thats correct, it was first used by the Ayrans in about 1700 BCE11sog_raider wrote:
exactly, so the swastika isn't representing just the nazi movement.{uscm}Jyden wrote:
Wrong direction to be the iraqi coat of arms..Parker wrote:
wrong direction for what?
Yeah the swastika was around years and years before the nazi took power in germany and used it as there symbol.
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It's the German Federal coat-of-arms sometimes found on German flags.
At least that's the best guess I can make with the poor resoultion of the symbol.
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Jep, or at the logos of almost every federal department here. For example the german parliament: the Bundestagmcgid1 wrote:
It's the German Federal coat-of-arms sometimes found on German flags.
I read somewhere, that the nazis mirrored the historical swastika and rotated it 45° to give it a more "dynamic" look.{uscm}Jyden wrote:
Yeah the swastika was around years and years before the nazi took power in germany and used it as there symbol.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
If you see one in the western world today, the probability is much higher that it has a Nazi/Neo-Nazi meaning than a theological/religious one.
If you see one in the western world today, the probability is much higher that it has a Nazi/Neo-Nazi meaning than a theological/religious one.
And to make it look like a double S.unmountable wrote:
I read somewhere, that the nazis mirrored the historical swastika and rotated it 45° to give it a more "dynamic" look.
Anyway, there is an eagle like that on the german 2 Euro coin.
It's just a cool looking symbol used for many different purposes.
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I have a tattoo based on that eagle.
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it's not from ANY coat of arms.. its just a fuckin random symbol slightly representative of other eagle symbols used throughout history by various contries.. remember MEC is not a real country nor a real army its make believe for a game... the game designers add little extras like that into a game not for any specific reason.. it's just god damn eye candy.. so please for the love of reality stop trying to attach it to something comonly know
Ah, common sense. So refreshing...SuperSlowYo wrote:
it's not from ANY coat of arms.. its just a fuckin random symbol slightly representative of other eagle symbols used throughout history by various contries.. remember MEC is not a real country nor a real army its make believe for a game... the game designers add little extras like that into a game not for any specific reason.. it's just god damn eye candy.. so please for the love of reality stop trying to attach it to something comonly know
the nazis werent evil, just misunderstood .. soz, I got rellies back in the G that were nazis.
Yer, thats just the symbol of one of the towel-head armies and they probably copied it off the Wermacht, who undoubtably copied that from somewhere else. Some famous leader whose name escapes me once said 'beware any country that has an eagle as their emblem'.. the U.S???? but surely they couldnt be evil? (sorry any yanks reading this, I dont wish to impugn your entire country, that would be bad for my health)
Just as a matter of interest, I dont see why we should abstain from commenting on the whole nazi era.. You can be jailed in certain countries for saying certain things relating to the nazi era and its illegal in Germany to perform a nazi salute. Some flight sims will have german WW2 aircraft but are missing the swastika on the tail like its so fucking taboo they dont want to risk upsetting some poor jew and getting a lawsuit. Like it or not, the G had some cool shit and much of todays military equiptment and many tactics were seeded by the germans in the 30's and 40's.
btw, Im not a racist.. or a yank basher..
Yer, thats just the symbol of one of the towel-head armies and they probably copied it off the Wermacht, who undoubtably copied that from somewhere else. Some famous leader whose name escapes me once said 'beware any country that has an eagle as their emblem'.. the U.S???? but surely they couldnt be evil? (sorry any yanks reading this, I dont wish to impugn your entire country, that would be bad for my health)
Just as a matter of interest, I dont see why we should abstain from commenting on the whole nazi era.. You can be jailed in certain countries for saying certain things relating to the nazi era and its illegal in Germany to perform a nazi salute. Some flight sims will have german WW2 aircraft but are missing the swastika on the tail like its so fucking taboo they dont want to risk upsetting some poor jew and getting a lawsuit. Like it or not, the G had some cool shit and much of todays military equiptment and many tactics were seeded by the germans in the 30's and 40's.
btw, Im not a racist.. or a yank basher..
Nah, I wouldn't say that. Their views of the world were pretty weird, they started a war, in which millions of people died and they murdered a lot of people. I would call that "evil" by all means.{DHL}GrendeL wrote:
the nazis werent evil, just misunderstood ..
It's also illegal to fabricate, sell or own any stuff showing a nazi-symbol like the swastika, except for educational purposes like in school. (I'm not sure about the owning, could be allowed to own that stuff, but you're definitely not allowed the show it in publicity.){DHL}GrendeL wrote:
...and its illegal in Germany to perform a nazi salute.
By the way: it's "Wehrmacht". Comes from "wehren", which means "to fend".{DHL}GrendeL wrote:
Wermacht
Of course they were evil but what government isnt to some extent?. Remember the heirachy was only around 5% of the party and where most of them shared of the same ideals, a lot of them werent aware of the full extent of the attrocities committed until after the war. Ask yourself this.. what would cause a seemingly intelligent country like Germany to follow the whims of a madman and go as far as they did? The answer is rather scary. This could all easily happen again and the means to brainwash an entire nation is a damn sight easier to accomplish nowdays.
Also, the Schutzstaffel (SS) started out as honorable soldiers but towards the end of the war they were taking anybody in that could fight. The totenkopfverband or Deaths Head Legion (spelling probably wrong again) were the real criminals and units were usually comprised of thugs and even ex convicts, thats why they ran the camps and gave the entire German armed forces a bad name. You want attrocities on a mass scale? Research what the Russians did, and they had a licence to kill, pillage and rape from Stalin himself.
A prominant Jewish scholar once remarked 'This must never happen again!'. Obviously nobody really gave a rats about the millions of people killed in the Bosnian conflict, and that was only around 16 years ago. I know this is way off topic but if the second world war never eventuated, Adolf Hitler would have been regarded as one of the greatest world leaders ever born. He was even voted Time Magazine's 'Man of the Year'. He did a lot for Germany and many of his initiatives still exist today. Still evil though.
Also, the Schutzstaffel (SS) started out as honorable soldiers but towards the end of the war they were taking anybody in that could fight. The totenkopfverband or Deaths Head Legion (spelling probably wrong again) were the real criminals and units were usually comprised of thugs and even ex convicts, thats why they ran the camps and gave the entire German armed forces a bad name. You want attrocities on a mass scale? Research what the Russians did, and they had a licence to kill, pillage and rape from Stalin himself.
A prominant Jewish scholar once remarked 'This must never happen again!'. Obviously nobody really gave a rats about the millions of people killed in the Bosnian conflict, and that was only around 16 years ago. I know this is way off topic but if the second world war never eventuated, Adolf Hitler would have been regarded as one of the greatest world leaders ever born. He was even voted Time Magazine's 'Man of the Year'. He did a lot for Germany and many of his initiatives still exist today. Still evil though.
yes, but if you look at what happened after WWI, Germany was taxed so heavily that they couldn't keep afloat (literally and metaphorically) and Hitler promised them that he would get rid of their debts by conquoring Europe and reversing the positions, so that the other countries would be paying them. that is why the followed Hitler.{DHL}GrendeL wrote:
Of course they were evil but what government isnt to some extent?. Remember the heirachy was only around 5% of the party and where most of them shared of the same ideals, a lot of them werent aware of the full extent of the attrocities committed until after the war. Ask yourself this.. what would cause a seemingly intelligent country like Germany to follow the whims of a madman and go as far as they did? The answer is rather scary. This could all easily happen again and the means to brainwash an entire nation is a damn sight easier to accomplish nowdays.
Also, the Schutzstaffel (SS) started out as honorable soldiers but towards the end of the war they were taking anybody in that could fight. The totenkopfverband or Deaths Head Legion (spelling probably wrong again) were the real criminals and units were usually comprised of thugs and even ex convicts, thats why they ran the camps and gave the entire German armed forces a bad name. You want attrocities on a mass scale? Research what the Russians did, and they had a licence to kill, pillage and rape from Stalin himself.
A prominant Jewish scholar once remarked 'This must never happen again!'. Obviously nobody really gave a rats about the millions of people killed in the Bosnian conflict, and that was only around 16 years ago. I know this is way off topic but if the second world war never eventuated, Adolf Hitler would have been regarded as one of the greatest world leaders ever born. He was even voted Time Magazine's 'Man of the Year'. He did a lot for Germany and many of his initiatives still exist today. Still evil though.
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I like to concur.SuperSlowYo wrote:
it's not from ANY coat of arms.. its just a fuckin random symbol slightly representative of other eagle symbols used throughout history by various contries.. remember MEC is not a real country nor a real army its make believe for a game... the game designers add little extras like that into a game not for any specific reason.. it's just god damn eye candy.. so please for the love of reality stop trying to attach it to something comonly know
That eagle has a striking resemblance to the eagles in the coat of arms of various Middle Eastern countries (as posted before) and it's quite obvious that Dice added them on purpose.
Same with the scimitar, which is almost exclusively associated with the Middle East.
Correct, but look at Germany now. They have basically conquered the world, got their standing back and didnt have to fire a shot. Britain was still rationing in 1956 where Germany had finshed in the early 50's, even though a lot of the country was in ruins. The poms have only just paid off the loan to the U.S.. the lend-lease scheme would probably have to be the biggest sham in history. lol
There were a lot of other reasons why they followed Hitler but he did help the economy after WW1 and give the people their pride back. Biggest mistake was biting off more than he could chew and going to war.
There were a lot of other reasons why they followed Hitler but he did help the economy after WW1 and give the people their pride back. Biggest mistake was biting off more than he could chew and going to war.
This is going a little bit off-topic, but anyway...
This is probably the best thing, the germans are ably to do at the moment: whining...
But "conquer the world"? Look at China - they are about to conquer the world in a few years without firing a single shot, by producing most of the things we're using at home.
You've got to explain that. Conquered the world? Germany was one of the leading industrial nations a few years ago. But now the industry is moving to other countries in eastern europe or asia, because the wages are too high here. But instead of doing something against it, the germans are only whining all the time, how bad the current situation is, etc.{DHL}GrendeL wrote:
Correct, but look at Germany now. They have basically conquered the world, got their standing back and didnt have to fire a shot.
This is probably the best thing, the germans are ably to do at the moment: whining...
But "conquer the world"? Look at China - they are about to conquer the world in a few years without firing a single shot, by producing most of the things we're using at home.
You're right. He did a lot of things for the people and he promised even more. But he didn't do that just to improve germany's situation. He wanted the start a war and this was his way to make the people follow him. And he succeeded, I think. He even annouced his plans in his book "Mein Kampf", published in the 1920s, I think.{DHL}GrendeL wrote:
There were a lot of other reasons why they followed Hitler but he did help the economy after WW1 and give the people their pride back. Biggest mistake was biting off more than he could chew and going to war.
Agreed. The russians were not much better. But how they say? History is written by the winners.{DHL}GrendeL wrote:
Research what the Russians did, and they had a licence to kill, pillage and rape from Stalin himself.
Nope, everything fine. Didn't want to be a smart ass correcting you though...{DHL}GrendeL wrote:
totenkopfverband or Deaths Head Legion (spelling probably wrong again)
Its a peace sign but its rotated differant.Parker wrote:
the eagle is used for many symbols.
while you were studying WWII in history class did they teach you that the symbol that looks like a swastika was around LONG before the nazis?
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HA!unmountable wrote:
This is probably the best thing, the germans are ably to do at the moment: whining...
I bet the Austrians could give you a lesson in whining.
By conquering I mean they have a reasonably stable economy and are in a much better position than many of their European neigbours. Imagine if there was no war and what a different world it would be now if they had used their technology for the good of mankind. Wars have a habit of speeding up industrial evolution. We got the jet engine, the Atomic bomb and many advances in medicine and warfare tactics as a result of WW2. However, one could never condone what the Nazi's did. You're spot on about Hitler's motives as he always intended to go to war, mainly to get back the Sudatenland wrongfully acquired by the treaty of Versailles but there was a bit of national pride involved and pure (revenge?) over the sanctions imposed that crippled the economy after WW1. Correct about Mein Kampf too but he dribbled a lot of nonsense also and made many contradictions.
Heilige Scheiße, wir sind Weg ab Thema jetzt!. Forgive my rusty German. lol
Heilige Scheiße, wir sind Weg ab Thema jetzt!. Forgive my rusty German. lol
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