Not sure I understand. Would you compare them to the black civil rights movement, the Native Americans, or something else?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4270669.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4270669.stm
The original owners of Australia!!!
Compares to Native Americansusmarine2007 wrote:
Not sure I understand. Would you compare them to the black civil rights movement, the Native Americans, or something else?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4270669.stm
I would compare them to the Native Americans.
Original inhabitants of Australia.
Got treated like shit for 200 years
Original inhabitants of Australia.
Got treated like shit for 200 years
They didn't understand the concept of ownership. They didn't understand the concept of clothing, agriculture, written language or non-nomadic living (ie. housing), either.joker3327 wrote:
The original owners of Australia!!!
Compared to the Native Americans, they we're backwards. And we tried to help out but got into shit for it 100 years later.
Last edited by Cheez (2007-01-12 17:56:25)
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
Heres a Story About Aboriginals that happened a couple of years ago.
There was a family of Aboriginals who lived down the street from me.
By the fortune of a large donation from a person, this unedcated Aboriginal family moved into a cute house down the street. This family was so wild and uneducated, and homesick that they decided to get a piece of life back in the bush. They ripped out the perfectly polished floorboards in their house, and they started burning the floorboards in their front yard. The smell of varnish wafted down the street, as they seriously yelled and danced around the fire. This really Happened. Then, one night, the family had a party over with some more Aboriginal members. They burned ALOT of floorboards that night. There was like a black cloud hanging over their house.
Since it was the holidays, my family went away for 2 weeks. When we came back, the Abo's were gone and the house was for sale. When I asked my mate what happened to them, he just said, dunno, probobly ran out of floorboards.
And thats my Story about aboriginals.
There was a family of Aboriginals who lived down the street from me.
By the fortune of a large donation from a person, this unedcated Aboriginal family moved into a cute house down the street. This family was so wild and uneducated, and homesick that they decided to get a piece of life back in the bush. They ripped out the perfectly polished floorboards in their house, and they started burning the floorboards in their front yard. The smell of varnish wafted down the street, as they seriously yelled and danced around the fire. This really Happened. Then, one night, the family had a party over with some more Aboriginal members. They burned ALOT of floorboards that night. There was like a black cloud hanging over their house.
Since it was the holidays, my family went away for 2 weeks. When we came back, the Abo's were gone and the house was for sale. When I asked my mate what happened to them, he just said, dunno, probobly ran out of floorboards.
And thats my Story about aboriginals.
Australian Aborigines lived in a society where everything is everyones. The whole camp or group shared everything, except one or two items which one Aboriginal called his.
It is believed that they came to Australia over 20,000 years ago when there was an ice shelf between Asia and Oceania.
Whilst the British classed them as "savages", their knowledge on medicinal herbs and roots surrounding Australia was outstanding. Their natural medicine was believed to be alot better than what the Britains had at the time.
Now, In a sense you can relate to them more as Native Americans, mainly because of they way Aborignes and the Native Americans where treated at the time.
It is believed that they came to Australia over 20,000 years ago when there was an ice shelf between Asia and Oceania.
Whilst the British classed them as "savages", their knowledge on medicinal herbs and roots surrounding Australia was outstanding. Their natural medicine was believed to be alot better than what the Britains had at the time.
Now, In a sense you can relate to them more as Native Americans, mainly because of they way Aborignes and the Native Americans where treated at the time.
Good topic, (Seeks to learn something new)
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Well just because they didn't embrace European ideals doesn't mean they were backwards, they just had a different way of doing things. And we didn't help them get out of any shit, we (not my forefathers, the fucking English that came over) stole their land, massacred their people, destroyed their heritage and culture. If you think we "tried to help them" you are fucking deluded, either that or you read too much Andrew Bolt.Cheez wrote:
They didn't understand the concept of ownership. They didn't understand the concept of clothing, agriculture, written language or non-nomadic living (ie. housing), either.joker3327 wrote:
The original owners of Australia!!!
Compared to the Native Americans, they we're backwards. And we tried to help out but got into shit for it 100 years later.
The English settlers treated the Australian Aborigines with more disgust than the American Settlers treated the Native Americans.
Here's a bit of Grey Matter for anyone who thinks the Europeans tried to "help" Aborigines.
List Of Massacres
The Black War, (Genocide of Tasmanian Aborigines)
The Stolen Generation, attempt by White officials to "remove" the black from the aborigines and take them from their homes
I mean for science's sake, up in 1924 there was still massacres of Aborigines taking place and up until 1969 we were still removing Aboriginal children from their parents to "incorporate" them into White society!!!
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Exactly. They were living in a subsistence economy for over 15,000 years. And all of a sudden White Blokes rock up and starts taking their posessions, land and food. They definately would've been like "Zomg wtf 1337 hax?"TeamZephyr wrote:
Well just because they didn't embrace European ideals doesn't mean they were backwards, they just had a different way of doing things.
I definately would've started to rebel against them. If I and my ancestors lived a certain way of life for so long, I wouldn't want anything to change.
today most aborigines are on the doll or still bitching about there land which they will do nothing with.
If they got the land they wanted, what would they do with it?ozzie_johnson wrote:
today most aborigines are on the doll or still bitching about there land which they will do nothing with.
Ah yes, thank for for your accurate commentary Mr Howard.ozzie_johnson wrote:
today most aborigines are on the doll or still bitching about there land which they will do nothing with.
Absolutely nothing.usmarine2007 wrote:
If they got the land they wanted, what would they do with it?ozzie_johnson wrote:
today most aborigines are on the doll or still bitching about there land which they will do nothing with.
Theres a piece of aboriginally owned land no far from me, its a bushfire disaster waiting to happen.
In quite a large residential area.
They certainly would buildnt casino's on it (stereotypical, naive view on what the native americans did with their land)
Last edited by BF2Craglyeye (2007-01-12 19:46:36)
I can't think of a really good comparison. The best I can think of is a cross between Native Americans and African Americans: whilst there wasn't a great degree of war or wholesale slaughter, they were natives who were mistreated. And, whilst few were technically slaves, they were a mistreated underclass who were forced to do work for much loess than it was worth. The two big ones are the Stolen Generation and instances like Maralinga are probably good further reading.
I think it's kinda funny, without white people in Australia, things wouldn't be easier like supermarkets, clothing stores, etc. Easier then making your own clothes and hunting imo.
It is just a way of life for them.joker3327 wrote:
The original owners of Australia!!!
whoa. calm down there. they understood the concept of ownership, but their belief system is centred around respect for the land. they were also nomadic because they understood the cycle of the land, and moved when in need of food or water based on the change in season.Cheez wrote:
They didn't understand the concept of ownership. They didn't understand the concept of clothing, agriculture, written language or non-nomadic living (ie. housing), either.joker3327 wrote:
The original owners of Australia!!!
Compared to the Native Americans, they we're backwards. And we tried to help out but got into shit for it 100 years later.
and i dont call bringing foreign disease, treating them like animals, and hunting them trying to help them.
yes, compared to the native americans they are underdeveloped - but only when we look at what the western developed world expects a society to be.
they definately understand the nature of ownership now - look at the cases of Wik and Mabo regarding native title.
Actually, he's right about ownership. Their resources were communal, and they didn't have any concept of land ownership. He may be a judgemental dipshit, but he was partially right.
You also seemed to ignore they fact that they did wear clothing, but hey...............
You also seemed to ignore they fact that they did wear clothing, but hey...............
Much of traditional aboriginal culture has been lost. For many complex reasons, maily because we fucked with their culture in such a major way when europeans first colonised.
Want to learn about "real" aboriginals? Visit a remote area please and avoid any communities that have alcohol readily available. Some of the traditional culture still exists although the long grass culture is taking over (homelessness, alcohol/marijuana abuse, gambling... all paid for with government wellfare) here in the NT.
Aboriginals do not develop the land they claim, which is a good thing here in the NT, as it helps preserve much of our national heratige.
Aboriginals did not use sustainable techniques for hunting, despite popular belief. Most of Australia's prehistoric large marsupial mammals are extinct due to the impact they had on the land when they first arrived from PNG.
They are great people, well, the ones I know. Just a shame to see the affect that alcohol has on their society. Oh, that and the ones I know here in the NT have a shit work ethic thanks to the wellfare schemes up here. CDEP is a failure here.
Oh and cyborg has a point, but have fun convincing any "long grasser" of it.
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Happy to talk more via PMs and in this thread to anybody who is interested. I have very firm opinions on the subject. I happen to work in a free healthcare clinic (I clean it) for the aboriginals here in Nhulunbuy.
The first true leader I have seen for the aboriginals would be Noel Pearson of northern Queensland, I encourage anybody who is interested in Aboriginals to do some reading about him and the history of the aboriginals and the shit we dragged them through. If Australia becomes a republic any time soon I would happily accept him as our first President.
Want to learn about "real" aboriginals? Visit a remote area please and avoid any communities that have alcohol readily available. Some of the traditional culture still exists although the long grass culture is taking over (homelessness, alcohol/marijuana abuse, gambling... all paid for with government wellfare) here in the NT.
Aboriginals do not develop the land they claim, which is a good thing here in the NT, as it helps preserve much of our national heratige.
Aboriginals did not use sustainable techniques for hunting, despite popular belief. Most of Australia's prehistoric large marsupial mammals are extinct due to the impact they had on the land when they first arrived from PNG.
They are great people, well, the ones I know. Just a shame to see the affect that alcohol has on their society. Oh, that and the ones I know here in the NT have a shit work ethic thanks to the wellfare schemes up here. CDEP is a failure here.
Oh and cyborg has a point, but have fun convincing any "long grasser" of it.
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Happy to talk more via PMs and in this thread to anybody who is interested. I have very firm opinions on the subject. I happen to work in a free healthcare clinic (I clean it) for the aboriginals here in Nhulunbuy.
The first true leader I have seen for the aboriginals would be Noel Pearson of northern Queensland, I encourage anybody who is interested in Aboriginals to do some reading about him and the history of the aboriginals and the shit we dragged them through. If Australia becomes a republic any time soon I would happily accept him as our first President.
Last edited by Flecco (2007-01-13 04:27:25)
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
I think you'll find that by the time Europeans arrived they were living in a fairly sustainable manner.Flecco wrote:
Aboriginals did not use sustainable techniques for hunting, despite popular belief. Most of Australia's prehistoric large marsupial mammals are extinct due to the impact they had on the land when they first arrived from PNG.
Yeah, any animals they could hunt easily were extinct by then.Bubbalo wrote:
I think you'll find that by the time Europeans arrived they were living in a fairly sustainable manner.Flecco wrote:
Aboriginals did not use sustainable techniques for hunting, despite popular belief. Most of Australia's prehistoric large marsupial mammals are extinct due to the impact they had on the land when they first arrived from PNG.
Last edited by Flecco (2007-01-13 04:29:50)
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Exactly. When any animal is added to anb ecosystem it takes time for the system to stabilise.
Yes, I just get sick of people claiming they had a sustainable lifestyle. The only reason that their methods were sustainable was because they couldn't build the necessary population to make it unsustainable. The conditions were too harsh. From what I know of them, they gave very little thought to sustaining the environment in the past, they just assumed that the animals would repopulate eventually.Bubbalo wrote:
Exactly. When any animal is added to anb ecosystem it takes time for the system to stabilise.
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My main sources of information on aboriginal culture are the three people who adopted me into clans up here in the NT. Lost contact with two now though.
Last edited by Flecco (2007-01-13 04:48:18)
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
For a time - for a long time - they were the most advanced humans on the planet. They managed to build fairly long-distance boats long before anyone else. They had religion and religious ceremonies - such as burial and initiation (not to mention some of the more amazing ones) thousands of years before others.Macca wrote:
Australian Aborigines lived in a society where everything is everyones. The whole camp or group shared everything, except one or two items which one Aboriginal called his.
It is believed that they came to Australia over 20,000 years ago when there was an ice shelf between Asia and Oceania.
Whilst the British classed them as "savages", their knowledge on medicinal herbs and roots surrounding Australia was outstanding. Their natural medicine was believed to be alot better than what the Britains had at the time.
Now, In a sense you can relate to them more as Native Americans, mainly because of they way Aborignes and the Native Americans where treated at the time.
Ironically, I think it may be this early advancement which saw their near doom, they became content and didn't bother to progress further. Why should they?
Also, they didn't develop agriculture because, frankly, there was no need for it. It's much easier (and much better in Australia) to fish, hunt, collect fruit and burries than to cultivate a plot of land and farm it.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman