Hi everyone. I heard of this new bullet called the .416 cal. It is smaller than the .50cal but is faster and more accurate, and can get kill at ranges of 2500 meters. So, will this pwn the .50 cal?
NATO wont let anyone use it, I bet.
.416 Barrett?
Yes.k30dxedle wrote:
.416 Barrett?
http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_m9916.htm
Most of the other rifles being available for .416 chambering imminent.
Last edited by TheDarkRaven (2007-01-06 13:19:37)
If it's faster, and more accurate, I don't see why it'd be bad.
Because it's gruesome... it can rip peoples heads straight off their neck.Hurricane wrote:
If it's faster, and more accurate, I don't see why it'd be bad.
?![TP~Bravo]Wiggy wrote:
Because it's gruesome... it can rip peoples heads straight off their neck.Hurricane wrote:
If it's faster, and more accurate, I don't see why it'd be bad.
Apologies for the repost, but this is the calibre that is used to hunt African animals. This is a destructive round!
you have to look at the whole picture.
take the 9mm and the .45 for instance.
now the .45 is a big, slow round, roughly moving at 800 fps.
the 9mm is a lighter, quicker round @ roughly 1300 fps.
damage from firearms can happen in many different forms. the most important part of a bullet impacting is called "hydrostatic shock". remember that term.
hydrostatic shock refers to the damage done by the bullets initial hit, not if it broke anything or fractured or left the target all together. the only thing that matters is when it hits.
so the shock that is created is produced from the bullet impacting with all the inertia behind it.
now back to 9mm's and .45s.......the 9mm fires faster and weighs less than the .45. most of the time that bullet will not expand or fragment and will just exit the target. not to say that round is weak, its just how it works. the hydrostatic shock created from a piece of copper coated lead traveling 1300 fps roughly, is limited.
why?
weight and speed.
most .45s will not leave a target and infact stay inside creating much more force @ 800 fps.
ballistics are amazing, it will probably have a good use somewhere.
take the 9mm and the .45 for instance.
now the .45 is a big, slow round, roughly moving at 800 fps.
the 9mm is a lighter, quicker round @ roughly 1300 fps.
damage from firearms can happen in many different forms. the most important part of a bullet impacting is called "hydrostatic shock". remember that term.
hydrostatic shock refers to the damage done by the bullets initial hit, not if it broke anything or fractured or left the target all together. the only thing that matters is when it hits.
so the shock that is created is produced from the bullet impacting with all the inertia behind it.
now back to 9mm's and .45s.......the 9mm fires faster and weighs less than the .45. most of the time that bullet will not expand or fragment and will just exit the target. not to say that round is weak, its just how it works. the hydrostatic shock created from a piece of copper coated lead traveling 1300 fps roughly, is limited.
why?
weight and speed.
most .45s will not leave a target and infact stay inside creating much more force @ 800 fps.
ballistics are amazing, it will probably have a good use somewhere.
to sum up, a .45 has more stopping force than a 9mm, as do most/all larger calibersParker wrote:
you have to look at the whole picture.
take the 9mm and the .45 for instance.
now the .45 is a big, slow round, roughly moving at 800 fps.
the 9mm is a lighter, quicker round @ roughly 1300 fps.
damage from firearms can happen in many different forms. the most important part of a bullet impacting is called "hydrostatic shock". remember that term.
hydrostatic shock refers to the damage done by the bullets initial hit, not if it broke anything or fractured or left the target all together. the only thing that matters is when it hits.
so the shock that is created is produced from the bullet impacting with all the inertia behind it.
now back to 9mm's and .45s.......the 9mm fires faster and weighs less than the .45. most of the time that bullet will not expand or fragment and will just exit the target. not to say that round is weak, its just how it works. the hydrostatic shock created from a piece of copper coated lead traveling 1300 fps roughly, is limited.
why?
weight and speed.
most .45s will not leave a target and infact stay inside creating much more force @ 800 fps.
ballistics are amazing, it will probably have a good use somewhere.
I'm familiar with the .416 Barret. All it is, is a .50 BMG case that has been necked down to a .416 caliber. It's a lighter bullet with the same powder charge as a .50 BMG so it gains quite a bit of speed, but it's still heavy by "small" ammunition standards (small being rifle ammo). It's very flat shooting and supposedly more accurate.
It's big downside is that it has such a high velocity that it destroys barrels after a thousand rounds or so, which really isn't a lot of shooting for someone who would actually buy rifles chambered in this, they usually cost around $3000-$8000.
It was really only designed because the state of California outlawed rifles chamber in .50 BMG and this is just a means for Barret to continue selling to civilians in California. I applaud Barret for this, that man loves giving the finger to the government when they attack his product. When the LAPD was trying to help the California .50 BMG rifle ban pass they used a Barret rifle that the department owned on TV to show how evil they were. Barret quickly canceled all contracts with the LAPD and refused to do any maintenance any rifles the LAPD already owned.
It's big downside is that it has such a high velocity that it destroys barrels after a thousand rounds or so, which really isn't a lot of shooting for someone who would actually buy rifles chambered in this, they usually cost around $3000-$8000.
It was really only designed because the state of California outlawed rifles chamber in .50 BMG and this is just a means for Barret to continue selling to civilians in California. I applaud Barret for this, that man loves giving the finger to the government when they attack his product. When the LAPD was trying to help the California .50 BMG rifle ban pass they used a Barret rifle that the department owned on TV to show how evil they were. Barret quickly canceled all contracts with the LAPD and refused to do any maintenance any rifles the LAPD already owned.
True, but when specialty rounds like frangibles are used in a 9mm it potentially has more stopping power than a .45 using the same ammunition.C01d Fusion wrote:
to sum up, a .45 has more stopping force than a 9mm, as do most/all larger calibersParker wrote:
you have to look at the whole picture.
take the 9mm and the .45 for instance.
now the .45 is a big, slow round, roughly moving at 800 fps.
the 9mm is a lighter, quicker round @ roughly 1300 fps.
damage from firearms can happen in many different forms. the most important part of a bullet impacting is called "hydrostatic shock". remember that term.
hydrostatic shock refers to the damage done by the bullets initial hit, not if it broke anything or fractured or left the target all together. the only thing that matters is when it hits.
so the shock that is created is produced from the bullet impacting with all the inertia behind it.
now back to 9mm's and .45s.......the 9mm fires faster and weighs less than the .45. most of the time that bullet will not expand or fragment and will just exit the target. not to say that round is weak, its just how it works. the hydrostatic shock created from a piece of copper coated lead traveling 1300 fps roughly, is limited.
why?
weight and speed.
most .45s will not leave a target and infact stay inside creating much more force @ 800 fps.
ballistics are amazing, it will probably have a good use somewhere.
It's actually simple physics, in a formula we've all heard. E=MC2 Energy is equal to mass times velocity squared. So doubling the velocity adds a lot more energy compared to doubling the mass.
Isn't it also used for the military?ts-pulsar wrote:
I'm familiar with the .416 Barret. All it is, is a .50 BMG case that has been necked down to a .416 caliber. It's a lighter bullet with the same powder charge as a .50 BMG so it gains quite a bit of speed, but it's still heavy by "small" ammunition standards (small being rifle ammo). It's very flat shooting and supposedly more accurate.
It's big downside is that it has such a high velocity that it destroys barrels after a thousand rounds or so, which really isn't a lot of shooting for someone who would actually buy rifles chambered in this, they usually cost around $3000-$8000.
It was really only designed because the state of California outlawed rifles chamber in .50 BMG and this is just a means for Barret to continue selling to civilians in California. I applaud Barret for this, that man loves giving the finger to the government when they attack his product. When the LAPD was trying to help the California .50 BMG rifle ban pass they used a Barret rifle that the department owned on TV to show how evil they were. Barret quickly canceled all contracts with the LAPD and refused to do any maintenance any rifles the LAPD already owned.
Among other things.[TP~Bravo]Wiggy wrote:
Because it's gruesome... it can rip peoples heads straight off their neck.Hurricane wrote:
If it's faster, and more accurate, I don't see why it'd be bad.
ts-pulsar, when u say E = MC2 dont u mean P = MV, because E = MC2 is the mass-energy euquivalence, while P = MV is momentum = mass x velocity as in the mass of the bullet times by the velocity
True but the equation you're looking for is momentum. the c^2 in einstein's equation refers to the speed of light in a vaccum, its not a variable, its a constant defining the energy-mass ratio. the momemtum equation is similar, almost identical though -- p=mv - p being momentum, m being mass, and v being velocity. So changing the velocity has the same effect as changing mass, its a direct relationship.ts-pulsar wrote:
True, but when specialty rounds like frangibles are used in a 9mm it potentially has more stopping power than a .45 using the same ammunition.C01d Fusion wrote:
to sum up, a .45 has more stopping force than a 9mm, as do most/all larger calibersParker wrote:
you have to look at the whole picture.
take the 9mm and the .45 for instance.
now the .45 is a big, slow round, roughly moving at 800 fps.
the 9mm is a lighter, quicker round @ roughly 1300 fps.
damage from firearms can happen in many different forms. the most important part of a bullet impacting is called "hydrostatic shock". remember that term.
hydrostatic shock refers to the damage done by the bullets initial hit, not if it broke anything or fractured or left the target all together. the only thing that matters is when it hits.
so the shock that is created is produced from the bullet impacting with all the inertia behind it.
now back to 9mm's and .45s.......the 9mm fires faster and weighs less than the .45. most of the time that bullet will not expand or fragment and will just exit the target. not to say that round is weak, its just how it works. the hydrostatic shock created from a piece of copper coated lead traveling 1300 fps roughly, is limited.
why?
weight and speed.
most .45s will not leave a target and infact stay inside creating much more force @ 800 fps.
ballistics are amazing, it will probably have a good use somewhere.
It's actually simple physics, in a formula we've all heard. E=MC2 Energy is equal to mass times velocity squared. So doubling the velocity adds a lot more energy compared to doubling the mass.
*edit* -ahhh unique name beat me..
Last edited by C01d Fusion (2007-01-07 06:11:01)
i can go hunting elephants and whales when they surface for air with that rifleTheDarkRaven wrote:
Apologies for the repost, but this is the calibre that is used to hunt African animals. This is a destructive round!
Ahh thanks for correcting me guys, I was posting while a little inebriated and very late at night. Was too lazy to come up with the correct formula, but felt that explained the basic concept well enoughC01d Fusion wrote:
True but the equation you're looking for is momentum. the c^2 in einstein's equation refers to the speed of light in a vaccum, its not a variable, its a constant defining the energy-mass ratio. the momemtum equation is similar, almost identical though -- p=mv - p being momentum, m being mass, and v being velocity. So changing the velocity has the same effect as changing mass, its a direct relationship.ts-pulsar wrote:
True, but when specialty rounds like frangibles are used in a 9mm it potentially has more stopping power than a .45 using the same ammunition.C01d Fusion wrote:
to sum up, a .45 has more stopping force than a 9mm, as do most/all larger calibers
It's actually simple physics, in a formula we've all heard. E=MC2 Energy is equal to mass times velocity squared. So doubling the velocity adds a lot more energy compared to doubling the mass.
*edit* -ahhh unique name beat me..