Funny, Germany had a similar weapon in WWII. All that time and now people are just finally coming back around to that idea. Germany's variant however, destroyed the ammo inside the barrel and more or less fired shrapnel at the enemy combatant. Definitely wouldn't want to have been hit by that.mjs1973 wrote:
Have any of you watched the show Future Weapons? They have a gun that will keep the shooter safe. It is also a weapon being produced by the Israeli's called the corner shot: Corner Shot
What happened to the SCAR program? I thought the SEALs officially changed to the SCAR? Gun is really nice, better than the XM8 in my opinion.
shut up. guns are stupid.Stingray24 wrote:
Yet another reason to vote Rep and not Dem. Elected Dems don't like guns, even for the military. Clashes with their anti-war platform.
Wow that was a really mature and thought out post, you fail. Stupid hippy.jermyang wrote:
shut up. guns are stupid.Stingray24 wrote:
Yet another reason to vote Rep and not Dem. Elected Dems don't like guns, even for the military. Clashes with their anti-war platform.
Not trying to stir up trouble but is the G36 really that good? Yes its a good gun in BF2 has it been battletested in real life?
I thought that the U.S would never ever issue a gun to its troops unless it was made entirely by the U.S so that the could have total control over their guns.
I heard this is the reason that the L85A2 exists, and is issued
I thought that the U.S would never ever issue a gun to its troops unless it was made entirely by the U.S so that the could have total control over their guns.
I heard this is the reason that the L85A2 exists, and is issued
G36 is a great gun, though a lot of people are playing BF2 and thinking they have experience with guns because of that, well actually, people play ANY game and think they know everything about those guns.wah1188 wrote:
Not trying to stir up trouble but is the G36 really that good? Yes its a good gun in BF2 has it been battletested in real life?
I thought that the U.S would never ever issue a gun to its troops unless it was made entirely by the U.S so that the could have total control over their guns.
I heard this is the reason that the L85A2 exists, and is issued
The M9 Beretta is made in Italy.
Oh duh my bad sorry, its just that I thought in the event of a war between the countries that one will obviously stop producing guns for the other one if you get what I mean. Then again Italians were never good at war were they?Commie Killer wrote:
G36 is a great gun, though a lot of people are playing BF2 and thinking they have experience with guns because of that, well actually, people play ANY game and think they know everything about those guns.wah1188 wrote:
Not trying to stir up trouble but is the G36 really that good? Yes its a good gun in BF2 has it been battletested in real life?
I thought that the U.S would never ever issue a gun to its troops unless it was made entirely by the U.S so that the could have total control over their guns.
I heard this is the reason that the L85A2 exists, and is issued
The M9 Beretta is made in Italy.
I believe that they should just re-issue the M-14. Although I heard the perfect saying for the old girl, it's just too good. It can shoot out to 1000 meters accurately and no one does that now. The other downside is it's heavier than an M-16, both rifle and ammo wise. Another point is the M-14 is only semi-auto, yes they had full auto versions back in the day but it's too light for full auto fire with a 7.62x51 round, so the recoil is uncontrollable for most people. What we're really getting into here is that there isn't a suitable weapon that can fill every role our military needs. For example, if I'm in close quarters I want something that can go full auto and still be controllable, so I would probably choose something in the 5.56 category, although I love the M-14 it's not a good close range weapon, sure it'll put the guy down but an M-4 is much more suited to indoor work. Outdoors and at range, well the M-14 is the winner with that 7.62 round. The AK may have worked for the world but I seriously doubt I'll be seeing a mass issue of AK's to the military in my lifetime. I believe that the SCAR is a good choice for a battle rifle due to it's ability to adapt to different roles easily, I suggest you watch the video link that was posted earlier in the topic. Now on the subject of the XM-8, if you go here, http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm and then scroll down to where it says XM8 status update (September 2005) in bold letters you will see that it was suspended so they can rethink the requirements. Todays warfare is a lot different than what it was when the M-16 was designed. All weapons have both their strengths and weaknesses, and saying one can fit every role is like trying to find a Unicorn beside a pot of gold and the end of a rainbow in India. Also you have to remember, not every person on this site has military or firearm experience, it's one thing for a civilian to say they think it works, but it's something drastically different for a soldier to tell you if a certain weapon actually works in the field.
Edit: here's the link to the SCAR video for those of you who don't want to search, thanks to thtthht.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_V2wvk2F6A
Edit: here's the link to the SCAR video for those of you who don't want to search, thanks to thtthht.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_V2wvk2F6A
Last edited by bob_6012 (2007-01-31 17:48:57)
Fucking amazing post.bob_6012 wrote:
I believe that they should just re-issue the M-14. Although I heard the perfect saying for the old girl, it's just too good. It can shoot out to 1000 meters accurately and no one does that now. The other downside is it's heavier than an M-16, both rifle and ammo wise. Another point is the M-14 is only semi-auto, yes they had full auto versions back in the day but it's too light for full auto fire with a 7.62x51 round, so the recoil is uncontrollable for most people. What we're really getting into here is that there isn't a suitable weapon that can fill every role our military needs. For example, if I'm in close quarters I want something that can go full auto and still be controllable, so I would probably choose something in the 5.56 category, although I love the M-14 it's not a good close range weapon, sure it'll put the guy down but an M-4 is much more suited to indoor work. Outdoors and at range, well the M-14 is the winner with that 7.62 round. The AK may have worked for the world but I seriously doubt I'll be seeing a mass issue of AK's to the military in my lifetime. I believe that the SCAR is a good choice for a battle rifle due to it's ability to adapt to different roles easily, I suggest you watch the video link that was posted earlier in the topic. Now on the subject of the XM-8, if you go here, http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm and then scroll down to where it says XM8 status update (September 2005) in bold letters you will see that it was suspended so they can rethink the requirements. Todays warfare is a lot different than what it was when the M-16 was designed. All weapons have both their strengths and weaknesses, and saying one can fit every role is like trying to find a Unicorn beside a pot of gold and the end of a rainbow in India. Also you have to remember, not every person on this site has military or firearm experience, it's one thing for a civilian to say they think it works, but it's something drastically different for a soldier to tell you if a certain weapon actually works in the field.
Edit: here's the link to the SCAR video for those of you who don't want to search, thanks to thtthht.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_V2wvk2F6A
for the first two years, but after that the M9's were made in the US according to the contract.Commie Killer wrote:
The M9 Beretta is made in Italy.
They tried. It got cancelled for 'not showing enough improvement', despite still firing after being dragged through mud, switching between variants in seconds, being more accurate, lighter, and looking more sci-fi.
Go look up the XM8, and you'll see how stubborn they are to not fund anything new.
Go look up the XM8, and you'll see how stubborn they are to not fund anything new.