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2007-02-02 17:29:42
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|7100

m3thod wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

It's quite possible to be alert without being paranoid.  I would describe much of London's law enforcement this way, at least from what I've seen of the terror busts lately.

Granted, they did fly off the handle when they shot that Brazilian guy to death.
Yeah they know what their doing but not sure what the hell happened with that guy.  I remember reading something that said that they confronted him and he ran.  Hopefully they learned from that and won't make similar mistakes.
He was overstaying his visa and that was illegal, when confronted it was fight or flight and unfortunately he made the wrong decision.  Wrong guy, wrong place.
From my opinion based on reading pretty much all the information in the public domain (and arguing on these forums a fair bit ), he didn't know they were chasing him until they forced him to the floor.  All the witnesses say he went through the ticket barrier as normal, then started to run afterwards.  I went through stockwell for college for 2 years and I know you can hear the wind from the train from the top of the stairs, and I know that anyone thinking of running would not even bother to try and run for the trains, as the police can get them stopped in seconds.  If he'd wanted to run he'd have gone back out of the barrier and made a dash for the large council estates surrounding the area, perhaps running through traffic to avoid pursuit.  There are rough estates within a few minutes sprint that police generally only attend in riot gear, or at least there were at the time.  He was jumped on from behind, pinned to the floor, and shot nine times before he could react. 

It was a massive cock-up because a copper was taking a piss when Jean Charles de Menezes left his house (where the terrorists under surveilance lived, but in a different flat) so they didn't get any pictures of his face, and the two undercovers on the bus he got didn't manage to get a good enough look to ID him for his entire journey on the number 2, which you can trust me, get's so packed you can barely move when it gets to Brixton.  The police made the wrong decision in this case, not him.

But the upside is that such sequences of bad luck and deviance from procedure don't happen very often.  And they don't seem to repeat the same mistakes once they make them (touchwood).
2007-02-02 21:23:51
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7142|NJ
Ok in this situation I would have much rather seen one cop car and a bomb sniffing dog(yes we do have those) checking them out as appose to wasting a ton of time and resources. Also I really hope that ATHF makes a episode about something like this, it seems that it would be really funny.
2007-02-03 08:34:59
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

madmurre wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

If you are a terrorist and you want to kill a bunch of people, you're going to want your bombs to be inconspicuous...  In other words, not fucking noticable.  Bombs will usually come in the form of something simple or will be placed in an area not typically searched (like a trashcan in the middle of a crowded area).

They're not going to be flashing lights saying "HEY LOOK AT ME! I'M A MOONINITE!!!"

It's just that logic was completely thrown out the window due to fear.  I bet some kid familiar with the show decided to play a prank on his city by calling in a bomb threat concerning one of the signs, and then the police ran with it....

EDIT: And another thing...  How many terrorists probably watch ATHF?  Why would they pick an obscure show to associate their bombs with?  It just makes no fucking sense.
Sometimes the best way to hide something is to place it right infront of the seekers eye.
Yes, but why AHTF?  That's the most telling detail of the insanity of Boston's reaction.  By choosing a show that most people won't know about, it will only attract attention, and as we've seen now, inspire paranoia in some dumber people.

In other words, the terrorists would have picked a show that most people recognize, so that they would assume it's advertising.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-02-03 08:35:36)

2007-02-03 08:36:38
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command
I'm sure somebody has pointed out that these are the same people that continue to elect Ted Kennedy time and again and again and again...
Kinda explains a lot doesn't it.
2007-02-03 08:37:36
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7131|United States of America
I would've rearranged the LiteBrites to say dirty words. The things they made looked like the aliens from Space Invaders.
2007-02-03 08:38:20
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Our competent security forces would have nipped it in the bud.  You know people that get the intelligence right
http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page275.asp
Chapter 3: The current position: 1998-2002

1. This chapter sets out what we know of Saddam's chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missile programmes, drawing on all the available evidence. While it takes account of the results from UN inspections and other publicly available information, it also draws heavily on the latest intelligence about Iraqi efforts to develop their programmes and capabilities since 1998. The main conclusions are that:

    *
      Iraq has a useable chemical and biological weapons capability, in breach of UNSCR 687, which has included recent production of chemical and biological agents;
    *
      Saddam continues to attach great importance to the possession of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, which he regards as being the basis for Iraq's regional power. He is determined to retain these capabilities;
    *
      Iraq can deliver chemical and biological agents using an extensive range of artillery shells, free-fall bombs, sprayers and ballistic missiles;
    *
      Iraq continues to work on developing nuclear weapons, in breach of its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and in breach of UNSCR 687. Uranium has been sought from Africa that has no civil nuclear application in Iraq;
    *
      Iraq possesses extended-range versions of the SCUD ballistic missile in breach of UNSCR 687, which are capable of reaching Cyprus, Eastern Turkey, Tehran and Israel. It is also developing longer range ballistic missiles;
    *
      Iraq's current military planning specifically envisages the use of chemical and biological weapons;
    *
      Iraq's military forces are able to use chemical and biological weapons, with command, control and logistical arrangements in place. The Iraqi military are able to deploy these weapons within forty five minutes of a decision to do so;
    *
      Iraq has learnt lessons from previous UN weapons inspections and is already taking steps to conceal and disperse sensitive equipment and documentation in advance of the return of inspectors;
    *
      Iraq's chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles programmes are well-funded.
Good point...  practically the entire 1st World fucked up when assuming what Saddam's capabilities were.  The difference is that several countries later determined that the intelligence was faulty before we even entered Iraq.  Essentially, we used outdated intel to justify the Iraq invasion.
2007-02-03 08:49:11
[-DER-]Omega
membeR
+188|7273|Lithuania
https://bf3s.com/sigs/fe717ed1eb823c939460a42f15bced7dd0057c51.png
2007-02-03 08:52:03
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7047|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Good point...  practically the entire 1st World fucked up when assuming what Saddam's capabilities were.  The difference is that several countries later determined that the intelligence was faulty before we even entered Iraq.  Essentially, we used outdated intel to justify the Iraq invasion.
Actually the intel was not outdated, it just was not very deep. Saddam had been trying to portray himself as a bigger threat than he was. Why you may ask? To keep the Iranians from looking in his direction. You can see now that he is gone what the Iranians are doing. Iran might have been the only real threat all along. Ooops.

Now that the world see's the US not as someone protecting itself, but rather imperialistic blood thirsty warmonger, it makes it extremely hard to justify addressing the real threats like that attention whore running Iran. That my friend is what you call an Apocalyptic Fuck Up.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-03 08:52:22)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-02-03 08:53:18
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

My list of dumbest states would go something like this.

1.California, ( until LA and Frisco fall into the ocean)

2. Massachusetts.

3. The rest of the blue states.
My newly revised list would be something like this....

1. Mississippi

2. Louisiana

3. Alabama

4. South Carolina

5. Kansas

6. West Virginia

7. South Dakota

8. Utah

9. Massachusetts

10. Tennessee

(North Carolina also gets a dishonorable mention for the Bible Belt. )

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-02-03 09:02:48)

2007-02-03 09:00:20
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Good point...  practically the entire 1st World fucked up when assuming what Saddam's capabilities were.  The difference is that several countries later determined that the intelligence was faulty before we even entered Iraq.  Essentially, we used outdated intel to justify the Iraq invasion.
Actually the intel was not outdated, it just was not very deep. Saddam had been trying to portray himself as a bigger threat than he was. Why you may ask? To keep the Iranians from looking in his direction. You can see now that he is gone what the Iranians are doing. Iran might have been the only real threat all along. Ooops.

Now that the world see's the US not as someone protecting itself, but rather imperialistic blood thirsty warmonger, it makes it extremely hard to justify addressing the real threats like that attention whore running Iran. That my friend is what you call an Apocalyptic Fuck Up.
I disagree.  We spend too much time on Iran and Iraq, and not enough time on Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia.  Those last 3 nations are truly causes for concern.
2007-02-03 09:02:19
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7047|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Good point...  practically the entire 1st World fucked up when assuming what Saddam's capabilities were.  The difference is that several countries later determined that the intelligence was faulty before we even entered Iraq.  Essentially, we used outdated intel to justify the Iraq invasion.
Actually the intel was not outdated, it just was not very deep. Saddam had been trying to portray himself as a bigger threat than he was. Why you may ask? To keep the Iranians from looking in his direction. You can see now that he is gone what the Iranians are doing. Iran might have been the only real threat all along. Ooops.

Now that the world see's the US not as someone protecting itself, but rather imperialistic blood thirsty warmonger, it makes it extremely hard to justify addressing the real threats like that attention whore running Iran. That my friend is what you call an Apocalyptic Fuck Up.
I disagree.  We spend too much time on Iran and Iraq, and not enough time on Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia.  Those last 3 nations are truly causes for concern.
Same idea, we are in diplomatic quick sand.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-02-03 09:05:13
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Actually the intel was not outdated, it just was not very deep. Saddam had been trying to portray himself as a bigger threat than he was. Why you may ask? To keep the Iranians from looking in his direction. You can see now that he is gone what the Iranians are doing. Iran might have been the only real threat all along. Ooops.

Now that the world see's the US not as someone protecting itself, but rather imperialistic blood thirsty warmonger, it makes it extremely hard to justify addressing the real threats like that attention whore running Iran. That my friend is what you call an Apocalyptic Fuck Up.
I disagree.  We spend too much time on Iran and Iraq, and not enough time on Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia.  Those last 3 nations are truly causes for concern.
Same idea, we are in diplomatic quick sand.
Well, that can mostly be blamed on us giving the U.N. the finger.  Besides, we'd have plenty of troops and funding necessary for finishing our mission in Afghanistan and stabilizing Pakistan, if we'd only leave Iraq.  Iraq is an expensive lost cause -- fuck 'em.
2007-02-03 09:25:55
{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy
Member
+69|7155|th3 unkn0wn

m3thod wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Our competent security forces would have nipped it in the bud.  You know people that get the intelligence right
http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page275.asp
Chapter 3: The current position: 1998-2002

1. This chapter sets out what we know of Saddam's chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missile programmes, drawing on all the available evidence. While it takes account of the results from UN inspections and other publicly available information, it also draws heavily on the latest intelligence about Iraqi efforts to develop their programmes and capabilities since 1998. The main conclusions are that:

    *
      Iraq has a useable chemical and biological weapons capability, in breach of UNSCR 687, which has included recent production of chemical and biological agents;
    *
      Saddam continues to attach great importance to the possession of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, which he regards as being the basis for Iraq's regional power. He is determined to retain these capabilities;
    *
      Iraq can deliver chemical and biological agents using an extensive range of artillery shells, free-fall bombs, sprayers and ballistic missiles;
    *
      Iraq continues to work on developing nuclear weapons, in breach of its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and in breach of UNSCR 687. Uranium has been sought from Africa that has no civil nuclear application in Iraq;
    *
      Iraq possesses extended-range versions of the SCUD ballistic missile in breach of UNSCR 687, which are capable of reaching Cyprus, Eastern Turkey, Tehran and Israel. It is also developing longer range ballistic missiles;
    *
      Iraq's current military planning specifically envisages the use of chemical and biological weapons;
    *
      Iraq's military forces are able to use chemical and biological weapons, with command, control and logistical arrangements in place. The Iraqi military are able to deploy these weapons within forty five minutes of a decision to do so;
    *
      Iraq has learnt lessons from previous UN weapons inspections and is already taking steps to conceal and disperse sensitive equipment and documentation in advance of the return of inspectors;
    *
      Iraq's chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles programmes are well-funded.
Ah come on man, if you read futher down i posted maybe i should change it to generally competant security forces....
Our security forces ARE competent! The Brazilian affair wosn't even a blip on the radar. We were "just making sure". Terrorist or not they'll put you down AND THEN ask your mourning relatives the procedural questions afterwards - that's how good our police force - terrorists/would be terrorists/mistaken terrorists don't even stand a chance!

Last edited by {HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy (2007-02-03 09:26:51)

2007-02-03 09:29:35
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7047|132 and Bush

{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy wrote:

Our security forces ARE competent! The Brazilian affair wosn't even a blip on the radar. We were "just making sure". Terrorist or not they'll put you down AND THEN ask your mourning relatives the procedural questions afterwards - that's how good our police force - terrorists/would be terrorists/mistaken terrorists don't even stand a chance!
Can someone translate this please? Is it happy hour already?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-02-03 09:32:05
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6813|Columbus, Ohio

Kmarion wrote:

{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy wrote:

Our security forces ARE competent! The Brazilian affair wosn't even a blip on the radar. We were "just making sure". Terrorist or not they'll put you down AND THEN ask your mourning relatives the procedural questions afterwards - that's how good our police force - terrorists/would be terrorists/mistaken terrorists don't even stand a chance!
Can someone translate this please? Is it happy hour already?
I think it is around 5:30.
2007-02-03 09:33:11
cablecopulate
Member
+449|7184|Massachusetts.
https://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/cablecopulate/athf.jpg
2007-02-03 09:41:05
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy wrote:

Our security forces ARE competent! The Brazilian affair wosn't even a blip on the radar. We were "just making sure". Terrorist or not they'll put you down AND THEN ask your mourning relatives the procedural questions afterwards - that's how good our police force - terrorists/would be terrorists/mistaken terrorists don't even stand a chance!
Can someone translate this please? Is it happy hour already?
Sarcasm...  Very thick sarcasm... 
2007-02-03 09:42:10
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6899|Ontario, Canada
this is another lame thread
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
2007-02-03 10:57:00
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7093
What do you expect from a city with it's own accent. Can someone say inbred much?
2007-06-06 19:54:52
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7208

m3thod wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

flashy light bulbs scared a load of Americans. 

Terrorists have got you lot by the goolies.
Something tells me if there were flashing lights in a London subway, the same thing would have happened.  Tell me I am wrong.
You're wrong.  Brits have been fighting terror for a long time, shit like this wont get a eyelid bat.
Oh....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/nort … 725601.stm
2007-06-06 19:57:22
Villain{NY}
Banned
+44|6790|New York
As a Yankee fan I couldn't agree more with the thread title.
2007-06-06 19:58:03
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7208

Villain{NY} wrote:

As a Yankee fan I couldn't agree more with the thread title.
Ya..Yankees have a ton to boast about this year.
2007-06-06 20:00:12
Villain{NY}
Banned
+44|6790|New York

usmarine2005 wrote:

Villain{NY} wrote:

As a Yankee fan I couldn't agree more with the thread title.
Ya..Yankees have a ton to boast about this year.
Season is young my friend.
2007-06-06 21:22:04
13rin
Member
+977|6925

m3thod wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

m3thod wrote:


All i saw was well edited video and listened to a wanky pokey soundtrack.  Show me a unedited video from conception to finished product.  Not that don't realise home made bombs are a reality.  I don't buy the James Bond pen bomb.

BTW I mocked your source, not you.  Seriously did you expect anything less with THAT sentence.
If you do not think it is possible and plausible, then so be it.  I dealt with explosives for a few years, and I can tell you there is damn near nothing man made that cannot be turned into a bomb.  Believe what you want.
As much as i would like to investigate your claims further, i must stress i am from an ethnic background and newly gained knowledge; how to make a bomb from a pair of tights and some moisturiser would be me into her majesty's pleasure faster than i can blink.
Binary is some nasty stuff.

http://www.mrel.com/FIXOR.html

I think the pen bomb is faked video is fake though.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2007-06-06 21:32:40
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6774

topic is to old for me to care anymore...
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.

 

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