Theoreticly speaking maybe, but in practice I prefer the M11. S12K is almost the same as Jackhammer, so I dont care much.-|V2^Fraggus wrote:
How can you NOT like the jackhammer ... its "teh pwn0r" in close combat. Get some facts straight.
With the jack hammer you can also get on "shot one kill". you have 8 pelts that deal 15 damage = 120 damage when most classes have only 100 health.
the standard engi weapon is 25X8 = 200 damage. Theoretically, but when you move and shoot you never hit all 8 on target so "the jack" with the higher rate of fire get the first prize )).
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Deffinately the M95
M95 Barrett Rifle SPECS:
Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7 x 99mm)
Operation: Bolt Action
Overall Length: 1143 mm
Barrel Length: 737 mm
Feed Device: 5 Round Detachable Box Magazine
Weight: 9.98 kg empty, without scopeљ
Muzzle Velocity: 854 m/s (M33 Ball)
Expected accuracy: about 1 MOA or better with match grade ammunition
Maximum Effective Range: about 1800 meters
M24 RIFLE SPECS:
Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 win)
Operation: Bolt Action
Feed: 5-Round internal magazine
Weight: 5.49 kg empty without telescope
Length: 1092mm
Barrel: 610mm.
Max Effective Range: 800 meters
Expected Accuracy: 1 MOA with M118 (Ammo is limiting factor)
So now (EA) explain to me why the M24 has the same damage capabilities and range in BF2 as the M95. The only advantage to M95 is shooting through glass. This makes no sense to me?
M95 Barrett Rifle SPECS:
Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7 x 99mm)
Operation: Bolt Action
Overall Length: 1143 mm
Barrel Length: 737 mm
Feed Device: 5 Round Detachable Box Magazine
Weight: 9.98 kg empty, without scopeљ
Muzzle Velocity: 854 m/s (M33 Ball)
Expected accuracy: about 1 MOA or better with match grade ammunition
Maximum Effective Range: about 1800 meters
M24 RIFLE SPECS:
Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 win)
Operation: Bolt Action
Feed: 5-Round internal magazine
Weight: 5.49 kg empty without telescope
Length: 1092mm
Barrel: 610mm.
Max Effective Range: 800 meters
Expected Accuracy: 1 MOA with M118 (Ammo is limiting factor)
So now (EA) explain to me why the M24 has the same damage capabilities and range in BF2 as the M95. The only advantage to M95 is shooting through glass. This makes no sense to me?
Last edited by Husker~ifh~ (2006-01-06 09:45:36)
The best gun though is the G36E, or any guns from the g36 family. deadly accurate, but not as much power as we may like. but the g36e seems to be much more powerful than the g36c. 2 bursts and the guy is down. how easy is that! You can even lay down, with another guy laying down 30 yards away from you, and you can get him.
The G36E is more powerful than the G36C because the barrel is longer and thus the gun is more accurate and has a higher muzzle velocity
Anyone who says the M95/PKM/L85 is WORSE than the MP5/Type 85 is STUPID. Remember the topic people, it's the WORST unlock/weapon in the game, not which weapons you like and don't like. If people kick ass with the M95/PKM/L85 then OBVIOUSLY it doesn't suck does it? Find me anyone who uses the MP5/Type 85 as a main weapon or considers it his favorite instead of the DAO-12 and you'll have some substance to your argument. Otherwise I'll assume we can all agree that the MP5/Type 85 are the WORST weapons.
oh yea smoke grenade definitely, what do they have, a 3 foot radius maybe. You can see through the smoke anywayg0ltes. wrote:
L85A1 and smoke grenade :p
no its not more accurate, but much more powerfulfikraag7 wrote:
The G36E is more powerful than the G36C because the barrel is longer and thus the gun is more accurate and has a higher muzzle velocity
the L85A1 is a PIECE OF SHIT, how can you not see that8th{E}_SpawnXG wrote:
Wow, we must have a group of unskilled people here I must say. All the medic unlocks are good. Both the L8 and g36e. Yes, the latter is better, but out of ALL the UNLOCKABLES, you pick the L8? That thing snipes better then the friggin M95 does. Just because you can't ALWAYS spray with it and hit your target doesn't mean it sucks. Sharqi Pen. I'll prone on a hill and hit people twice from across the map and kill em. Granted I'm not a medic alot so what's that tell ya. I like to go for my badges so I use each kit evenly. If you checl ( 8th{E}_SpawnXG ) you'll see I have each around 15 - 20 hours. Spec ops is a bit more cause I like the pistol.
Anywho, my most useless unlock is the G3. WAIT ! I say this because I don't use assault much at all. When I do, I like to be able to shoot my grenades, cause I suck ass at throwing them. Lol. No, I'm not a "noob toober." I just prefer to hit something when I aim at it. Hand grenades, I'm not so hot with.
Overall, I say the most useless unlock would be the...
M95.
Reason: It's good for body shooting then pistoling, but overall as a sniper it removes that player from the game and is worthless to his team. Unless maybe, you use it as a supporting unit to steal/weaken kills.
The End.
They all sucks except DAO-12
A longer barrel means higher muzzle velocity and a flatter trajectory (because of the extra rifling), thus more accurate and more damage.Anima05 wrote:
no its not more accurate, but much more powerfulfikraag7 wrote:
The G36E is more powerful than the G36C because the barrel is longer and thus the gun is more accurate and has a higher muzzle velocity
That may be the case in RL, but unfortunately it is not that way in the game. The G36E is less accurate than the G36C.fikraag7 wrote:
A longer barrel means higher muzzle velocity and a flatter trajectory (because of the extra rifling), thus more accurate and more damage.Anima05 wrote:
no its not more accurate, but much more powerfulfikraag7 wrote:
The G36E is more powerful than the G36C because the barrel is longer and thus the gun is more accurate and has a higher muzzle velocity
Also, a question: if that is the case, wouldn't the MG36 be as accurate than the G36E? They have the same barrel length.
IRL, there is no gun called the MG36; the G36 can use dual-drum 100 round mags that allow it to be used as a light machine gun
Can't believe the mp7 hasn't been brought up more often. I'd rather take a superior close-range weapon rather than a weapon that can't do shit at close or long range.
The rifling has nothing to do with it. A longer barrel does usually mean a higher velocity and a "flatter trajectory" (depending on the powder charge in the round) but the extra length of rifling doesn't mean anything.fikraag7 wrote:
A longer barrel means higher muzzle velocity and a flatter trajectory (because of the extra rifling), thus more accurate and more damage.Anima05 wrote:
no its not more accurate, but much more powerfulfikraag7 wrote:
The G36E is more powerful than the G36C because the barrel is longer and thus the gun is more accurate and has a higher muzzle velocity
"Flatter trajectory" is simply a matter of higher velocity allowing the bullet to impact the target with less drop due to gravity. A 24" barreled rifle which fires a round at 3000fps will not have any flatter of a trajectory than will an 18" barreled gun firing at that same speed. (Simple physics and something that adolescent paintball players in particular need to learn. Sorry kid, your gun firing at 300fps cannot possibly fire any further than my gun firing at 300fps no matter how much you paid for it.) But since most rounds are designed for use with longer barrels, firing it from a carbine length barrel will result in an incomplete powder burn and less velocity. Ergo, it's in the air longer before it reaches the target which lets gravity drag it further down. So you've gotta aim higher with a shorter barrel.
Once the bullet has engaged the rifling in the barrel and has been stablized, it doesn't get steadier. In fact, theoretically, the bullet only needs enough rifling to impart the initial spin. Anything more is just adding friction.
Longer barrel does not automatically = more accuracy. Strap two barrels of differning length to an immovable testing rig and you'll see this. In real world situations though, a longer barreled gun will likely be more accurate but this is due more to sight picture and trajectory than some inherent mechanical accuracy. It's simply easier to shoot a longer barreled gun accurately.
None of this takes into account any manufacturing processes or inherent accuracy issues with a particular gun. MANY factors play into why one gun (even with very similar specs) may not be as accurate as another.
Last edited by DobermanDog (2006-01-06 15:32:12)
You guys crazy saying the G3 sucks... It actually raised my K/D. But I do switch back and forth to the F2000. It just depends. If the clip was bigger it would be quit unfair. It's actually accurate, CQC it is devastating, but find myself blown to bits while reloading every second, it's the only gun besides the sniper, shottys that have a high damage and kills with 3 hits. but there are different places for different guns, I wouldn't use the G3 on Wake...
The worthless piece of weapons have to be the mines, shottys,smoke grenade and SCAR-L; basically the engineering kit. Once you get past the CQC you better switch kits or find a tank.
The worthless piece of weapons have to be the mines, shottys,smoke grenade and SCAR-L; basically the engineering kit. Once you get past the CQC you better switch kits or find a tank.
I hate the L85, but im glad i unlocked it so i could get the G36E.
Strange, that hasn't been a big problem for me.Berserk_Vampire wrote:
The other is the Enginers standard pump action shotgun its pretty useless i mean i know you can kill some one with one shot in close range but you miss most of the time and compared to doa and other shotguns its just crappy
Well I'm not the biggest Jackhammer user, but I can see were you're coming from. Although I haven't seen one shot kills with the Jackhammer, the huge rate of fire can make it brutal. My two main problems with it are:-|V2^Fraggus wrote:
How can you NOT like the jackhammer ... its "teh pwn0r" in close combat. Get some facts straight.
With the jack hammer you can also get on "shot one kill". you have 8 pelts that deal 15 damage = 120 damage when most classes have only 100 health.
the standard engi weapon is 25X8 = 200 damage. Theoretically, but when you move and shoot you never hit all 8 on target so "the jack" with the higher rate of fire get the first prize )).
1. If you're facing more then one guy you're dead more often then not. People usually pump in more shots then they have to in order to kill an enemey. It's hard to kill two people on the same magazine, almost immpossible to kill three. On the other hand the pumpys are much easier to control and there are far fewer wasted shots. Tying into the wasted shots part is the large number of unused shells that get thrown away when you reload, quite frankly I wouldn't want to go into a fight with any less then five shells in my Jackhammer.
2. Useless at medium ranges. I'm not saying the M11-87 is exactly great at anything beyond 15 metres but at least it has a shot.
My conclusion on the shotgun issue is that the Jackhammer is a more specialized weapon then the M11-87, with its absolutley dominance at very short range and against a single foe it's the weapon of choice for constant tank users who need it to hop out and gun down a spec ops that has C4'd their vehicle. For the ground pounding engys the pumpy is the better way to go.
As for the actual topic...
Most dissapointing unlock - DAO-12. I really dislike this gun, I would go into more detail but it's after 2 AM here. This weapon was an extra dissapointment because it was my first unlock and I had to wait a long time for my next one and I was kicking myself the whole time for choosing it.
Favorite unlock - G36c. Solid damage, good rate of fire, very low recoil. All around excellent gun.
Favorite regular weapon - M11-87. I've covered this before.
And yes I agree about the mines, the ability to simply shoot them away is an awful feature that takes away from an already somewhat disadvantaged class.
I'd like to take the L85A1 off my list of worst unlocks. I used it today just for the hell of it, and I found it very suitable. It's a good close or close-mid range weapon. However it let me down when I tried to shoot this guy who wasn't all that far away. If I had a G36E on me he would have been dead in one burst. I fired single shots at the guy repeatedly. Not one of them hit. I could see where they did hit though - a lot of them hit over a metre away from where I aimed them. That wasn't cool. Close range though, I found it quite good.
I would still use the G36E over the L85A1, and the fact that getting the L85A1 led me to get the G36E takes the L85A1 off my worst unlocks list.
I'm sad to say though that my remaining confidence in the M95 has been taken away. I think I'll wait until the next patch where EA will improve it before I do any serious Sniping again. As a sniper rifle it's bordering on pathetic.
The programmers need to realise that this is a sniper rifle, which is superior to all other weapons in terms of accuracy. Where you aim is where you hit. Bullets don't just go flying sideways for no reason as they do in BF2 now. The Sniper rifles are above all 'deviations'. When a Sniper's skill is determined by luck you know something is wrong.
I would still use the G36E over the L85A1, and the fact that getting the L85A1 led me to get the G36E takes the L85A1 off my worst unlocks list.
I'm sad to say though that my remaining confidence in the M95 has been taken away. I think I'll wait until the next patch where EA will improve it before I do any serious Sniping again. As a sniper rifle it's bordering on pathetic.
The programmers need to realise that this is a sniper rifle, which is superior to all other weapons in terms of accuracy. Where you aim is where you hit. Bullets don't just go flying sideways for no reason as they do in BF2 now. The Sniper rifles are above all 'deviations'. When a Sniper's skill is determined by luck you know something is wrong.
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wow you guys werent kidding when you said the L85A1 unlock is SHIT im so glad ive finally got to try it so now i know for sure i wont be unlocking it.
the reason i wanted to unlock it was well because its a really nice looking gun and automatic and i hate the crappy m16 for the medic.
damn this thing is crap besides the good looks and colors of the gun its accuracy is horrible after 3 shoots the grosshair gets bigger then my asshole! and thats big.
I dont like the zoom either its useless shooting it in even bursts even 3 or 4 bursts it will spray all over the place like a hose its only decent shooting one at a time im so glad i got to use this crap i wont be unlocking it.
I dont know what im gonna unlock next i think the SCAR-L i tried it and it seems really good.
the reason i wanted to unlock it was well because its a really nice looking gun and automatic and i hate the crappy m16 for the medic.
damn this thing is crap besides the good looks and colors of the gun its accuracy is horrible after 3 shoots the grosshair gets bigger then my asshole! and thats big.
I dont like the zoom either its useless shooting it in even bursts even 3 or 4 bursts it will spray all over the place like a hose its only decent shooting one at a time im so glad i got to use this crap i wont be unlocking it.
I dont know what im gonna unlock next i think the SCAR-L i tried it and it seems really good.
L85A1 = Piece of Shit.
the only thing the L85 is good for , is to unlock the G36E.
exactlyatlvolunteer wrote:
That may be the case in RL, but unfortunately it is not that way in the game. The G36E is less accurate than the G36C.fikraag7 wrote:
A longer barrel means higher muzzle velocity and a flatter trajectory (because of the extra rifling), thus more accurate and more damage.Anima05 wrote:
no its not more accurate, but much more powerful
Also, a question: if that is the case, wouldn't the MG36 be as accurate than the G36E? They have the same barrel length.
the PKM kills in 3 hits tooimdead wrote:
You guys crazy saying the G3 sucks... It actually raised my K/D. But I do switch back and forth to the F2000. It just depends. If the clip was bigger it would be quit unfair. It's actually accurate, CQC it is devastating, but find myself blown to bits while reloading every second, it's the only gun besides the sniper, shottys that have a high damage and kills with 3 hits. but there are different places for different guns, I wouldn't use the G3 on Wake...
The worthless piece of weapons have to be the mines, shottys,smoke grenade and SCAR-L; basically the engineering kit. Once you get past the CQC you better switch kits or find a tank.
Worst unlock: M95 or the G3. The M95 is too inconsistant for a sniper and has huge sights. The G3 is just too inaccurate: it has worst accuracy of all the 3 stock assault rifles. The PKM is ok. The G36C is worthless... its basically a chinese carbine that looks cooler.
The SF engineer unlock (the Mac-10/Uzi type thing) would be cool if it replaced your normal pistol. It makes sense, because engineers have no medium range weapon except for the pistol, which is garbage. I would actually unlock that thing if it replaced your pistol.
The SF engineer unlock (the Mac-10/Uzi type thing) would be cool if it replaced your normal pistol. It makes sense, because engineers have no medium range weapon except for the pistol, which is garbage. I would actually unlock that thing if it replaced your pistol.
Last edited by Sh4rkb1t3 (2006-01-07 20:11:50)
Wow, a lot of haters of the L85. I love this weapon.
For me, it's the M95. The SVD and M24 are way better.
For me, it's the M95. The SVD and M24 are way better.
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