I find the only way you can hit an enemy Gunship is either when it's hovering on its side, or when you're tailing it from behind. Any other time the missles will go straight past it.<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:
i go for the gunship first on titan mode, and if i get it i kinda stalk around the enemy titan till i find their gunship. once i see it i follow it for a while, one its going straight ahead or hovering, i unload all ma missles *NOTE* dont try and hit the other gunship while its turning.
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1) This isn't BF2. Stop comparing it. Get over it, and adapt.Magius5.0 wrote:
So I've come under the assumption that DICE now hates aircraft, based on level design and after what they put us through in BF2. Anti-air everywhere, Walkers are death squads for aircraft, and I've recently been getting pissed off about the SAAW-86 AA launcher. Doesn't mean I haven't gotten even, though; when used properly, a gunship can make a killing blow on any vehicle in a single volley and with a competent gunner.
So in my opinion, aircraft need to stay as-is, except drastically reduce the respawn time. Waiting 90 seconds for any vehicle (except walkers) is just plain silly. And maybe a bit more armor so walkers don't chew them up so quickly. Everything else, is fine, and heres why:
*TV missile fixed in 1.10 patch so you can bulls-eye targets. You need a steady hand though, because its nowhere near as easy as it was in BF2.
*One full pilot volley kills a tank; most of the time when I get straffed, I never see it coming, and even if I get my shields up, they'll nail me in the next pass more than likely, unless I pull some desperate measures (pepper with Tank HMG, land a tank shell in their cockpit, etc). Same thing for APC's and other gunships, but sometimes the missiles zonk out and miss completely; that pisses me off.
*These suckers can maneuver something fierce; not the same dogfighting as in BF2, but of a different variety where running isn't the only option if you're being tailed.
So anyone else think anything needs to be changed, Make the Talon the new J-10? Or should things stay is, fine-n-dandy balanced? Discuss...go!
2) The jets in BF2 were retarded anyways. Basically the only practical way of stopping the bomb, resupply, bomb whores was to get in a jet yourself and chase em. AA was very useless against the fast moving craft. I don't want to see more plane whores. If your not capable of fighting with two feet planted firmly on the ground, dont play a FPS.
Do you have to find fault with everything someone posts? And AA was actually quite good at taking out Jets on bf2, in the last patches. Plus, if you'd taken the time to read his post, he wasnt complaining about the jets.Jo Barf Creepy wrote:
1) This isn't BF2. Stop comparing it. Get over it, and adapt.Magius5.0 wrote:
So I've come under the assumption that DICE now hates aircraft, based on level design and after what they put us through in BF2. Anti-air everywhere, Walkers are death squads for aircraft, and I've recently been getting pissed off about the SAAW-86 AA launcher. Doesn't mean I haven't gotten even, though; when used properly, a gunship can make a killing blow on any vehicle in a single volley and with a competent gunner.
So in my opinion, aircraft need to stay as-is, except drastically reduce the respawn time. Waiting 90 seconds for any vehicle (except walkers) is just plain silly. And maybe a bit more armor so walkers don't chew them up so quickly. Everything else, is fine, and heres why:
*TV missile fixed in 1.10 patch so you can bulls-eye targets. You need a steady hand though, because its nowhere near as easy as it was in BF2.
*One full pilot volley kills a tank; most of the time when I get straffed, I never see it coming, and even if I get my shields up, they'll nail me in the next pass more than likely, unless I pull some desperate measures (pepper with Tank HMG, land a tank shell in their cockpit, etc). Same thing for APC's and other gunships, but sometimes the missiles zonk out and miss completely; that pisses me off.
*These suckers can maneuver something fierce; not the same dogfighting as in BF2, but of a different variety where running isn't the only option if you're being tailed.
So anyone else think anything needs to be changed, Make the Talon the new J-10? Or should things stay is, fine-n-dandy balanced? Discuss...go!
2) The jets in BF2 were retarded anyways. Basically the only practical way of stopping the bomb, resupply, bomb whores was to get in a jet yourself and chase em. AA was very useless against the fast moving craft. I don't want to see more plane whores. If your not capable of fighting with two feet planted firmly on the ground, dont play a FPS.
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If the shield blocked the EMP and AA flak rounds it would be next to impossible to kill any air assets with them. As it is a pilot who knows what he is doing can avoid them so easily. On maps like Sidi with AA everywhere being low and fast is the worst possible tactic as EMP that hits you will cause you to crash into the ground or make you an easy target for the AA guns. Get up high where EMP won't make you crash and the AA guns will have a hard time hitting you. I am currently in the top 200 gunship pilots so trust me.Major.League.Infidel wrote:
If they brought down the Range of the EMP's a bit, and made the shield's actually work agains the AA guns/EMP, I'd be really happy. Other than that, the Gunship is fine. Deadly, but not invincible.
2) I disagree, keeping high makes it easier to spot the enemy gunship(s), as well as avoid the Stray Tank Round. Just dive down when you spot something or a tammate spots a vehicle. The Exception to this would be on Sidi, where there's AA EVERYWHERE, and your only hope is low and fast.
For the first two weeks the game was out, I was in the top 200 of Gunship Pilots. Then I got kinda distracted, so my rank has dropped quite a bit.
If you aren't capable of dealing with vehicles don't play any of the Battlefield series.Jo Barf Creepy wrote:
If your not capable of fighting with two feet planted firmly on the ground, dont play a FPS.
That's the beauty of the Battlefield series - both options are available. I personally enjoy being infantry the most, but armor battles are just plain fun, too. Always hated air combat myself.JimmyBotswana wrote:
If you aren't capable of dealing with vehicles don't play any of the Battlefield series.Jo Barf Creepy wrote:
If your not capable of fighting with two feet planted firmly on the ground, dont play a FPS.
Waaa Waaa Waaa. Lost your soother?fatherted13 wrote:
Do you have to find fault with everything someone posts? And AA was actually quite good at taking out Jets on bf2, in the last patches. Plus, if you'd taken the time to read his post, he wasnt complaining about the jets.Jo Barf Creepy wrote:
1) This isn't BF2. Stop comparing it. Get over it, and adapt.Magius5.0 wrote:
So I've come under the assumption that DICE now hates aircraft, based on level design and after what they put us through in BF2. Anti-air everywhere, Walkers are death squads for aircraft, and I've recently been getting pissed off about the SAAW-86 AA launcher. Doesn't mean I haven't gotten even, though; when used properly, a gunship can make a killing blow on any vehicle in a single volley and with a competent gunner.
So in my opinion, aircraft need to stay as-is, except drastically reduce the respawn time. Waiting 90 seconds for any vehicle (except walkers) is just plain silly. And maybe a bit more armor so walkers don't chew them up so quickly. Everything else, is fine, and heres why:
*TV missile fixed in 1.10 patch so you can bulls-eye targets. You need a steady hand though, because its nowhere near as easy as it was in BF2.
*One full pilot volley kills a tank; most of the time when I get straffed, I never see it coming, and even if I get my shields up, they'll nail me in the next pass more than likely, unless I pull some desperate measures (pepper with Tank HMG, land a tank shell in their cockpit, etc). Same thing for APC's and other gunships, but sometimes the missiles zonk out and miss completely; that pisses me off.
*These suckers can maneuver something fierce; not the same dogfighting as in BF2, but of a different variety where running isn't the only option if you're being tailed.
So anyone else think anything needs to be changed, Make the Talon the new J-10? Or should things stay is, fine-n-dandy balanced? Discuss...go!
2) The jets in BF2 were retarded anyways. Basically the only practical way of stopping the bomb, resupply, bomb whores was to get in a jet yourself and chase em. AA was very useless against the fast moving craft. I don't want to see more plane whores. If your not capable of fighting with two feet planted firmly on the ground, dont play a FPS.
I dropped BF2 around patch 1.3, so what you say has little meaning to me. What he IS doing is comparing BF2 to BF2142. Different game. Don't compare. Balance is everything. I personally can do well in the air, but its much harder to "whore" something in this game than it was in BF2 at least when it comes to aircraft. Most perfer it that way. I guess you wouldn't if you can't fight on the ground.
Okay, I'm stepping in to protect my own threat from Trolls and Flamers--both of which you fit under the category of Jo Barf. When I started this thread, it was about discussing the role of airpower in 2142, and how it might be improved/nerfed; BF2 was a reference, not a comparison. I stated my thing, people stated theirs, deal with it--we all have different opinions.Jo Barf Creepy wrote:
Waaa Waaa Waaa. Lost your soother?fatherted13 wrote:
Do you have to find fault with everything someone posts? And AA was actually quite good at taking out Jets on bf2, in the last patches. Plus, if you'd taken the time to read his post, he wasnt complaining about the jets.Jo Barf Creepy wrote:
1) This isn't BF2. Stop comparing it. Get over it, and adapt.
2) The jets in BF2 were retarded anyways. Basically the only practical way of stopping the bomb, resupply, bomb whores was to get in a jet yourself and chase em. AA was very useless against the fast moving craft. I don't want to see more plane whores. If your not capable of fighting with two feet planted firmly on the ground, dont play a FPS.
I dropped BF2 around patch 1.3, so what you say has little meaning to me. What he IS doing is comparing BF2 to BF2142. Different game. Don't compare. Balance is everything. I personally can do well in the air, but its much harder to "whore" something in this game than it was in BF2 at least when it comes to aircraft. Most perfer it that way. I guess you wouldn't if you can't fight on the ground.
Shortly said, BF2 had dominating air power. 2142, you have to work a little harder to do that, but it is still doable if you have the skill to back you up, and a competent team as well. Mods, close this stuff if this continues?
wow I have never seen an OP asking for his thread to be closed Jo Barf you are one powerful troll
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