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PluggedValve wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

Check this out --- you appear to be a loyal consumer of all things portrayed in the west. You take all information presented to you by your government as factual none biased information and offer no reciprocal  acceptance of possible factual none biased information provided by other sources.  What evidence do you have that this took place in Iraqi international waters that does not completely self destruct the second someone mentions maritime border disputes in this region?

Your Iran knows statement is kinda funny since well -- the US knows that the 5 captured consular officials in Iraq are, in some cases, a greater aggressive use of force than that by Iran. Why? You ask could I come to this conclusion. Well seeing as we are big on people following proper International protocol guided by International Law -- why oh why would we take hostages (hmm i can use this word doesn't the connotation sound nice when I apply it to the west now?) from a consulate established in Iraq under the request of the Iraqi government. Funny this took place in January and NOW in APRIL we finally allowed consular officials to visit the detainees. We cried and bitch and moan and cried some more over a 13 day holding of troops during which time they were not offered consular visit -- a big no no in International protocol.

While the British have stated that no negotiations have taken place. "No deal done with Iran - Blair" Yet, the timing between the consular visit and the release of another Iranian Diplomatic personnel seems a bit too coincidental -- IMO.

Selling propaganda -- haha what a joke. They are selling as much propaganda as we are selling it in return. You think the hype doesn't go both ways.....? Wake up.

Even at best, what would give the Iranians the right to take the soldiers if the waters were disputed?... ooops ya kinda self destructed there yourself. Do we now go back with our warships to the exact same location and start taking Iranians that could "possibly" be in contested water? You are the blind one. You have admittedly justified taking the soldiers in an area that you describe as "disputed".

You obviously don't read any of my post if you are presuming I take everything the mass media gives to me as fact. I have formed my own opinion here.

What were the soldiers doing there in the first place?  Shouldn't they be stabalising Iraq??  Not expanding the borders to gain a strategic foothold to attack Iran unprovoked. 

How many people(possibly terrorist and possibly not) have the US captured on foreign soil and then sent to Gitmo where law does not apply. 

The question is very valid.  Why does the US and Britain expect other nations to live by rules that they themselves do not live by???  (CIA torture flights, much?)

Vilham wrote:

Did you actually just write that? Are you totally ignorant of what is in the news. THEY WERE PATROLLING TO STOP SMUGGLERS BRINGING IN WEAPONS! Very simple, it was also under a UN mandate, in Iraqi waters. So basically Iran broke international law, they went into another country and kidnapped their men.

If they were American troops i might agree, but they werent! They were Brits. Get your head out of your ass and read a newspaper please.

mcjagdflieger wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Did you actually just write that? Are you totally ignorant of what is in the news. THEY WERE PATROLLING TO STOP SMUGGLERS BRINGING IN WEAPONS! Very simple, it was also under a UN mandate, in Iraqi waters. So basically Iran broke international law, they went into another country and kidnapped their men.

If they were American troops i might agree, but they werent! They were Brits. Get your head out of your ass and read a newspaper please.

So uh yea, if american troops were patrolling under the same U.N. mandate they would've been in the wrong.  And you would condone them being detained against their will. Prick. Go ahead and say what you want, but the way I understand what you wrote, that is an incredibly dick thing to say just because of nationality. Please prove me wrong.

Last edited by Vilham (2007-04-05 23:54:51)

Last edited by Vilham (2007-04-06 00:24:21)

How do you know that they were treated well? Were you there? Iran took the British troops from Iraqi waters... That's like Indonesia kidnapping Australian troops in East Timor's waters.

namsdrawkcaB wrote:

They would probably be drugged (As Saddam Hussein was) and gods knows what else.

Konfusion0 wrote:

R0lyP0ly wrote:

Is this from experience, or are you just making illogical conjectures??

Just because Iran paraded 15 sailors and marines around for 13 days and then "gave them back" doesn't mean they are some perfect country. Think of it the other way -- if they had tortured or even killed any of them, Iran would either be under invasion, have their international trade stopped, or, if they tried to re-retaliate, neither of us would be here right now. Returning the soldiers was their only strategic option, as even a true accident would be interpreted (rightly so) as foul play on behalf of the Iranians.

He's pointing out that the USA or Britain could torture or even kill their own prisoners, and no one would stop them - no one would care - but if the Iranians were to do that, they'd be in deep shit...

-konfusion

ATG wrote:

namsdrawkcaB wrote:

America and Britain.

Well i am not attacking these countries, as i have nothing against them. Although the way they function seems a little unfair for countries like Iraq, Iran ect.
For example, British soldiers released today. That's good news, although lets turn the story around a bit. Just say, Iranian troops were found in American or British waters. This would be a whole different story. The Americans and British would drain every last drop with interrogating and so forth. They would not even think about letting them go. They would probably be drugged (As Saddam Hussein was) and gods knows what else. Now don't say, just because it was Easter, or there is something fishy going on. Intelligent people would have realised the point I am trying to make. Iran treated them with hospitality. As you could see on the video on the news that they were tucking away into the great food the Iran offers.

The way these country's are treated is appalling. Why are countries who dont have as much power treated this way?

Discuss.

You believe everything you read? or just the stuff that comes from our enemies.

PluggedValve wrote:

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

namsdrawkcaB wrote:

America and Britain.

Well i am not attacking these countries, as i have nothing against them. Although the way they function seems a little unfair for countries like Iraq, Iran ect.
For example, British soldiers released today. That's good news, although lets turn the story around a bit. Just say, Iranian troops were found in American or British waters. This would be a whole different story. The Americans and British would drain every last drop with interrogating and so forth. They would not even think about letting them go. They would probably be drugged (As Saddam Hussein was) and gods knows what else. Now don't say, just because it was Easter, or there is something fishy going on. Intelligent people would have realised the point I am trying to make. Iran treated them with hospitality. As you could see on the video on the news that they were tucking away into the great food the Iran offers.

The way these country's are treated is appalling. Why are countries who dont have as much power treated this way?

Discuss.

Where are you from so that we can take this in context?

This is a big difference behind motivation for detention.  The US and Briton do not detain people as leverage against another government.  The have military and economic forces to use as leverage, hence the sanctions in the UN against Iran.  Iran kidnapped these people with the sole purpose of creating a stand off and getting attention from Briton.  I am sure they will use this in the UN as a great peacefull resolution that should justify the reinstatement of talks between them and the US and try to put preasure on the US to begin Nuclear talks.  There is not a single thing that Iran does that is not propoganda based.  They are busy pushing information for not only the world but thier own people.  Notice that everything was comming from the state run news agency.  If the US had a propoganda machine like that and no freedom of speach then you might begin to see similar tactics brought to bare.

But the US doesnt pump the propaghanda out???  "Saddam is an immenent threat to the US, therefor we must take him out." 

I dont see the threat.  Then or now!!

namsdrawkcaB wrote:

America and Britain.

Well i am not attacking these countries, as i have nothing against them. Although the way they function seems a little unfair for countries like Iraq, Iran ect.
For example, British soldiers released today. That's good news, although lets turn the story around a bit. Just say, Iranian troops were found in American or British waters. This would be a whole different story. The Americans and British would drain every last drop with interrogating and so forth. They would not even think about letting them go. They would probably be drugged (As Saddam Hussein was) and gods knows what else. Now don't say, just because it was Easter, or there is something fishy going on. Intelligent people would have realised the point I am trying to make. Iran treated them with hospitality. As you could see on the video on the news that they were tucking away into the great food the Iran offers.

The way these country's are treated is appalling. Why are countries who dont have as much power treated this way?

Discuss.

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-04-06 13:08:37)

fadedsteve wrote:

Sympathies, apologies, and rationalizations for Iran??

STFU! You have NO CLUE. . . .LITERALLY NO CLUE!