BF2S Forums A man with a much better idea of how jails should be run

I love alot of his ideas.  In Canada it costs about 40000/ year to keep em holed up.  Thats more than half of the population make.  My only concern is it reminds me of Shawshank Redemption a bit.  It seems like a corruptable system.  Sort of like communism, great on paper, but too much power in the hands of the few will corrupt.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  But overall i think this could work very well.

Might I inquire as to where you got this from?

I personally don't hate to rain on anyone's parade here.

Check out how his little "Tent City" jails run if you want a good picture of what his "tough on crime" act plays out as in the really real world.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1996-11- … and-locks/

Plenty more stories about the guy here:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/Issues/c … index.html

I realize this may come as a shock to some people, but most prisons are not the country-club atmosphere you think they are. Unless you're talking about the Club Fed style places where white-collar criminals go. Personally when I think "soft and relaxing", getting shanked by some other con for looking at them wrong, the possibility of being violently raped, beaten by guards or set up for a fight with another con for the amusement of said guards or being thrown in solitary, none of that leaps to mind. You think it's a fucking picnic because some of them have TVs? Have any of you even visited someone in prison, let alone done time?

Arpaio has a good scam going. He's taken the badass-tough-on-crime Buford Pusser act as far as he can go with it and has people willing to bow down and worship him because he's fucking with cons, people his supporters think are worthless anyway. Guess what folks; unless you wanna make every crime possible carry a life sentence AND pay to warehouse them all, eventually those cons are getting out. Which would you prefer; someone getting out of prison with vocational training and a chance at actually being a contributing member of society or someone getting out of prison after having been treated like worthless shit for the whole time with their only vocational training being "how to be a better criminal" from ther fellow inmates and a real mad-on for the society that said they deserved that treatment?

Everybody wants "tougher" prisons, but nobody wants them where they happen to be living. Everybody wants to look at cons as uniformly garbage, but everybody complains when those cons turn back to crime because they can't get a job because everybody sees them as uniformly garbage. Everybody applauds Sheriff Joe for sticking his cons in tents in the desert, but then turn a blind eye when the gangs that have sprung up there beat a con to death with tent stakes and padlocks for violating their screwed-up code of conduct. This doesn't serve us, this serves the prison industry and nothing else. More cons, more repeat offenders, more prisons, more money for the companies that build and maintain them. And, of course on the smaller scale, more personal power and publicity for Sheriff Joe.

So far as I can see, there isn't a difference between this prison and a Chinese one.

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Everybody wants to look at cons as uniformly garbage, but everybody complains when those cons turn back to crime because they can't get a job because everybody sees them as uniformly garbage.

Yes. It's fun to punish people who commit crimes, but it sucks when they get out of prison and have nothing better to do than commit more crimes.

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Everybody wants to look at cons as uniformly garbage, but everybody complains when those cons turn back to crime because they can't get a job because everybody sees them as uniformly garbage.

There's a moral here somewhere. I can feel it.

Bubbalo wrote:

How about "if you treat someone like crap, they'll behave accordingly".  The biggest crime problem is repeat offenders, and offenders typically repeat because they can't get their lives back on track because no-one will allow them to.

That works the other way around, too. "Begin treating society like crap, they'll behave accordingly."

I don't have time to write it all out but Joe Arpio is one convoluted shit fuck. Tons upon TONS of dirt on him.
He's not a such the great man you think he is.

Yes, because the majority of prisoners are child rapists.  Totally.

Well if you don't feel that's the case, maybe you shouldn't be using them as an example.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Well if you don't feel that's the case, maybe you shouldn't be using them as an example.

And pray tell, what sort of criminal should I use as an example instead?

The ones that do the crimes that benifit society.

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Well if you don't feel that's the case, maybe you shouldn't be using them as an example.

And pray tell, what sort of criminal should I use as an example instead?

The ones that do the crimes that benifit society.

Oh. Internet pirates.