BF2S Forums Fighting Commander and mutiny votes

maybe they didn't want you to get double points and prevent them getting a medal?

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-01-12 08:24:37)

I hate when there are stupido peoplez who don't get it if there is a small number of players and if you are the commander you just have to help/fight along to win the round.

On on idiotic server that I never went back to play on I was helping my team the same way as you did and when they have attacked me I simply defended or jump from on checkpoint to another just to distract them so they would just have to be looking for me and what happened .... you have been kicked for fighting commander.

My advice - if you see a message on server ''No fighting commander'' and you obviously are - leave before getting upset for their stupidity.

I never pay any attention to mutiny votes against me.
I know Im probably better than the guy who started the vote

Anyway, if the server is half empty than you should engage in fighting. Just stay out or armour and planes. Best thing to do is grab one of those fast vehicles and make best use of the "scan". If you see someone sneek past you squads and go for a flag, you can respond quickly. Faster than trying to get someone in your team to respawn on that flag.

If you resign and no one else takes it, re-apply to be commander when the time is up.  I've been in the same boat, guy complained, I resigned, then they never took command.  When I re-applied it forced him to take commander, and he got a mutiny vote (successful) because he only fought, never put up a UAV or supply drop.

Sweet, sweet victory.

crimson_grunt wrote:

maybe they didn't want you to get double points and prevent them getting a medal?

yup.

good observation regarding 'in it for the points and medaling'.  i never thought about that.  my motivation for going commander is pretty much to ensure that the UAV is always up to help ID enemies for the team.  i'm not in i for the points anymore - more interested in getting badges and working on improving my overall gameplay.

good idea to inform the team of my intentions.  as a matter of fact i did send out message one time this happened to the team saying if anyone else wanted to command, let us know and i'd resign.  nobody said anything so i kept commanding.

again, thanks for the feedback and have a great weekend.  i'd give +1s but i don't have enough karma to give karma.  cyber beers for you instead.

Here's My rant:

I believe in a fighting commander, as long as it's not fighting in a vehicle.  In a small server, every man is crucial and losing a player to sit in the back and drop supplies is going to destroy your chances to win.  But I think that in servers with larger number of people in them that the commander should then step back and allow the team to do most of the fighting.  Now I'm not saying that you should sit in the most remote place on the map and never leave the command screen.  If you see an enemy that somehow got past the main lines, be my guest, go kill him.

Here's my little incident with the Combat-less commander:  (probably the same server as Toni)

I joinned the Mec team on a 64 man Strike at Karkand and instantly applied for commander.  The round just started so I spawned at the bridge to set some mines down.  I hop into commander mode and hey, what do you know, 1 guy is heading toward the suburbs.  I get on the horn spotting him and VOIP players "hey, there's a guy going to suburbs."  What do you know, everyone is too busy to even respond no to me.  So I make my way up to the suburbs and granade the guy at the flag, saving it from the enemy.  I instantly got warned by like 3 of the clan members that "Commanders should command, not fight." 

Now that really got me angry.  I just saved my team from losing a point behind the front, keeping it a 1 way battle (not 2 fronts).  Well, I typed my answer, "what the heck, I just saved the flag cuz no one would spawn back to defend."  I then rolled my eyes and went back into command mode. 

Now a few moments later, the same guy has made it to the cement factory.  He was on the shed roof right beside the flag.  I quickly run up to it unseen and stand less than 4 meters from the enemy.  Now I just stood there for at least 2 minutes spotting the guy and ordering someone to come defend this flag.  What do you know, no one came.  (It was really funny though, the guy knew I was in the flag zone, but couldn't spot me right below him)  Anyway, I stand there long enough to shoot 2 arty strikes on the front line, so I deside to just cap him.  2 shots with my MP7 and he was gone, and even more hilarious, I was kicked before he died. 

I honestly think that the clan who was hosting the server knew what possition I was in and was just sitting there waiting for me to kill the guy.  I don't remember if the guy I killed was in the clan, but my point is, why kick a commander who is actually helping your team.  I killed 2 guys in like 10 minutes of playing and aparently that is a combat commander.

As you probably have guessed, I and nobody in my clan have ever gone back to that server again.

fighting commanders i have no problem with cause i know people can fight and command, but flying commanders.. hell no... they deserve every kick they get

General rule, I don't think Commanders should not fight in a large or medium server.  Fighting means dying, and a dead Commander is a usless Commander.  He hurts the team not just because he is out of commission, and costing the team a ticket, but also because he is no longer watching the action, or using the assets. 

An exception would be the scenario that Drexel describes: you are Commander for an army that has no uncap base, so defending flags might be necessary, or moving to take an empty one.  Drexel, I don't think you did anything wrong (and I am pretty strict about "no fighting commander!" rule), esp. if you were telling the team where there was enemy and you needed help, but no one responded.

As for the original post, those are the times when fighting Commander is okay.  Small 16 man servers, or ones that are half-populated.  Again, cardinal rule is to stay alive.  Other than that, do your best, because a fighting Commander is not an easy job.

re: the mutiny vote, it could have been a points jealousy thing, didn't want you x2.  Of course, that would only come from someone who doesn't understand the point system.  Because I hope people realize by now that the instant you become Commander, you stop getting traditional combat & teamwork points.  If you are Commander, you do not get a point for blowing the enemy UAV, or defending a flag, or two points for reviving someone, or two points for killing someone, etc.

I would say a mutiny in the situation you describe, CaptainSpaulding71, could have been a mistake from someone trying to create/join a squad (that happens sometimes....but the decent thing to do is apologize and explain the mistake!).  Or the points jealousy thing.  But most likely it's the just angry reaction of some kid who doesn't understand the game, and thinks you should put the UAV over his head, and drop him supplies every thirty feet, and lay out a red carpet of artillery which eliminates all enemy between him and the next flag!