what "proof" is that someone hates america.
For example, some liar said I hate america today. Obviously this unlearned loser has no clue what I actually think about this country having gained his opinion from some other clown who said "ironchef hates america and us soldiers, blah blah blah" when in fact I've never said it. yet somehow, that notion will permeate the minds of the idiots that have little reading comprehension...and i'll go on thus labelled...even though there's very positive posts from me that obviously show my love for this country, it's torn and battered constitution, it's neglected, overtaxed and propaganda-laden people, etc, etc.
Now to address your OP.. I think I've seen some kids post now and then that used decisive wording to suggest they actually hate our country. I doubt they meant it or could even support it, but it's been said. As for people like lowing, usmarine2007, and other yahoos who can't read well, it is apparent that their disagreement with someone's 'criticism' of aspects of our country, our policies, our leaders, and other ills harbored in the USA are considered an open attack on and "proof" that someone hates the USA. It's hard to ignore their BS, and it's impossible to argue with them (as shown above), so i think just letting them say their unqualified beliefs should just go without comment when possible.
1. hate president
2. hate capitalism in America
3. hate us not minding our own business.
4. think we are only out for blood and oil
5. thinks we are all stupid, goes toward education system
6. thinks we are all fat.
7. hates what we drive
8. thinks we are greedy
9. thinks we are all arrogant
10. hates the fact that we are gun owners.
11. Blames the ME problems on the US and Bush.
12. We are nazis.
13. Comments about our soldiers
Did I miss anything??..........Now, what is it about America, that is actually loved or even appreciated.
As far as my being able to read. These are the comments that I have read by the members that post on this forum. So fuckin spare me and your innocent, " Show me where America is bashed too much" BULLSHIT.
lol, oh, I get it. Because you felt like lumping me in with others who have the sordid points above (of which, only 4 apply to me), i'm now an anti-american? Que palhação você é.
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No dipshit, this thread isn't about YOU, it is about the collective posts on here, and if America bashing is more prevalent than any others. I am lumping, ALL who apply into my post as what I have read on here.IRONCHEF wrote:
lol, oh, I get it. Because you felt like lumping me in with others who have the sordid points above (of which, only 4 apply to me), i'm now an anti-american? Que palhação você é.
Like I said before, I really couldn't give two flying fucks if you are anti-American or not.
I'm the dipshit because I linked the above as meaning you were replying to me? My bad....lowing wrote:
I will address your idocy.IRONCHEF wrote:
Bubs, this thread needs some help....
1. hate president...
And on your topic...please quote some of the people in this thread you're accusing of being anti-american. Quote them saying that america, as a whole, is bad/evil/satan/etc. Show me where they've said nothing good comes out of this country. Because until you or bubbalo defines it, i don't think anyone can judge who hates america. I know what I think that means, and i think you have your own definition (anything that you dont' agree with) too.
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You are saying that hating certain ingredients is the same as hating America, but because it isn't a direct statement of hatred people will say it doesn't count.lowing wrote:
re read the postsBubbalo wrote:
What? You are drawing a correlation between someone who hates cold desserts hating ice cream, and someone who hates America. I then drew out your comment to find the corollary for cold desserts.lowing wrote:
I rest my case. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The crux of your argument is that saying you hate the ingredients means you hate the product, and you and others are justified in saying the forum is rife with America-haters, but that since it's an indirect kind of hatred it won't meet the criteria of the challenge.lowing wrote:
WHAT!!.......I never said I hated ice cream, show me where I said that!!........aardfrith wrote:
Ice cream is a cold dessert you eat with a spoon and apparently you hate those.lowing wrote:
I hate cream ,milk sugar and cold deserts ya eat with a spoon, but show me where I said I hated ice cream. gimme a break.
Do you see how fruitless and stupid it is to try and take his "challenge".....ANYTHING you post will be refuted by a similar tactic. Why bother?
Your analogy that these people still hate America even though people have only specified hate for certain ingredients implies you think of America as a few simple ingredients such as blind patriotism, upholding the constitution as is (e.g. once it has been amended to include guns, it must never be removed), wars against supervillain enemies (with little or no evidence), use of force before negotiation (can't appear weak), the exchange of freedom for the greater good (like when wiretapping), the need to imprision potential terrorists beyond the grasp of international law (because the UN is soft), the importance of national interests over international law (screw 'em), blah, blah; when in fact those are just the toppings on your recipe for pizza.
Saying I hate anchovy pizza does not mean I hate all pizza.
You've just provided me with the ingredients list for your version of pizza (all the better now you've just emphasised it represents the main points of the collective america hating/bashing which you often bring up), so let's take it apart and see why changing the toppings doesn't mean you hate the pizza.
That ingredient has quite a short shelf life. It's looking a bit moldy already. Lot's of Americans also hate it. Next year's special might be delicious.lowing wrote:
1. hate president
Because Enron are cuddly little bunnies. There are many distasteful elements of capitalism such as the fact that the shoes you are wearing were probably made by a 8 year old in a sweatshop in China. There are political parties which would insist on stricter controls on that type of practice. The form of capitalism practiced by many corporations is just a topping. It is not in the true spirit of free trade, it's often a means of exploiting labour which would be illegal in America. And it's rife with corruption. Demanding fresh ingredients whether you are American or not is not even vaguely anti-American.lowing wrote:
2. hate capitalism in America
See number 1. That's a policy decision, and respect of the same international laws and standards as everyone else would eliminate that perception. Again just a topping, Bush's flavour of the month.lowing wrote:
3. hate us not minding our own business.
We as in who? Most Americans are against the war these days, and I wouldn't say they were out for blood and oil. To be honest I like their version better, oil is fine in pizza if it comes from olives, but generally I prefer mine minus the blood. (even if it costs a bit more)lowing wrote:
4. think we are only out for blood and oil
We've all seen the video clips where they ask random American's to point out Iraq on a map. And let's not forget that many of the major networks in America make a tidy buck exporting that particular stereotype (e.g. Homer Simpson), so if you are going to support capitalism you'd better get used to people buying the stereotypes along with what few other exports America does have.lowing wrote:
5. thinks we are all stupid, goes toward education system
See 5.lowing wrote:
6. thinks we are all fat.
Not everyone drives an SUV. If I hate the SUV drivers in England, do I also hate England? This is again a topping, we haven't even heard you complain about a single criticism of the core ingredients yet.lowing wrote:
7. hates what we drive
See 5&6.lowing wrote:
8. thinks we are greedy
See 5,6&8. (although this topping is mainly exported by Friends, not the Simpsons)lowing wrote:
9. thinks we are all arrogant
Okay, you could argue this is a core ingredient since it's in the constitution. But it's in an amendment, and there is no reason that suggesting another amendment to keep with the times means you hate the whole pizza. That goes for people inside and outside of the pizza parlour.lowing wrote:
10. hates the fact that we are gun owners.
Britain and France caused their fair share. But Iraq was fairly stable after the first gulf war, and it was purely a decision taken by Bush which has plunged Iraq into civil war. We are back to the toppings again.lowing wrote:
11. Blames the ME problems on the US and Bush.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. The fall into fascism was fast in Germany. There are many warnings to be heeding from Hitler's rise to power. Saying that certain conditions are similar, and that if certain paths were taken, America could end up as the Fourth Reich is not even an insult. The film V for Vendetta portrays an England where fascism and oppression have taken hold, and that was made by Americans. Does that mean the Wachowski brothers hate England? No. They just wouldn't like it with certain toppings on.lowing wrote:
12. We are nazis.
Oh noes! They didn't get hurt feelings did they? What about when British troops make comments on the high blue-on-blue risk involved in fighting alongside Americans? Is it a friendly comment which helps identify the areas which need improvement, or a vile hateful slander designed to demonstrate how much they hate the Americans? Most of the individual criticisms of soldiers and the American military in general fall into the category of toppings, I'm afraid. A different president might use better ingredients, but it doesn't mean it isn't edible as it is.lowing wrote:
13. Comments about our soldiers
There are masses of items not on the list, but if you don't know what they are, I'm not going to spell it out.lowing wrote:
Did I miss anything??..........Now, what is it about America, that is actually loved or even appreciated.
As far as my being able to read. These are the comments that I have read by the members that post on this forum. So fuckin spare me and your innocent, " Show me where America is bashed too much" BULLSHIT.
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Okay, I try to generally stay out of debate topics like this, since people are so set in their ways that there will be no winner either way. But did you seriously just attempt to insult someone's intelligence, then mispell the word "idiocy"? I'm not randomly flaming you, but if you really care about this argument, show enough respect to your opponent to spell correctly. Please continue, this is actually quite interesting.lowing wrote:
I will address your idocy.
how do you spell it? lol I thought it was right.RedTwizzler wrote:
Okay, I try to generally stay out of debate topics like this, since people are so set in their ways that there will be no winner either way. But did you seriously just attempt to insult someone's intelligence, then mispell the word "idiocy"? I'm not randomly flaming you, but if you really care about this argument, show enough respect to your opponent to spell correctly. Please continue, this is actually quite interesting.lowing wrote:
I will address your idocy.
idiocy
hmmmm..didn't come up in spell check. know what? even if it isn't right, nobody likes a grammar/spelling correction.
**edit** aha, the "i" was missing. still...no spelling/grammar nerds are allowed. we all can speak various languages with perfect fluency and accuracy..we just chose to be sloppy here because we can.
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Proper spelling is idiocy, he said idocy.IRONCHEF wrote:
how do you spell it? lol I thought it was right.
idiocy
hmmmm..didn't come up in spell check. know what? even if it isn't right, nobody likes a grammar/spelling correction.
As I said, I don't want to make a big deal out of it, but it was one of a multitude of spelling/grammar errors in that post. Lack of proofreading severly impacts people's perception of your intelligence. Also, it makes it seem like you don't care about the topic at hand. I'm just offering advice.
IRONCHEF just missed the delightful irony of lowing misspelling the word idiocy. But I'm sure most people spotted itRedTwizzler wrote:
I'm just offering advice.
(edit: the irony that it's... I missed the typo)
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What is this?!, you and bubbalo go to the same debate class?? You KNOW people on here talk that shit. Again I don't give a shit about it, but Jesus Christ to deny that anyone bashes the fuck out of the US and demand that I prove that they have is pretty god damned absurd.IRONCHEF wrote:
I'm the dipshit because I linked the above as meaning you were replying to me? My bad....lowing wrote:
I will address your idiocy.IRONCHEF wrote:
Bubs, this thread needs some help....
1. hate president...
And on your topic...please quote some of the people in this thread you're accusing of being anti-American. Quote them saying that America, as a whole, is bad/evil/satan/etc. Show me where they've said nothing good comes out of this country. Because until you or bubbalo defines it, i don't think anyone can judge who hates america. I know what I think that means, and i think you have your own definition (anything that you dont' agree with) too.
lol go america +1randompants wrote:
fuck your country, america rules all....in fact, fuck everyone thats not from america....cuz we will invade your shit without hesitation and give a semi-legitimate reason why.......woot!!!! here's why america rules....we do what we want, when we want, and the only thing the rest of the world can do is bitch about it afterwards....we could go to war with any country except china(maybe) and woop their ass......that's why we rule......fuck england with it's bullshit parliamentary monarchy and fuck france with their pussy ass army and gay accent......fuck india cuz of their fucked up child-killing ways.......i could go on but im reallllly drunk right now.....bottom line is fuck all of you america haters......in two more years we wont have a dipshit leader......and even now were still better than all of you mo'fo's who try to hate on us.....i dont care if this is on topic or not.....the original poster is a douche from australia......everyone here hates on america but they don't even realize that its the best country in the world and always will be.....I'm proud to be from america and people who hate on us are jealous cuz we have las vegas, free market capitalism, football, and their women are all fat bitches who smoke ciggarettes and constantly complain about shit.....go america!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, yeah yeah, gee, I mis-typed something and then forgot to run spell checker. I will bet ya 10 bucks you made damn sure you didn't fuck up and ran spell checker in your post before "offering your free advice". Or are you claiming you never mis-typed a word? I probably woulda re-checked my post if I had known it was going to be graded.RedTwizzler wrote:
Proper spelling is idiocy, he said idocy.IRONCHEF wrote:
how do you spell it? lol I thought it was right.
idiocy
hmmmm..didn't come up in spell check. know what? even if it isn't right, nobody likes a grammar/spelling correction.
As I said, I don't want to make a big deal out of it, but it was one of a multitude of spelling/grammar errors in that post. Lack of proofreading severly impacts people's perception of your intelligence. Also, it makes it seem like you don't care about the topic at hand. I'm just offering advice.
haha i love these kinds of posts
really people go all patriotic and abusive to people they've never actually met and probably never will
it never ceases to amaze me how many could easily take the piss or just let it slide and just don't
really people go all patriotic and abusive to people they've never actually met and probably never will
it never ceases to amaze me how many could easily take the piss or just let it slide and just don't
I have a question: by "america" do you mean to include canada and mexico or are you refering to the USA because at least 1/2 oh americans are rediculous idiots as they re-elected bush who is and uter moron
I have absolutly no problem with the rest of america (any country but the USA)
I have absolutly no problem with the rest of america (any country but the USA)
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As a matter of fact, I don't run any sort of spell-checking program over my posts. I do read them over once, after they're typed, so I don't come across as a slackjawed ignoramus.lowing wrote:
Yeah, yeah yeah, gee, I mis-typed something and then forgot to run spell checker. I will bet ya 10 bucks you made damn sure you didn't fuck up and ran spell checker in your post before "offering your free advice". Or are you claiming you never mis-typed a word? I probably woulda re-checked my post if I had known it was going to be graded.RedTwizzler wrote:
Proper spelling is idiocy, he said idocy.IRONCHEF wrote:
how do you spell it? lol I thought it was right.
idiocy
hmmmm..didn't come up in spell check. know what? even if it isn't right, nobody likes a grammar/spelling correction.
As I said, I don't want to make a big deal out of it, but it was one of a multitude of spelling/grammar errors in that post. Lack of proofreading severly impacts people's perception of your intelligence. Also, it makes it seem like you don't care about the topic at hand. I'm just offering advice.
2-shay! Now go away nerd and stop hijacking. lol leave the hijacking to us unlearned bums.RedTwizzler wrote:
As a matter of fact, I don't run any sort of spell-checking program over my posts. I do read them over once, after they're typed, so I don't come across as a slackjawed ignoramus.lowing wrote:
Yeah, yeah yeah, gee, I mis-typed something and then forgot to run spell checker. I will bet ya 10 bucks you made damn sure you didn't fuck up and ran spell checker in your post before "offering your free advice". Or are you claiming you never mis-typed a word? I probably woulda re-checked my post if I had known it was going to be graded.RedTwizzler wrote:
Proper spelling is idiocy, he said idocy.
As I said, I don't want to make a big deal out of it, but it was one of a multitude of spelling/grammar errors in that post. Lack of proofreading severly impacts people's perception of your intelligence. Also, it makes it seem like you don't care about the topic at hand. I'm just offering advice.
Interesting test... I'll indulge:
1. hate president
Oh yes. Also former president and many many others like Nixon, and that cunt Kissinger (not a president but still).
2. hate capitalism in America
Hate is a strong word. Some aspects of it I don't like, but that has nothing to do with any specific country...
3. hate us not minding our own business.
Yes. Then again, I don't see how you could mind your own business given your position. Any nation would do it.
4. think we are only out for blood and oil
Blood? lol Money my friend...
5. thinks we are all stupid, goes toward education system
I hate generalizations of that sort.
6. thinks we are all fat.
I hate generalizations of that sort too.
7. hates what we drive
Even though your cars are reputed to be unreliable, costly and not so powerful, I actually like 'em. I'd love to drive one but our streets here are too narrow, there's no parking spaces and I don't have so much money for gas.
8. thinks we are greedy
look at answers 5+6
9. thinks we are all arrogant
look at answers 5, 6 and 8
10. hates the fact that we are gun owners.
I don't hate... I've been to the US a long time ago when I was just a kid so I didn't mind much back then. If I ever get the chance to visit again I admit I'll be cautious, even a bit scared when talking to people.
11. Blames the ME problems on the US and Bush.
The Bush family has been around only for so long... The US have played a major role in the region, but in no way are they the only ones to blame.
12. We are nazis.
lol answers 5, 6, 8, 9
13. Comments about our soldiers
Do you mean comments in a bad way? Well, I don't really care about them. I see them as pawns in this whole case. Either ways though, criticism could be a good thing... plus last I heard only the Pope didn't make mistakes.
Now, what is it about America, that is actually loved or even appreciated.
Many things. Music for one... You go next.
So what's the verdict lowing? Do I qualify as a hater of the US?
1. hate president
Oh yes. Also former president and many many others like Nixon, and that cunt Kissinger (not a president but still).
2. hate capitalism in America
Hate is a strong word. Some aspects of it I don't like, but that has nothing to do with any specific country...
3. hate us not minding our own business.
Yes. Then again, I don't see how you could mind your own business given your position. Any nation would do it.
4. think we are only out for blood and oil
Blood? lol Money my friend...
5. thinks we are all stupid, goes toward education system
I hate generalizations of that sort.
6. thinks we are all fat.
I hate generalizations of that sort too.
7. hates what we drive
Even though your cars are reputed to be unreliable, costly and not so powerful, I actually like 'em. I'd love to drive one but our streets here are too narrow, there's no parking spaces and I don't have so much money for gas.
8. thinks we are greedy
look at answers 5+6
9. thinks we are all arrogant
look at answers 5, 6 and 8
10. hates the fact that we are gun owners.
I don't hate... I've been to the US a long time ago when I was just a kid so I didn't mind much back then. If I ever get the chance to visit again I admit I'll be cautious, even a bit scared when talking to people.
11. Blames the ME problems on the US and Bush.
The Bush family has been around only for so long... The US have played a major role in the region, but in no way are they the only ones to blame.
12. We are nazis.
lol answers 5, 6, 8, 9
13. Comments about our soldiers
Do you mean comments in a bad way? Well, I don't really care about them. I see them as pawns in this whole case. Either ways though, criticism could be a good thing... plus last I heard only the Pope didn't make mistakes.
Now, what is it about America, that is actually loved or even appreciated.
Many things. Music for one... You go next.
So what's the verdict lowing? Do I qualify as a hater of the US?
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i wish i lived in Athens...
no you don't
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I am not saying ANYONE is an America hater, I am saying the posts in this forum are mostly anti-American when nations are discussed. Please stop dissecting this thread and asking what the definition of "IS", is.. I am speaking generally, and generally, America is not a well liked country in this forum. But yet again, I really couldn't care any less. IDOTS!!!oug wrote:
Interesting test... I'll indulge:
1. hate president
Oh yes. Also former president and many many others like Nixon, and that cunt Kissinger (not a president but still).
2. hate capitalism in America
Hate is a strong word. Some aspects of it I don't like, but that has nothing to do with any specific country...
3. hate us not minding our own business.
Yes. Then again, I don't see how you could mind your own business given your position. Any nation would do it.
4. think we are only out for blood and oil
Blood? lol Money my friend...
5. thinks we are all stupid, goes toward education system
I hate generalizations of that sort.
6. thinks we are all fat.
I hate generalizations of that sort too.
7. hates what we drive
Even though your cars are reputed to be unreliable, costly and not so powerful, I actually like 'em. I'd love to drive one but our streets here are too narrow, there's no parking spaces and I don't have so much money for gas.
8. thinks we are greedy
look at answers 5+6
9. thinks we are all arrogant
look at answers 5, 6 and 8
10. hates the fact that we are gun owners.
I don't hate... I've been to the US a long time ago when I was just a kid so I didn't mind much back then. If I ever get the chance to visit again I admit I'll be cautious, even a bit scared when talking to people.
11. Blames the ME problems on the US and Bush.
The Bush family has been around only for so long... The US have played a major role in the region, but in no way are they the only ones to blame.
12. We are nazis.
lol answers 5, 6, 8, 9
13. Comments about our soldiers
Do you mean comments in a bad way? Well, I don't really care about them. I see them as pawns in this whole case. Either ways though, criticism could be a good thing... plus last I heard only the Pope didn't make mistakes.
Now, what is it about America, that is actually loved or even appreciated.
Many things. Music for one... You go next.
So what's the verdict lowing? Do I qualify as a hater of the US?
^lowing wrote:
IDOTS!!!
ROFLMFAOBBQCMPBVD'S!
I see what you're getting at now.B.Schuss wrote:
well, it still is your statement, wether it was meant as a challenge or not. You cannot ask others to back up their statements and at the same time refuse to back up yours.
Okay then. I ask, instead of the original challenge, that those who make these claims back them up here. If they're right it should be easily done through current threads, as they claim that they are riddled with anti-American rhetoric.
I sometimes make complex statements, yes. But that is because we discuss complex situations for which complex thought is required.B.Schuss wrote:
a) you have a certain way of putting things so complicated, that others just cannot follow your argumentation, including the use of elaborate rethorical means.
Well yeah, but that's the case everywhere I go.B.Schuss wrote:
b) the others are stupid, you are the only intelligent person here
It's not easy being the smart, pretty one.B.Schuss wrote:
c) everybody is after you, because we all hate you.
I could accept that if it weren't for the fact that it's people who are saying things which I would never say, in a manner which puts it in as bad as possible a light.B.Schuss wrote:
d) it's the internet. communication mishaps occur all the time. lighten up.
So, I'm not gonna talk again because it's become quite clear that Kmarion is the only person disagreeing with me who is capable of complex thought, and based on the fact that he was disagreeing with the statement in the first post (which, whilst it is my belief, was not the point of my thread, and I apologise) I don't think there's any point continuing: that statement can neither be proved nor disproved, and the point that I'd intended to make has basically been made.
Irony ftw...Bubbalo wrote:
I see what you're getting at now.B.Schuss wrote:
well, it still is your statement, wether it was meant as a challenge or not. You cannot ask others to back up their statements and at the same time refuse to back up yours.
Okay then. I ask, instead of the original challenge, that those who make these claims back them up here. If they're right it should be easily done through current threads, as they claim that they are riddled with anti-American rhetoric.I sometimes make complex statements, yes. But that is because we discuss complex situations for which complex thought is required.B.Schuss wrote:
a) you have a certain way of putting things so complicated, that others just cannot follow your argumentation, including the use of elaborate rethorical means.Well yeah, but that's the case everywhere I go.B.Schuss wrote:
b) the others are stupid, you are the only intelligent person hereIt's not easy being the smart, pretty one.B.Schuss wrote:
c) everybody is after you, because we all hate you.I could accept that if it weren't for the fact that it's people who are saying things which I would never say, in a manner which puts it in as bad as possible a light.B.Schuss wrote:
d) it's the internet. communication mishaps occur all the time. lighten up.
btw, have you ever had people come up to you and tell you that they consider you arrogant or condescending, just from the way you put things, and your continued subtle irony ?
example:
are you sure you are not continually putting down other people with such statements ?Bubbalo wrote:
..it's become quite clear that Kmarion is the only person disagreeing with me who is capable of complex thought...