Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7182|St. Andrews / Oslo

The School System in Norway is overall fucked up. But the worst is the system in the Capital of the Magic Kingdom: Oslo.

When trying to join a High-School, you would normally just send in your grades and let those with the best grades join. The problem with this, according to the stupid government, is that some students will have a long distance to travel to get to the school they want.

You see, Oslo is divided into two parts: The East side and the West side. The East side is the "poor" side, mostly occupied by foreigners (mostly from Pakistan, Poland, Somalia and Iraq), while the West side is the "Rich" side.

The Government decided to divide the High Schools into Zones. A percentage of the students in the school have to be from inside their "Zone", while the rest have to come from outside the zone (I believe it is 25% from outside, 75% from inside). The point of this is to make it easier for those inside the zone to get in to a school near them. But here comes the problem - 9 out of the 10 best schools in Norway are on the west side, one of the best is on the East side. This never had a chance at working out, and here are 2 examples:

Oslo Handelsgymnasium
This was one of the best schools in Norway, before the stupid new arrangement. The only problem is that it is on the East side of town. Those from the East are normally way behind in school because of their foreign background, bad childhood etc etc. 75% of the students have to come from the east side. Therefore, those from the East need a D-average, while those from the west (where I live) need an A-average.

Sooo.... You can be talking about how the Soviet Union handled the Cuban Crisis, while 75% of the class don't know what the Soviet Union was. Good Fucking Game. This School has gone from top 5, to one of the average "OK" schools in 2 years.

Persbråten VGS
This is a whole different story. Persbråten is a top 10 school on the West Side. The problem here is that a lot of people from the West side of town want to go there, and almost nobody from the East side want to. Therefore, even with the 25/75% thing, it is easier to get into this school from the outside than from the inside.

So... The plan fails... Big Time. The Private schools are a joke - Pay money and you get good grades. The school system sucks ass, as we waste time learning how to send pictures on our mobile phones using blue-tooth, even though we are still on graphs (I'm turning 16 in November, that's 10th grade in Norway)!

I can't wait 'till I'm 18 and can move to the US or England and attend college.
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Cybargs
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That is some pretty fucked up shit.
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penguin.killer
Member
+75|6930
KAnske hadde varit bättre om vi hade ägt norge fortfarande? /joke , or was it?

Pretty fucked up.
PhaxeNor
:D
+119|6866|Norway | Unkown
The Norwegian Schools have always been fu*ked up

I had to send in a 'form' for space on the second year at High-School where I go..
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7095
yeah come to U.S. we have hot chicks or at least a lot of ones to share
CruZ4dR
Cereal Killer
+145|7106|The View From The Afternoon
westside gangsta rap fo sho
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|7213

At least your teachers don't go on strike
Janysc
Member
+59|7133|Norway
So what if you don't go to a good school? It doesn't matter what school you've been to afterwards anyway. As long as you shut up and pay attention, you'll get all the A's you want, AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS. This isn't 18th century England, this is fucking 21th Norway.

I say this because I am at high school in Norway now. And to be frank, junior high in Norway is a waste of time (if it weren't for the math and Norwegian literary history you learn, that's the only thing you need later). Once you get to high school things will improve much. It might even go too fast for you. Why? Exams...

And think how privileged you are over these Americans or Englishmen, or whatever; it's harder to get a 6 than to get an A .

Kick some ass!

Last edited by Janysc (2007-02-28 07:20:44)

Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7182|St. Andrews / Oslo

Janysc wrote:

So what if you don't go to a good school? It doesn't matter what school you've been to afterwards anyway. As long as you shut up and pay attention, you'll get all the A's you want.

I say this because I am at high school in Norway now. And to be frank, junior high in Norway is a waste of time (if it weren't for the math and Norwegian literary history you learn, that's the only thing you need later). Once you get to high school things will improve much. It might even go too fast for you. Why? Exams...

And think how privileged you are over these Americans or Englishmen, or whatever; it's harder to get a 6 than to get an A .

Kick some ass!
By A I mean 5. A+ is 6
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Janysc
Member
+59|7133|Norway

Jenspm wrote:

By A I mean 5. A+ is 6
Oh my! I have straight A's, and a bunch of A+'s!

Seriously though, things will be very different on high school. Junior high is just a playground for children. High school is school.
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7182|St. Andrews / Oslo

Janysc wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

By A I mean 5. A+ is 6
Oh my! I have straight A's, and a bunch of A+'s!

Seriously though, things will be very different on high school. Junior high is just a playground for children. High school is school.
Ungdoms Skolen = Middle School
VGS = High School
Første år VGS = Junior High

(tror jeg)

Yeah, I have an A average, and I just sendt my aplication. Ullern, Persbråten and Berg...
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Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7260|Nårvei

Jenspm wrote:

The School System in Norway is overall fucked up. But the worst is the system in the Capital of the Magic Kingdom: Oslo.

When trying to join a High-School, you would normally just send in your grades and let those with the best grades join. The problem with this, according to the stupid government, is that some students will have a long distance to travel to get to the school they want.

You see, Oslo is divided into two parts: The East side and the West side. The East side is the "poor" side, mostly occupied by foreigners (mostly from Pakistan, Poland, Somalia and Iraq), while the West side is the "Rich" side.

The Government decided to divide the High Schools into Zones. A percentage of the students in the school have to be from inside their "Zone", while the rest have to come from outside the zone (I believe it is 25% from outside, 75% from inside). The point of this is to make it easier for those inside the zone to get in to a school near them. But here comes the problem - 9 out of the 10 best schools in Norway are on the west side, one of the best is on the East side. This never had a chance at working out, and here are 2 examples:

Oslo Handelsgymnasium
This was one of the best schools in Norway, before the stupid new arrangement. The only problem is that it is on the East side of town. Those from the East are normally way behind in school because of their foreign background, bad childhood etc etc. 75% of the students have to come from the east side. Therefore, those from the East need a D-average, while those from the west (where I live) need an A-average.

Sooo.... You can be talking about how the Soviet Union handled the Cuban Crisis, while 75% of the class don't know what the Soviet Union was. Good Fucking Game. This School has gone from top 5, to one of the average "OK" schools in 2 years.

Persbråten VGS
This is a whole different story. Persbråten is a top 10 school on the West Side. The problem here is that a lot of people from the West side of town want to go there, and almost nobody from the East side want to. Therefore, even with the 25/75% thing, it is easier to get into this school from the outside than from the inside.

So... The plan fails... Big Time. The Private schools are a joke - Pay money and you get good grades. The school system sucks ass, as we waste time learning how to send pictures on our mobile phones using blue-tooth, even though we are still on graphs (I'm turning 16 in November, that's 10th grade in Norway)!

I can't wait 'till I'm 18 and can move to the US or England and attend college.
Just hope they sort this crap out before my 12 year old shall attend high school.

Besides what you tell here the entire school system is undergoing a major reorganizing again, like the ones in 94 and 97 wasn`t enough.

@Coolbeano: Teachers in Norway can strike and they have done it on a couple of occasions ....
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7182|St. Andrews / Oslo

Varegg wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

The School System in Norway is overall fucked up. But the worst is the system in the Capital of the Magic Kingdom: Oslo.

When trying to join a High-School, you would normally just send in your grades and let those with the best grades join. The problem with this, according to the stupid government, is that some students will have a long distance to travel to get to the school they want.

You see, Oslo is divided into two parts: The East side and the West side. The East side is the "poor" side, mostly occupied by foreigners (mostly from Pakistan, Poland, Somalia and Iraq), while the West side is the "Rich" side.

The Government decided to divide the High Schools into Zones. A percentage of the students in the school have to be from inside their "Zone", while the rest have to come from outside the zone (I believe it is 25% from outside, 75% from inside). The point of this is to make it easier for those inside the zone to get in to a school near them. But here comes the problem - 9 out of the 10 best schools in Norway are on the west side, one of the best is on the East side. This never had a chance at working out, and here are 2 examples:

Oslo Handelsgymnasium
This was one of the best schools in Norway, before the stupid new arrangement. The only problem is that it is on the East side of town. Those from the East are normally way behind in school because of their foreign background, bad childhood etc etc. 75% of the students have to come from the east side. Therefore, those from the East need a D-average, while those from the west (where I live) need an A-average.

Sooo.... You can be talking about how the Soviet Union handled the Cuban Crisis, while 75% of the class don't know what the Soviet Union was. Good Fucking Game. This School has gone from top 5, to one of the average "OK" schools in 2 years.

Persbråten VGS
This is a whole different story. Persbråten is a top 10 school on the West Side. The problem here is that a lot of people from the West side of town want to go there, and almost nobody from the East side want to. Therefore, even with the 25/75% thing, it is easier to get into this school from the outside than from the inside.

So... The plan fails... Big Time. The Private schools are a joke - Pay money and you get good grades. The school system sucks ass, as we waste time learning how to send pictures on our mobile phones using blue-tooth, even though we are still on graphs (I'm turning 16 in November, that's 10th grade in Norway)!

I can't wait 'till I'm 18 and can move to the US or England and attend college.
Just hope they sort this crap out before my 12 year old shall attend high school.

Besides what you tell here the entire school system is undergoing a major reorganizing again, like the ones in 94 and 97 wasn`t enough.

@Coolbeano: Teachers in Norway can strike and they have done it on a couple of occasions ....
Yes, L'97 was a major disastor, but K'06 (kunnskapsløftet 2006) is even worse. They have introduced "Programfag", which is a big waste of time (remember the blue-tooth lesson?), which leaves less time for important subjects, like math and History.
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Cybargs
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Wait, teachers teach you on how to use blue tooth? WTF.
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Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7260|Nårvei

[Norwegian]Vel, kunnskapsløftet i seg er ikke så galt som du vil ha det til, en professor jeg snakket med på UIO som har vært med å utarbeide K06 mente at eksempler som du nevner her er brukerfeil hos skolen du går på, programfag skal bruker til differensiert undervisning og legges opp på bakgrunn av elevens tidligere ferdigheter ..... oh, snakker vi mer arbeid på samme antall sløve lærere ? ... eh, jepp - den største fordelen med kunnskapsløftet slik jeg ser det er nettopp at en elev med fortrinn i visse fag ikke skal sitte å kjede seg fremfor å kanskje begynne på neste års pensum eller videregående oppgaver.

Min eldste sønn har en dyktig lærer i 7 klasse som gjør nettopp dette og han sitter med 10 klasse matteoppgaver fremfor de han allerede mestrer !

[/Norwegian]
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Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6976|Milkystania, yurop
Sucks to be Norwegian
SteikeTa
Member
+153|7198|Norway/Norwegen/ Norge/Noruega
In youth school(ungdomsskolen), I had just grade A
High School.... hmmm, B :S
High School was a joke. No teacher earn respect from kids these day/those days. The teachers do not know how to educate people.
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7123|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
Consider yourselves lucky, "when I was a lad" we used to have to write on slate.  Only kidding.  But I'm not kidding when I say thank fuck our school's aint picked like that. One thing I learned in schools was single sex schools were awful, oh and that they didnt teach me how to spell.
CruZ4dR
Cereal Killer
+145|7106|The View From The Afternoon

Magpie wrote:

Sucks to be Norwegian
not really. besides school we have free healthcare and all.
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7293|Reykjavík, Iceland.

CruZ4dR wrote:

Magpie wrote:

Sucks to be Norwegian
not really. besides school we have free healthcare and all.
And Norway is considered the best country in the world to live in, Iceland comes second (Can't remember what list it was, united nations something)
stratozyck
Member
+35|7082
I wish I could tell you the US was better, but it depends on the state.  The Boston Public school system was destroyed by a judge who decreed there needs to be equality in the racial makeup of all the schools.  They tried to bus white kids from middle class areas into urban schools, and guess what happened?  Nearly every white person is gone from the Boston system.  Everyone who could afford it went to private schools. 

The judge that decreed it?  He sends his kids to private schools.  I am sick of these people that make rules for everyone else to follow but they don't get affected by it. 

In my district in Huntsville, AL, about 900 miles south of Boston, they are stupid in different ways.  The better performing schools get less dollars per pupil and they shovel money into schools that are failing.  Our school system has actually lost students over the years and all they can talk about is wanting to build more schools. 

I always thought the government screws up everything it touches.  They're happier here with a "diverse" school doing poorly than a mostly white (or black for that matter) school doing well. 

Colleges here too are big on diversity, which essencially means letting people in who aren't otherwise qualified except they need someone of their skin color.  This seems innocuous but I've met lots of black students my freshman year who really weren't good students (and I met many who were for the sake of me not being labeled a racist).  They failed out usually after the first semester, and many of them were bitter and blamed the system. 

The biggest fallacy many of these politicians have is that if you send a kid to a good school, he will do well.  Good schools are the way  they are because of the student body, not the school.  Study after study has shown the most predictable indicator of a kid's school performance is the home environment. 

My dad was poor, but his mom spent a lot of time reading to him when he was younger.  He's now got a PhD.  It's these kids who have a dad in prison and an older brother dealing drugs that have almost no chance.
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|7213

I thought Switzerland was number one...
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7182|St. Andrews / Oslo

Varegg wrote:

[Norwegian]Vel, kunnskapsløftet i seg er ikke så galt som du vil ha det til, en professor jeg snakket med på UIO som har vært med å utarbeide K06 mente at eksempler som du nevner her er brukerfeil hos skolen du går på, programfag skal bruker til differensiert undervisning og legges opp på bakgrunn av elevens tidligere ferdigheter ..... oh, snakker vi mer arbeid på samme antall sløve lærere ? ... eh, jepp - den største fordelen med kunnskapsløftet slik jeg ser det er nettopp at en elev med fortrinn i visse fag ikke skal sitte å kjede seg fremfor å kanskje begynne på neste års pensum eller videregående oppgaver.

Min eldste sønn har en dyktig lærer i 7 klasse som gjør nettopp dette og han sitter med 10 klasse matteoppgaver fremfor de han allerede mestrer !

[/Norwegian]
[norwegian]
Har ikke opplevd kunnskapsløftet selv, i og med at jeg er en generasjon for tidlig, men har bare hørt negative ting fra brødrene mine. De har til gjengjeld sløve lærere i alle fag untatt matte. Jeg får likevel spesiell opvartning av en flink matte lærer og holder på med videregående oppgaver for øyeblikket

Lærerne er tydeligvis bedre i matte......
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1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7123|Cardiff, Capital of Wales

CruZ4dR wrote:

Magpie wrote:

Sucks to be Norwegian
not really. besides school we have free healthcare and all.
You may wish to remove that otherwise your country won't be so high on that list.

They said that over here in the UK once and now we have loads of, Pakistani's, Injuns, Bangledeshi's, Somailains, Ethopians, Kurds along with loads of other immigrants.  They sit in the dentists next to me getting free dental treatment while I pay my healthcare fee's and theirs.
norge
J-10 and a coke please
+18|6920
high school was a joke.  i slept through it and passed, now college on the otherhand is hard work. dont worry about which high school u get into, just do the work u need to, and take as many classes in ur interest area as u can while its free.

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