CplGraveDigger
Member
+0|7151
I can see that there is a lot of Kids on the forum. Spending mommy's money is easy for you. Need a new Video card, "Mommy, my computer needs a new video card" and Mommy buys you a new card.
If you are old enough to remember, most games in the past came with updates, Not patchs. Updates came with maps and new toys to play with. Booster Packs are only game updates with a price tag.
If we all download  Booster Packs, you will never see another map in patchs. EA is testing the waters, Seeing what people will pay for. The next BF game will have an online fee. You can bet your ass on it. 
What is $50 - $100 dollars for a good game? Not that much. But milking the gamers for every last cent is alittle much.

Before all you little turds replay with your little rants, Think of this

One day mommy wont be there to buy your stuff
and you will be one of us bitching about EA milking us to play games.

Peace out

Digger

PS: If this makes you upset, Ask your mommy for a hug!

LOL
E7IX3R
is drunk and crazy
+216|7108|UK
I'm going to buy both booster packs, because it makes BF2 an even bigger game, I got bored of vanilla's maps within a week, so I bought SF and havent touched the Vanilla since I got it.

and for £6, that's an hours work for me.
topal63
. . .
+533|7138
Wait he said ^

This kind of [so-called] rip-off is easy to deal with. If in your mind that is what you think it is - don't buy it.

I for one wont send a message to DICE/EA that I wish them to stop spending thier money to make more content for the [so-called] community. . .  I will buy it [the booster pack].
armin
Member
+0|7176| Bosnia & Herzegovina
Here's a qiuick guide to basic economics:

YES, EA "looses" money by makeing new content for free, but the GAIN is that they are supporting the community and getting more loyal customers.
Valve knows how to do this to perfection.

Now tell me HONESTLY, do you think EA will get MORE or LESS satisfied and loyal customers with the boosterpacks?

Answer is: LESS, they are being greedy and only thinking about the profit and the shareholders. Not the gaming community.
thinner44
Member
+1|7229

CplGraveDigger wrote:

PS: If this makes you upset, Ask your mommy for a hug!

LOL
And this is a post where you really should do a little research before spouting ones mouth off. You'll find a lot of people that have responded to this thread are more than capable of making our own decisions without asking 'mommy', in fact some of us are a little older than you obviously perceive.

We are making a 'reasoned response' to the original poster without actually flaming him. Now you see, if only you'd just have sat back for another 10 seconds or so before you clicked submit. You sir are an idiot Have a nice day.

Last edited by thinner44 (2006-01-12 12:12:32)

DeAThSniPer[CoD]
Member
+8|7191|Virginia, United States
i dont know why u guys thought sf was bad, sf was a really good expansion pack.  jus cuz ur comp couldnt handle it or u thought u wouldnt have to reinstall the patch after u installed special forces, ea isnt tryin to take your money, yes they want money but they spend a lot of time on this stuff to keep us playin, an yes im buyin this booster pack and the next one, the bf series is awesome.  and jus to let u know, for every game u have to buy bonus content now, halo 2, most xbox live games and many others. so stop whinin bout it.  becuz ea makes good expansion/boost packs, and also great games
D-Rays23
Member
+0|7116|St. Petersburg, FL
Can't you just feel fortunate that EA is not willing to come out with a whole new $50+ dollar game, and instead give us an expansion worth a 5th of that. Unlike some games, EA doesn't charge by hour or month. EA is making good with it's large income. And EA puts the ranks in there to generate intrest. I'm more interested in having a yellow bar next to my usertag than just be who I am and restart each round.

If you don't like it don't get it, but as for me, I love EA. I love their sports games, and I especially love BF2. EA has been good to me, so I will be good to them.
Dr_3V|L
Member
+51|7145|Twente, The Netherlands
The content supplied in the new booster packs have never been free. EA makes new content (maps, weapons, army's) and puts them in small packages ('booster packs') instead of one large expansion set. You'll have to buy 10 minor dollars to play it! Instead of the 30 which normal expansion sets cost! I dont understand the f**king problem, so I won't sign this petition.
xilix
Member
+0|7187

armin wrote:

Here's a qiuick guide to basic economics:

YES, EA "looses" money by makeing new content for free, but the GAIN is that they are supporting the community and getting more loyal customers.
Valve knows how to do this to perfection.

Now tell me HONESTLY, do you think EA will get MORE or LESS satisfied and loyal customers with the boosterpacks?

Answer is: LESS, they are being greedy and only thinking about the profit and the shareholders. Not the gaming community.
Do you honestly think that EA shareholders give a flying fuck about EA supporting the community?  No!  EA has to be responsible to their shareholders and what does that mean?  Generating revenue.   

Why dont you petition the car companies to provide free gas when you purchase a vehicle from them since according to you supporting the community is what its all about.  Sure, everyone in the world would become loyal to car companies that did that but guess what, brand loyalty wouldnt mean shit after the company was bankrupt!

Last edited by xilix (2006-01-12 12:19:28)

CplGraveDigger
Member
+0|7151

thinner44 wrote:

CplGraveDigger wrote:

PS: If this makes you upset, Ask your mommy for a hug!

LOL
And this is a post where you really should do a little research before spouting ones mouth off. You'll find a lot of people that have responded to this thread are more than capable of making our own decisions without asking 'mommy', in fact some of us are a little older than you obviously perceive.

We are making a 'reasoned response' to the original poster without actually flaming him. Now you see, if only you'd just have sat back for another 10 seconds or so before you clicked submit. You sir are an idiot Have a nice day.
And your point is? I guess your one of the Turds!

lol

Peace out

Digger
DSRTurtle
Member
+56|7106

DeAThSniPer[CoD] wrote:

i dont know why u guys thought sf was bad, sf was a really good expansion pack.  jus cuz ur comp couldnt handle it or u thought u wouldnt have to reinstall the patch after u installed special forces, ea isnt tryin to take your money, yes they want money but they spend a lot of time on this stuff to keep us playin, an yes im buyin this booster pack and the next one, the bf series is awesome.  and jus to let u know, for every game u have to buy bonus content now, halo 2, most xbox live games and many others. so stop whinin bout it.  becuz ea makes good expansion/boost packs, and also great games
I never said I didn't like SF.  I actually do like it.  I  have a problem with some maps and not others.  My system is above the required minimums in all areas.  As to why I have a problem on some maps and not others, I don't know.  Along with my friends complaining of the same problem on the same map when there machines are even better than mine says that there is a problem that needs to be addressed by a patch. 

EA is not the first company to use the booster pack model.  TSR and Task Force Games have used them before to great success.

Last edited by DSRTurtle (2006-01-12 12:53:17)

armin
Member
+0|7176| Bosnia & Herzegovina

xilix wrote:

armin wrote:

Here's a qiuick guide to basic economics:

YES, EA "looses" money by makeing new content for free, but the GAIN is that they are supporting the community and getting more loyal customers.
Valve knows how to do this to perfection.

Now tell me HONESTLY, do you think EA will get MORE or LESS satisfied and loyal customers with the boosterpacks?

Answer is: LESS, they are being greedy and only thinking about the profit and the shareholders. Not the gaming community.
Do you honestly think that EA shareholders give a flying fuck about EA supporting the community?  No!  EA has to be responsible to their shareholders and what does that mean?  Generating revenue.   

Why dont you petition the car companies to provide free gas when you purchase a vehicle from them since according to you supporting the community is what its all about.  Sure, everyone in the world would become loyal to car companies that did that but guess what, brand loyalty wouldnt mean shit after the company was bankrupt!
Valve has shareholders too... yet we get free content all the time
JimCognito
Member
+10|7101
Heh, I'm 30 holmes.  Mom doesn't buy me a damn thing except for socks at christmas.  I work hard for my money and don't mind paying for extra content to keep a game going and make it more interesting.    How many free maps did they release for BF42?  Just that Aberdeen one as far as I can remember.  We got a new map, the reworked Wake. 

Yep, other games release free maps all the time.  You can go play those games if you want and cry yourself to sleep that you have to spend a little extra money for new content on BF2.  There are also plenty of games that never get any additional content released or even get properly patched.  Selling add ons for games like this has been talked about for a while in the industry.  It's a business.  They want to make money.  If its a good product, which I and many others think it is, they will be successful with this.  If its not a good product the game will probably fizzle out. 

If you really want to make a point, start sending letters to EA and get people to boycott the entire company and every game they make, and good luck with that.   

Oh, and as for all the "Valve wouldn't do this" crap, Valve ripped me off in a different way.  I had to buy that silver pack or whatever when I downloaded it because I couldn't get my old copy of HL1 to work with steam.  Some nonsense about issues with my key when I'm the only one who ever used it.  I didn't care though because its a great game and I wasn't too bothered to spend an extra $10 to get it back.  If $10 is such an issue maybe you could pick up some side work or something.
[9IF]REALbp
Member
+0|7102
If you can't afford the booster pack you are either a loser, or a prepubescent leach.

Nice petition.

Last edited by [9IF]REALbp (2006-01-12 13:18:55)

DeAThSniPer[CoD]
Member
+8|7191|Virginia, United States
the updates u get from valve r basically like patches that u get for bf2, bf2 is way better than any valve game, im surprised u guys dont bitch about cs since u can shoot next to someone and kill them, o u must not complain cuz u get guns that kill in one shot, or cuz u cant aim and still get the kill, where as in bf2 only a headshot is a 1 shot kill and u actually have to put ur sights on the person, so shutup, u guys r ridiculous, jus stfu and dont buy it, dont talk all this shit bout ea tryin to milk the money outta us, they work hard on makin new maps and content and ur sayin they should give it out for free, k then how r they gonna pay the people who worked on it, jus stfu, u r the greedy bastards not them, u think that jus cuz ea is rich that everyone with ea is rich, well no their not, they all work hard for their money and deserve it, would u wanna work for no money, i doubt it, especially when u have a family to support and u spend ur time away from them makin maps and content for everyone else to play to make them happy.  so if anyone is bein greedy its u guys talkin shit bout them.
Psycho
Member since 2005
+44|7196|Kansas, USA

armin wrote:

YES IT MATTERS! we're sending out a message that we won't take their sh*t. that we don't wanna pay for content that was always for free!
And exactly what "content" was free in earlier games? The majority of all of the new maps, weapons, etc. in BF1942 were availalbel in the expansions which cost much more.

Let's compare this with another industry. Say cars. If something is found to be faulty, they issue a recall and will fix the problem free of charge (i.e. a patch). however, if they come out with a new feature such as heated seats they will make it an option that you can buy at an added cost, and they sure as hell aren't going to retrofit everyone's car that already purchased one for free.

armin, you don't know squat about economics  (I have a B.A. in Econ). Brand loyalty is a consideration, but it is not the only consideration. EA has actually done a pretty clever thing with this game. They have created a quasi monopoly. Because many, if not most, people want to play on ranked servers they must get their content from EA. however, the rankings would go to hell if people were able to play custom mods/maps on ranked servers.

i have gotten a great deal of entertainment for this game and I look forward to some new maps for ranked play. I consider $10 to be cheap for the amount of time that I will most likely play them.

[g0t]JediPimp wrote:

IMO EA is churning our these upgrades to prevent the modding community from gaining a foothold like it did with the orig BattleField Mods. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the DC Modders get hired on at EA or something like that?
Hmm, EA sees some people with talent that is maretable and actually gives them jobs. Yeah, how terrible that they actually want to make some money for all of their hard work!
JimCognito
Member
+10|7101
Also, if you think $10 is too much, think about this.  When I was young the best games were in the arcade.  You were gonna spend $10 for a few hours usually quarter by quarter.  Now you get a game that blows all of those away, get to play it in the comfort of your own home, don't have to put your quarter on the glass to wait in line, and don't need to put on pants to go play the game!

So all in all, you can buy it, or you can pass on it.  No one is forcing you to buy it.  Nowhere on that initial BF2 package does it ever say you will be recieving free content in the future.
xilix
Member
+0|7187
Woohoo!  And look at what Valve's holding company was trading at today!

http://moneycentral.msn.com/msn/stock_q … tr&a=0

Ea was around $56/share.  I wonder which business model is working better...  Oh and how many games has Valve put out since 1998?  3 or 4?

armin wrote:

xilix wrote:

armin wrote:

Here's a qiuick guide to basic economics:

YES, EA "looses" money by makeing new content for free, but the GAIN is that they are supporting the community and getting more loyal customers.
Valve knows how to do this to perfection.

Now tell me HONESTLY, do you think EA will get MORE or LESS satisfied and loyal customers with the boosterpacks?

Answer is: LESS, they are being greedy and only thinking about the profit and the shareholders. Not the gaming community.
Do you honestly think that EA shareholders give a flying fuck about EA supporting the community?  No!  EA has to be responsible to their shareholders and what does that mean?  Generating revenue.   

Why dont you petition the car companies to provide free gas when you purchase a vehicle from them since according to you supporting the community is what its all about.  Sure, everyone in the world would become loyal to car companies that did that but guess what, brand loyalty wouldnt mean shit after the company was bankrupt!
Valve has shareholders too... yet we get free content all the time
TriggerHappy998
just nothing
+387|7267|-
This isn't going to accomplish a damn thing. There will always be more people who pay the money for it than the people that signed an online petition. Majority rules. All you're doing is missing out.
idiotofwar
Jet Rammer
+4|7147|Debris From Space
You don't get any extra stuff in normal BF2 from the booster packs...

"Booster Packs are content bundles only, they don't affect normal Battlefield 2 play. Installing a Booster Pack doesn't alter any existing Battlefield content, so owners of the Booster Pack can still play original Battlefield 2 and Special Forces maps online with players that don't purchase the Booster Packs. We're still working on patches for Battlefield 2, and any fixes or features that affect Battlefield gameplay as a whole are introduced in these, which users can still download free of charge."

Quoted from EA. I guess this whole topic is a waste of time..
armin
Member
+0|7176| Bosnia & Herzegovina

xilix wrote:

Woohoo!  And look at what Valve's holding company was trading at today!

http://moneycentral.msn.com/msn/stock_q … tr&a=0

Ea was around $56/share.  I wonder which business model is working better...  Oh and how many games has Valve put out since 1998?  3 or 4?

armin wrote:

xilix wrote:


Do you honestly think that EA shareholders give a flying fuck about EA supporting the community?  No!  EA has to be responsible to their shareholders and what does that mean?  Generating revenue.   

Why dont you petition the car companies to provide free gas when you purchase a vehicle from them since according to you supporting the community is what its all about.  Sure, everyone in the world would become loyal to car companies that did that but guess what, brand loyalty wouldnt mean shit after the company was bankrupt!
Valve has shareholders too... yet we get free content all the time
Has any EA game matched the quality of Valve's games? Nope! they make their money on releasing the same sh*t with an "06" instead of last years "05"... NBA Live 2006 etc...
xilix
Member
+0|7187
Yep!  BF2 kicks the shit out of Half Life and CS:S, IMO.  I havent played any of the others, so you can see how high free content is on my list.
CplGraveDigger
Member
+0|7151

DeAThSniPer[CoD] wrote:

the updates u get from valve r basically like patches that u get for bf2, bf2 is way better than any valve game, im surprised u guys dont bitch about cs since u can shoot next to someone and kill them, o u must not complain cuz u get guns that kill in one shot, or cuz u cant aim and still get the kill, where as in bf2 only a headshot is a 1 shot kill and u actually have to put ur sights on the person, so shutup, u guys r ridiculous, jus stfu and dont buy it, dont talk all this shit bout ea tryin to milk the money outta us, they work hard on makin new maps and content and ur sayin they should give it out for free, k then how r they gonna pay the people who worked on it, jus stfu, u r the greedy bastards not them, u think that jus cuz ea is rich that everyone with ea is rich, well no their not, they all work hard for their money and deserve it, would u wanna work for no money, i doubt it, especially when u have a family to support and u spend ur time away from them makin maps and content for everyone else to play to make them happy.  so if anyone is bein greedy its u guys talkin shit bout them.
You have good points, Greed is what drives the world!

It's not about the money. It's the way they are doing it. They are selling booster packs online, no box or cd. They are trying to bypass selling games in stores. Soon you will have to download every game from a EA Download Server for the same cost it would have been in the stores. They will have total controll in regarts to their games. I might be old school in my way I think, but I like getting a box and cd.

I will like to see these Message Boards after the new BF comes out. "Whats with the Monthly Fee", "Why do we have to pay for updates". We all know this is the way all games will go and there is nothing we can do about it.

One Good thing I will say about EA and the DEV, is that they are finaly making games that are at the cutting edge, that finaly challange computer hardware.

Its good seeing gamers talking about this stuff
See you online

Peace Out

Digger

Just a I side note. The Dev of this game gets only a small bit of the royalties from this game, it's EA that lines there pockets.
N[]thing
Member
+0|7150|Uk - England - Colchester
To be fair i don't see how you can say they're "ripping us off". It's not like you need to buy it. Why stop them from making it. If you don't think it's cheap enought, don't buy it. If you're like me and think it's fair do's then go ahead. Im gonna by it!
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|7229|Marathon, Florida Keys

[g0t]JediPimp wrote:

...Battlefield Vietman came out, so I switched to that like many others.....
Ya you "played" bfv dident you lololololololol
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Sorry.....couldent resist

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