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CameronPoe wrote:

Any chance the following pillar of Islam is one of the main things that grates the Neo-Conservative movement?

Zakat

Zakat, or alms-giving, is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so. It is considered to be a personal responsibility for Muslims to ease economic hardship for others and eliminate inequality. Zakat consists of spending a fixed portion of one's wealth for the benefit of the poor or needy, including slaves, debtors, travellers, and others. A Muslim may also donate more as an act of voluntary charity (sadaqah), in order to achieve additional divine reward.

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm wrote:

Islam institutionalized slavery.  Muhammad began to take slaves after he moved to Medina, and had power.  Slaves were usually taken in raids on nearby Arab tribes, or war, either through offensive or defensive actions.  Islam allows the taking of slaves as "booty", or reward for fighting.  This has led to numerous "jihads" by Muslim states and tribes to attack other non-Muslim groups and obtain slaves. 

The West is familiar with the history of slavery in the new world.  It was sinful and terrible, and it lasted for several hundred years.  And it was abolished mainly through the efforts of Christians in England (Wilberforce, Clarkson) and America (the Abolitionists, primarily Protestant).

However, few people in the west know about Islam and slavery.  Most would be surprised that Islam authorizes the taking of slaves as spoils of war.  From the days that Muhammad drew his sword to rob and conquer non-Muslims to this very day, Muslims have been taking non-Muslims, and even other black Muslims, as slaves.

Muslims were enslaving black Africans long before any slave ships sailed for the New World.  Muslims were taking and making slaves all over the lands they had conquered.  Later, when slave ships were loaded with black slaves, often, a Muslim slave broker had the human cargo all ready to go.  American slavers rarely had to go into inland to capture slaves, they were already waiting there, courtesy of some Muslim ruler, and/or slave broker!  In many cases, if the black slaves were not sent to the New World, they were sent to the Mideast to be enslaved by Arabs, or kept by other black Muslims as slaves.

superfly_cox wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Any chance the following pillar of Islam is one of the main things that grates the Neo-Conservative movement?

Zakat

Zakat, or alms-giving, is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so. It is considered to be a personal responsibility for Muslims to ease economic hardship for others and eliminate inequality. Zakat consists of spending a fixed portion of one's wealth for the benefit of the poor or needy, including slaves, debtors, travellers, and others. A Muslim may also donate more as an act of voluntary charity (sadaqah), in order to achieve additional divine reward.

how nice of them to give money to people that are taken as slaves in their society.  my, what  generous barbarians they are. 

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm wrote:

Islam institutionalized slavery.  Muhammad began to take slaves after he moved to Medina, and had power.  Slaves were usually taken in raids on nearby Arab tribes, or war, either through offensive or defensive actions.  Islam allows the taking of slaves as "booty", or reward for fighting.  This has led to numerous "jihads" by Muslim states and tribes to attack other non-Muslim groups and obtain slaves. 

The West is familiar with the history of slavery in the new world.  It was sinful and terrible, and it lasted for several hundred years.  And it was abolished mainly through the efforts of Christians in England (Wilberforce, Clarkson) and America (the Abolitionists, primarily Protestant).

However, few people in the west know about Islam and slavery.  Most would be surprised that Islam authorizes the taking of slaves as spoils of war.  From the days that Muhammad drew his sword to rob and conquer non-Muslims to this very day, Muslims have been taking non-Muslims, and even other black Muslims, as slaves.

Muslims were enslaving black Africans long before any slave ships sailed for the New World.  Muslims were taking and making slaves all over the lands they had conquered.  Later, when slave ships were loaded with black slaves, often, a Muslim slave broker had the human cargo all ready to go.  American slavers rarely had to go into inland to capture slaves, they were already waiting there, courtesy of some Muslim ruler, and/or slave broker!  In many cases, if the black slaves were not sent to the New World, they were sent to the Mideast to be enslaved by Arabs, or kept by other black Muslims as slaves.

some messenger of god muhammad was...

JahManRed wrote:

Ok, so Muslims have their Religion and Muhammad to blame on their years as slave masters.
Whats the christian excuse?

apollo_fi wrote:

superfly_cox wrote:

to base your spiritual belief on the teachings of a slave owner seems dubious and immoral to me.

That's an interesting point of view.

What about a constitution written by slave owners? Dubious and immoral too, I'm sure.

Varegg wrote:

Depends on what was custom of the time don`t you think ?

If it was normal to keep slaves and according to history slaves held by muslims where treated way better than most other slaves, newer research show slaves held by egyptians 3000 years ago actually had a better life than they had where they originally came from except the liberty part of course.

Slavery by western cultures have been far more an exploting business and have treated their slaves much worse !

Don`t think it`s right of you to second rate a faith on that account alone !

buttersIRL wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Depends on what was custom of the time don`t you think ?

If it was normal to keep slaves and according to history slaves held by muslims where treated way better than most other slaves, newer research show slaves held by egyptians 3000 years ago actually had a better life than they had where they originally came from except the liberty part of course.

Slavery by western cultures have been far more an exploting business and have treated their slaves much worse !

Don`t think it`s right of you to second rate a faith on that account alone !

yeah for all we know in 2000 years they'll call us barbarians for eating meat and keeping animals as pets (oh and killing for each other).  history' smistory, whats history ever done for anybody !

CameronPoe wrote:

the practice of charitable giving by [Muslims] based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so.