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2007-02-21 07:21:25
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6877|Finland

Damn u at AMD, we want our DX10 ATI!

"This was a tough decision to make for us, but a necessary one that will ultimately result in bringing a better product to market."
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25870
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2007-02-21 07:22:53
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7045|SE London

Oh dear. They're fucked now.
2007-02-21 07:41:06
[TUF]Whiskey_Oktober
mmmm...Toasty!
+91|7185|Oregon
well, its kinda like bf2....they delayed it once, but there were still bugs. they released it without delaying again, and everyone hated the bugs/glitches (not to mention the huge memory leak in v1.01/1.02). ATi had a decision to make...my friend @ ATi has not been on vent at all for the last 2 months, so you know that something is going down...
2007-02-21 07:49:47
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7012|UK

Mmmm, also means Nvidia wont have to cut there prices as much as lots of us (including me) where expecting.

Martyn
2007-02-21 08:15:07
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6956|N. Ireland
I expected this to be honest.
2007-02-21 10:34:27
dalmar72
Member
+6|6983
I was waiting until Ati to come out with a card before upgrading my x1900xt.  But I guess I'll have to get an 8800GTS until the end of summer now.
2007-02-21 12:02:44
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7109
Surprise surprise!

FYI, ATI does this every time.
2007-02-21 12:04:10
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7045|SE London

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Surprise surprise!

FYI, ATI does this every time.
Yet another reason why Nvidia have a much bigger market share.
2007-02-21 12:06:33
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7199|Salt Lake City

Bertster7 wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Surprise surprise!

FYI, ATI does this every time.
Yet another reason why Nvidia have a much bigger market share.
Actually, they don't.  In the AIB they switch back forth between 47-52%, and ATi still has a larger share of mobile and discrete chips (e.g. server boards). 

All in all, when you look at all segments, Intel has more market share than both.
2007-02-21 12:49:10
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7045|SE London

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Surprise surprise!

FYI, ATI does this every time.
Yet another reason why Nvidia have a much bigger market share.
Actually, they don't.  In the AIB they switch back forth between 47-52%, and ATi still has a larger share of mobile and discrete chips (e.g. server boards). 

All in all, when you look at all segments, Intel has more market share than both.
Whilst that was true for the first half of last year, ATIs market share has plummeted. In fact Nvidia have been shipping more discrete mobile chips than ATI, a market sector ATI had previously dominated (Nvidia now have 59.1% of the mobile graphics sector).

Q4 2006 figures showed Nvidia to have 31% of the desktop market (only just behind Intel who had 31.8%) and ATI 22.8%.

Nvidia have been doing far better in terms of increasing market share over the past year than any other manufacturer, all of whom have lost out to Nvidia (in the discrete GPU sector).

*edit* I don't get what you mean about "discrete chips (e.g. server boards)", that's not what discrete chips are, they are just not integrated. Any gaming machine will have a discreet GPU, many servers will not. It is the discreet market sector (which is the market sector gamers tend to be interested in) where Nvidia have done so well.

Who really cares about integrated graphics? They're rubbish. Yet they account for the vast majority of the maret share (somewhere around 3/4s I think). ATI do better in the integrated graphics segment than Nvidia, but Intel dominate it.

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2007-02-21 13:54:11
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7199|Salt Lake City

Bertster7 wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Yet another reason why Nvidia have a much bigger market share.
Actually, they don't.  In the AIB they switch back forth between 47-52%, and ATi still has a larger share of mobile and discrete chips (e.g. server boards). 

All in all, when you look at all segments, Intel has more market share than both.
Whilst that was true for the first half of last year, ATIs market share has plummeted. In fact Nvidia have been shipping more discrete mobile chips than ATI, a market sector ATI had previously dominated (Nvidia now have 59.1% of the mobile graphics sector).

Q4 2006 figures showed Nvidia to have 31% of the desktop market (only just behind Intel who had 31.8%) and ATI 22.8%.

Nvidia have been doing far better in terms of increasing market share over the past year than any other manufacturer, all of whom have lost out to Nvidia (in the discrete GPU sector).

*edit* I don't get what you mean about "discrete chips (e.g. server boards)", that's not what discrete chips are, they are just not integrated. Any gaming machine will have a discreet GPU, many servers will not. It is the discreet market sector (which is the market sector gamers tend to be interested in) where Nvidia have done so well.

Who really cares about integrated graphics? They're rubbish. Yet they account for the vast majority of the maret share (somewhere around 3/4s I think). ATI do better in the integrated graphics segment than Nvidia, but Intel dominate it.
Pick a source I guess.

Interestingly, shipments of desktop graphics processors dropped in the fourth quarter, despite the holiday season rush. AMD nevertheless enjoyed an increase in its share of the discrete desktop graphics market from 43% to 46.2%. Nvidia's share of that market shrunk from 57% to 53.8%.
On the servers I meant integrated, but not mobo chipset integration.  Most server motherboards run on a discrete integrated ATi graphics, if they have an integrated graphics chip.

The mobile graphics segment saw quarterly shipments rise a dramatic 13.8% and grow 34.1% year-to-year. Mobile IGP shipments drove growth in the laptop market in the second quarter with 13.0% increase in shipments during the period, and discrete mobile shipments grew a stunning 16.2% during the quarter and jumped 24.2% compared to the same period the previous year.

“The laptop market has moved to the large-screen, multimedia usage model,” says Peddie. “Now the criterion for performance is being able to play a full-length movie on one battery charge.”

JPR estimates that a record 25.8 million mobile graphics devices shipped in Q4’06, 19.7 million of which were integrated chipsets (IGPs) for notebooks. Mobile IGPs claimed a commanding share of 76.3% in the mobile graphics market, up 13.0% from the prior quarter and up a dramatic 37.6% from the same period a year ago. Intel led the mobile graphics market with a 49.8% share (down from 51.4%), AMD dropped to a 23.4% share, and Nvidia jumped with a 22.9% market share gain for the quarter. SiS and VIA saw declines in market share.

In the discrete mobile segment, AMD saw shipments decline on a quarterly basis while Nvidia saw shipments increase sequentially. Nvidia grew discrete mobile segment share from 53.0% in Q3’06 to 59.1% in Q4’06. AMD’s segment share fell from 47.0% in Q3’06 to 40.9% in Q4’06.

“Timing is everything in the mobile market,” says Peddie, “and Nvidia had its mobile parts lined up and ready to ship with Intel’s recent laptop rollout.”

JPR estimates that approximately 57.6 million desktop graphics devices shipped in Q4’06. Overall, Intel held at 31.8% of the desktop graphics market, AMD increased to 22.8%, while Nvidia declined to 31.0% market share. In the discrete desktop segment, Nvidia also declined, to 53.8% share, and AMD grew to a 46.2% share during the period.
That 59% share is discrete mobile graphics, but you have discrete and integrated mobile graphics.
2007-02-21 14:12:04
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7045|SE London

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:


Actually, they don't.  In the AIB they switch back forth between 47-52%, and ATi still has a larger share of mobile and discrete chips (e.g. server boards). 

All in all, when you look at all segments, Intel has more market share than both.
Whilst that was true for the first half of last year, ATIs market share has plummeted. In fact Nvidia have been shipping more discrete mobile chips than ATI, a market sector ATI had previously dominated (Nvidia now have 59.1% of the mobile graphics sector).

Q4 2006 figures showed Nvidia to have 31% of the desktop market (only just behind Intel who had 31.8%) and ATI 22.8%.

Nvidia have been doing far better in terms of increasing market share over the past year than any other manufacturer, all of whom have lost out to Nvidia (in the discrete GPU sector).

*edit* I don't get what you mean about "discrete chips (e.g. server boards)", that's not what discrete chips are, they are just not integrated. Any gaming machine will have a discreet GPU, many servers will not. It is the discreet market sector (which is the market sector gamers tend to be interested in) where Nvidia have done so well.

Who really cares about integrated graphics? They're rubbish. Yet they account for the vast majority of the maret share (somewhere around 3/4s I think). ATI do better in the integrated graphics segment than Nvidia, but Intel dominate it.
Pick a source I guess.

Interestingly, shipments of desktop graphics processors dropped in the fourth quarter, despite the holiday season rush. AMD nevertheless enjoyed an increase in its share of the discrete desktop graphics market from 43% to 46.2%. Nvidia's share of that market shrunk from 57% to 53.8%.
On the servers I meant integrated, but not mobo chipset integration.  Most server motherboards run on a discrete integrated ATi graphics, if they have an integrated graphics chip.

The mobile graphics segment saw quarterly shipments rise a dramatic 13.8% and grow 34.1% year-to-year. Mobile IGP shipments drove growth in the laptop market in the second quarter with 13.0% increase in shipments during the period, and discrete mobile shipments grew a stunning 16.2% during the quarter and jumped 24.2% compared to the same period the previous year.

“The laptop market has moved to the large-screen, multimedia usage model,” says Peddie. “Now the criterion for performance is being able to play a full-length movie on one battery charge.”

JPR estimates that a record 25.8 million mobile graphics devices shipped in Q4’06, 19.7 million of which were integrated chipsets (IGPs) for notebooks. Mobile IGPs claimed a commanding share of 76.3% in the mobile graphics market, up 13.0% from the prior quarter and up a dramatic 37.6% from the same period a year ago. Intel led the mobile graphics market with a 49.8% share (down from 51.4%), AMD dropped to a 23.4% share, and Nvidia jumped with a 22.9% market share gain for the quarter. SiS and VIA saw declines in market share.

In the discrete mobile segment, AMD saw shipments decline on a quarterly basis while Nvidia saw shipments increase sequentially. Nvidia grew discrete mobile segment share from 53.0% in Q3’06 to 59.1% in Q4’06. AMD’s segment share fell from 47.0% in Q3’06 to 40.9% in Q4’06.

“Timing is everything in the mobile market,” says Peddie, “and Nvidia had its mobile parts lined up and ready to ship with Intel’s recent laptop rollout.”

JPR estimates that approximately 57.6 million desktop graphics devices shipped in Q4’06. Overall, Intel held at 31.8% of the desktop graphics market, AMD increased to 22.8%, while Nvidia declined to 31.0% market share. In the discrete desktop segment, Nvidia also declined, to 53.8% share, and AMD grew to a 46.2% share during the period.
That 59% share is discrete mobile graphics, but you have discrete and integrated mobile graphics.
Ah, I get your point about the server boards now. That confused me a bit.

The point I was getting at is that Nvidia are doing better in the discrete GPU sector (particularly the disrete mobile sector). I did try to distinguish between the two in my previous post but perhaps I didn't make myself especially clear.

I don't get your pick a source point though. You've quoted the same figures that I have.

Ultimately the R600 is a discrete desktop GPU and Nvidia have 53.8% of that market, which is a bigger market share, which was my original point. The real effects of this delay won't be seen till figures are out for Q1 '07, but I reckon they'll be bad.

 

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