mustang0341
Member
+0|7110|Nebraska
Ealier this 7th day of Janruary in the year of our lord 2006 I was playing Strike at Karkand on a 300 ticket map. About 5 or minutes into the game my squad and I where in armor  taking the "square".
One squad member is in the tank sitting on the flag , and I am in an APC sitting on the road to the east of the flag. I proceed to gun down every MEC that spawns on the road by or in front of me , meanwhile we are turning the flag...again I say turning the flag. This player on the MEC starts calling me a spawn camper. We turn the flag and proceed to the "suburb" where again the tank sits near the flag and I sit to the east where I can see behind the building there and to the rear. Same response from the MEC player. We take that and head to the "train wreck" where again the tank sits at the flag and I stay on the upward slope to the east to watch the "tow" and remaing ground to the left. The same MEC player types " here come the campers again." I am gunning the players down as soon as they spawn. Meanwhile throught the whole thing we are transporting four other squad members with us as they help assist in turning the flags. By now my squad has ammassed over 125 points and I myself have 54. The same MEC player who has like 22 begins a series of four unsucessful kick votes against me for "Spawn Camping". Now I did not get kicked which leads me to believe that most where on my side but I have seen this on maps before so I am convinced that there is grey area when it comes to camping. Thus I bring to you the masses this argument so all who play can voice an opinion so that we can finally figure this shit out. Also at that time I was top on the board by about 15 points and I did finish with 100 points and a gold on the map. However.......Spawn Camping or no Spawn Camping??????

PS....Am I suppossed to let them spawn and run a few steps towards my men before I shoot?? Also let me tell you that I believe that it is only spawn camping if you are at a no cap base.

Last edited by mustang0341 (2006-01-07 02:27:37)

paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7165
Nope i don't call that spawn camping, you was covering the Tank from getting C4 or whatever.

If they don't like they could spawn else where and ambush both of you.

It's a good tactic on Karkand to use armour to cover each other.

Spawn camping is more when you sit out side there last flag or uncap and blast them as soon as they appear and make no attempt to take the flag, if they got other flag's left then it fault.

It might be not fun getting killed as soon as you appear, but you wasn't just sat there killing and leaving the flag in there hands, the flag was being captured and you was covering.

Hope this post makes you feel better, it was a good tactic.
{USI}_Zombie
Member
+11|7198
Agreed...good tactic.  I define spawn camping as behing in a UC, even if it is the only enemy flag left, and also defined as being alone in a tank outside the cap zome while no one is in the zone
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7262
We don't like Explioting Flaws in game. BF42 Gazala El Alamian ? Did you think it was Cool when Enemy German Tanks Sat in your Repair hanger, invunerable and spawned killed everyone and every vehicle as it apeared with impunity in your uncapable main. While there Hanger was down the Hill and if you got in it you couldnt see anyone spawn. and maybe you could blow up an Empty Stuka every ten minutes? ? It shut down the whole game.

. There is a limit.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7145|California

i like to say baserape means that your team is winning (UC flags) ((WAKE !!!!))
Darkhelmet
cereal killer
+233|7175|the middle of nowhere
In real life, if you are on the frontlines in a tank, you are not going to just let the enemy waltz up to you and blow you to smitherines. You are goin' to shoot the crud out of them!!!!!
imdead
Death StatPadder
+228|7194|Human Meat Shield
NOpe, not spawn camping...especially if they had more than one flag. Even if it was the only one, they have options.



{USI}_Zombie .... I like your lady sig...the laying down with the G-string... Egad...

Last edited by imdead (2006-01-07 11:42:09)

tthf
Member 5307
+210|7182|06-01
i like your tactic very much!!!
i use it as well when i am in a cooperative squad.
once in the squad i was in there were 2 APCs with the 2 drivers being engi while the other 4 were medics.
we just went capping from flag to flag.
its a great tactic.
ghostgr
177th Field Artillery
+39|7166|In your head
It is only spawn camping if you are killing them at there main uncappable flag. Other than that what you where doing is fine.
idiotofwar
Jet Rammer
+4|7152|Debris From Space
The funny thing if the person that whined about spawncamping ran into a guy who just spawned, would he shoot immidatly or give the guy a chance to kill him? It's bullshit if they dont shoot.
72Wolf-
Member
+1|7139

mustang0341 wrote:

However.......Spawn Camping or no Spawn Camping??????

PS....Am I suppossed to let them spawn and run a few steps towards my men before I shoot?? Also let me tell you that I believe that it is only spawn camping if you are at a no cap base.
Not Spawn Camping.
Perfectly reasonable military tactic.  Cover your men.
I've been yelled at a few times.  Had vote kicks against me.
If I'm a squad leader, you will tend to find me away from the flag, as support, hosing anyone inbound, while my squad takes the flag.

Regarding UC bases.  If my team owns all the other spawns....It taint camping to sit on yours and own your tickets.  You should have played better before it came down to that.  Thus is the nature of war.
Tushers
Noctwisaskfirtush
+224|7109|Some where huntin in Wisconsin

72Wolf- wrote:

mustang0341 wrote:

However.......Spawn Camping or no Spawn Camping??????

PS....Am I suppossed to let them spawn and run a few steps towards my men before I shoot?? Also let me tell you that I believe that it is only spawn camping if you are at a no cap base.
Not Spawn Camping.
Perfectly reasonable military tactic.  Cover your men.
I've been yelled at a few times.  Had vote kicks against me.
If I'm a squad leader, you will tend to find me away from the flag, as support, hosing anyone inbound, while my squad takes the flag.

Regarding UC bases.  If my team owns all the other spawns....It taint camping to sit on yours and own your tickets.  You should have played better before it came down to that.  Thus is the nature of war.
Its not Base Rapping or Spawn Camping it a stratgey to reduce the other team tickets.  its a good tactic, you can prvent "base rapping or spawn camping but not leting you bases get takken over.  it is anoying when it happens to me but its also fun when your dishin it out.  thats my 2 cents
{USI}_Zombie
Member
+11|7198
{USI}_Zombie .... I like your lady sig...the laying down with the G-string... Egad...
Thank you, I have several asian beauties in the rotation

  As for if the UC is the last base left, sitting IN the area is cheap and unsporting, but sitting outside and covering the exits is fine with me
ComradeWho
Member
+50|7120|Southern California
I call sitting outside of enemy spawns and killing them before they can disperse, assess where their enemy is, and more forward smart. I don't call it spawn camping. This isn't the middle ages. We don't set up bases, parlay, agree on a mutual battle site, and then engage in combat on a no man's land respecting whichever person is able to kill the most efficiently in the designated battle area. The whole game is designed around the premise that you attack spawn points with as much ferocity as can be mustered and that victory belongs to the team that can do this the most effectively. This is why flags are cappable, this is why teams are penalized for not having enough of them. Get a grip whiney babies, get a grip. Spawn camping doesn't exist except as a description of an act. Not as some derrogatory and "honorless" behavior that cowards engage in. Even if the person is sitting in an uncappable enemy base and their team doesn't have all the flags and they're using their own armor to rake in kills of newbies that are waiting for planes - that is still not the negative "spawn camping" - that's just a stupid way to achieve victory for the team.

common sense expectations for people who are unable to think at an average level:
Expect if you're waiting on a runway to get a plane so you can kill enemies that you are making yourself vunerable.
Expect that if you are spawning at the flag that is closest to the enemy flag you are at the greatest risk of spawning infront of an enemy assaulting your flag
Expect that if people are running around a flag that enemy armor is gonna drive up and see all that commotion as attractive targets and try to pick up as many as possible (it's their job as armor for their team anyways, you know, to kill infantry).
Expect people to do everything they can do to kill you as much as they possibly can before the round ends.
TehSeraphim
Thread Ender
+58|7148|New Hampshire
I'll define it for you in a pretty simple way...

There's no such thing as spawn raping (this includes uncappable flags).  When everyone enters a game, I would like them to look at the top right corner of the server and look at the ticket counter.  The objective of every team is to reduce the enemies tickets faster than they reduce yours.  Therefore, while capping a flag, or an uncappable flag, killing by any means is necessary.  If I'm on USMC on Karkand and MEC is kicking the shit out of my team, if I get spawn camped at the artillery I'm not gonna care - chances are if we're being camped out here we're not gonna be doing very well either, and if we do get a flag we're going to lose it mighty quickly.  Furthermore - i LAUGH when MEC on Karkand (or any map without a UC base) complains of spawn camping.  If you have no uncappable, then your objective is to DEFEND your flags.  Therefore, if someone is sitting on the periphery and capping your ass as you spawn, then you're doing a pretty bad job defending - whether they're taking your flag or not.  There's always something you can do, you are never completely screwed.  The people who cry about baseraping are the people who keep spawning as assault class because the 203 is their #1 weapon of choice and refuse to change classes when an APC is sitting outside their spawn.  Spec Ops or AT, in mass groups, SHRED tanks to nothingness pretty quick.  Hell, if you have simply 2 AT guys fire at a tank at once, he can only swing the turret fast enough to get one of you (unless you're a fucktard and sit right next to your teammate). 

So I'll say it again - there's no such thing as spawn camping.
Thanatos247
100% Artillery Magnet
+3|7175|Derby, England
I 100% agree. Not spawncamping, just an excellent use of resources and teamwork in order to capture the flag.

I've been on the receiving end and the giving end of this. It is annoying when you appear then get killed, but you pick another flag. I also was harassed because I used this tactic to cover for my teammates. When I argued that this was legitimate, I got kicked off the server by an admin.

But year, I totally agree and like your tactics. Cover for you squad while they capture. The game is about winning after all.
topal63
. . .
+533|7143

TehSeraphim wrote:

I'll define it for you in a pretty simple way...

There's no such thing as spawn raping (this includes uncappable flags).  When everyone enters a game, I would like them to look at the top right corner of the server and look at the ticket counter.  The objective of every team is to reduce the enemies tickets faster than they reduce yours.  Therefore, while capping a flag, or an uncappable flag, killing by any means is necessary.  If I'm on USMC on Karkand and MEC is kicking the shit out of my team, if I get spawn camped at the artillery I'm not gonna care - chances are if we're being camped out here we're not gonna be doing very well either, and if we do get a flag we're going to lose it mighty quickly.  Furthermore - i LAUGH when MEC on Karkand (or any map without a UC base) complains of spawn camping.  If you have no uncappable, then your objective is to DEFEND your flags.  Therefore, if someone is sitting on the periphery and capping your ass as you spawn, then you're doing a pretty bad job defending - whether they're taking your flag or not.  There's always something you can do, you are never completely screwed.  The people who cry about baseraping are the people who keep spawning as assault class because the 203 is their #1 weapon of choice and refuse to change classes when an APC is sitting outside their spawn.  Spec Ops or AT, in mass groups, SHRED tanks to nothingness pretty quick.  Hell, if you have simply 2 AT guys fire at a tank at once, he can only swing the turret fast enough to get one of you (unless you're a fucktard and sit right next to your teammate). 

So I'll say it again - there's no such thing as spawn camping.
No doubt(!) . . . and Word-UP!

+
Often it is not even the only flag . . . there is almost always a choice - but people will not make a choice. And like a moron they name call (call-out) everyone they encounter.

Example:
The other day playing the Sharqi (is that how it's spelled?) map - I was able to steal the MEC tank - I drove to the APC spawn point and waited for it to spawn - and blew it up every time it regenerated. A couple guys kept spawning trying to get into the APC - so I blammo-ed them until one decided to spawn someplace else - but the other guy kept spawning and trying to get the APC so I killed him over and over; he tried C4 on a vodnik; getting in the TOW; etc, etc, etc. . . then he typed:

"It's FUCKTARDS like you that ruin this game, you spawncamping asshole!"
and
"Daddy 0 is total pussy - kick this fucker now!"

So I typed: "LOL, why don't you spawn someplace else like the other guy?"
and
"I am not letting you take this APC - to use on my team - figure it out!"

I was lucky (pure luck) to have survived alone (with 3 bars left) when I stole their tank, and decided to use it the best way possible - and my decision was no MEC tank (I am in it) so no MEC APC either - as long as I can survive in thier tank (which of course they eventually took me out). And that little bit of gameplay = a lot less tickets lost on our side.

Last edited by topal63 (2006-01-10 09:50:21)

Mj.Blindfisch
Bulletdrop-Buddha
+338|7121|Germany
It's always the same,I've been called a spawnraper for so many times now,I just wait in front of an enemy flag till my infantry buddies rush in,and that's the way a tank or apc should do it.

When you try to take the flag with a tank or apc without cover from anybody else you'll end up with C4 on your plates or a dozen SRAWs coming from a dozen directions and you are a noob for letting footsoldiers kill you that easily,if you do it correctly and stay out of the flag-area and cover your buddies at the flag you are a tankwh0re who has no other skills than ruining the game with your unfair methods.

The word "unfair" alone doesn't fit into a war game.
mustang0341
Member
+0|7110|Nebraska
wow....17 posts and not a one of them saying that what I eh...or we did and do is not camping or raping...well I huess I could live with raping because I am sure that they do not want it....lol. I am just glad that after I posted this due to being pissed off that I had some support on this so basically thanks to all who posted here. It is just that some poeple will say it is camping and then turn right around on the 24/7 wake/karkand server I play and take the jets up time and time again against the U.S carrier. Now I am all for letting noone off that carrier but when that same player who calls what I did spawn camping is in that jet, I just like him to know that it is the same premise.................nuf said..............again thanks for the support. This was my first ever thread and I must say that I like getting feedback.
pokerplaya
want to go heads up?
+11|7159|cairns australia
its called spawn pwning you are capping flags and killing\defending yourself its all good at karkand what else can you do in armour but move and kill and cap and kill and kill
Tushers
Noctwisaskfirtush
+224|7109|Some where huntin in Wisconsin

ghostgr wrote:

It is only spawn camping if you are killing them at there main uncappable flag. Other than that what you where doing is fine.
a fucking men brother
wdgt23
Member
+0|7102
I dont think its spawncamping at all, but I do have another thought about it. When you are the one spawning, it is very frustrating to keep getting shot over and over again. And in this case, that person probably decided that he had enough and went to another spawn point, and there you were again. I would be lying if I were to say that it didnt happen to me, and I would also be lying if I were to say that I never did that, and I definitely would be lying if I said I never called someone a spawncamper for doing this exact same thing. My point is that people say these things when they are frustrated, and if you get them mad enough, they will make it their personal mission to get you kicked/banned. Therefore you cant let it get to you, and you have to respect their position. (Respect, but not aid)
Rizen_Ji
Member
+41|7160|200m out and smiling at you.
hey i stick around on carriers and shoot down pilots from taking off, i dont think i've ever been yelled at for spawn camping, but i did make a lot of USMC guys pissed for not being able to take off.
dh124289
Anything but what it is now!
+11|7101
I agree with mustang, the tactic he described is 100% legit.

My own personal pet hate is being called a spawnraper for attacking the carrier or an air base with a jet... it's called air superiority, people, if enemy jets can't take off they can't kill you!

Thoughts?
=NAA=TheTaxidermist
Member
+6|7159|In a van down by the river
I'll camp there on Karkand at the Square.  This way infantry in my squad can move in to take the flag while I hold their forces back.  If you don't have any other flags than the UC, that's your teams problem.  Camp away!

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