MrE`158 wrote:
Parker wrote:
hydro-static shock is the name of the game.
cougar hit it right on the head pretty much.
the weight of the bullet combined with its velocity give it the inertia to do damage.
what hydro-static shock refers too is effect of a round entering the body AND THE SHOCK IT CAUSES...not the hole, not the bleeding, the shock of the bullet felt by the body.
alot of ammo can be lethal just from that....if you put a round right next to somones heart, its likely to shut down the heart from the energy.....you with me still?
good, so theoretically a larger bullet with more powder, like the 7.62 fired from this G3 here:
http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/ … era066.flvwill do more damage than the 9mm fired from this uzi:
http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/ … uzi009.flvthis IQ .45 that i use for my carry weapon is more powerful than the .38 my wife carries.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/ … uzi023.jpgthere are plenty of resources on the web besides a bunch of fools that play a video game....if i were you i would find my answers that way.
I'm still unconvinced by the "hydrostatic shock" arguement. I've yet to read anything from a reputable medical source that backs it up. The laws of physics tell me that the bullet cannot hit a body with any greater force than that which is imparted to the rifle on firing. Now sure, the rifle butt and recoil systems take a lot of the impact out of what the firer feels, but even still. From what I've read, the human body is flexible enough that the only place where a shock-wave is likely to have significant effect is inside the skull, since that's a particularly inflexible part of the body. But let's face it, if there's a bullet
inside your skull you're in a lot of trouble already.
The biggest factors are those that Cougar mentioned (and I don't recall him mentioning hydrostatic shock): the type of bullet and the way and place it hits a body. Bullets do damage by tearing tissue as they pass through, for the most part. This caused bleeding and physical damage to internal organs, which can lead to death. Bullets which fragment can cause a lot more damage, since they spread through the body in different directions.
Harder rounds (like a typical military rifle round) are more likely to pass straight through a body, the idea being to take the target out of action with a wound without causing undue suffering. This is part of the international laws of war, you can't use rounds that are designed to fragment, because once a persons been shot he's a non-combatant (for the most part, anyway, there are of course exceptions), and anything beyond that constitutes causing uneccessary suffering. Conversely, police often use softer rounds designed to mushroom (or sometimes even fragment) inside a target. That's because their priority is protecting the civilians that might be near their target, and they can't risk a shot passing through the bad guy and hitting someone behind them.
Any bullet that hits someone can kill. Small pistol rounds don't have a great velocity or mass, and are often stopped by bone, for example. That means that shooting someone with a pistol might just crack a rib, or the shot could glance off their skull. But, if that little bullet pass between two ribs and nicks a major artery, they'll bleed out in minutes and die, and there'll be fuck all you can do about it. A small shot could open a major blood vessel in the leg, arm, chest, neck or it could pass into the skull. Any of those is likely to be fatal. Bigger bullets from more powerful cartridges, such as from a rifle have more mass and velocity, and as such are more likely to get inside, for example, the chest cavity and therefore cause damage to important organs like the heart, lungs and liver, any of which being torn or punctured will result in death very quickly.
The bigger rounds you mention at the bottom of the list are (relatively) huge big lumps of metal that travel very fast indeed. For the most part, a human body isn't hard enough to stop a .50cal round, it'll just pass through causing a huge amount of damage on the way. I've heard anecdotal accounts of .50's taking peoples limbs off, and a wound like that will kills someone very quickly from shock and blood loss. These are rounds designed to damage vehicles, pass through brick walls and the like. Squishy human tissue isn't an issue for them.
Given the right circumstances, any bullet can kill, that's what they are designed to do, after all.
