BF2S Forums Holocaust Memorial Demeaned

I think it`s time to move on !

The Jews (Israel, Israel lobby, etc.) will keep using the Holocaust as an excuse and reason to do whatever they want.
Like some minorities who can stand up and leave in class, punchline being "You're only doing this because I'm Black/Asian/Paki/etc."

Let the Holocaust be the Holocaust. It ended in 1945.

Last edited by Janysc (2007-04-16 05:32:53)

Nowadays every jewish person can play the "you are an antisemite" card.
There was a Holocaust whats tragic where all poor jews were killed and remember that all other rich jews could buy their freedom and then they went to america.
Anyway not only the Holocaust was a mass killing crime. Israel has also killed a lot of muslims.

Last edited by venom6 (2007-04-16 07:02:10)

On a short side note, when i visited a concentration camp on a school trip, the guide told us that while Hitler killed hundreds of thousands of people in them, Once russia took control of the camps, they killed far more people, in worse circumstances, yet i hear little of that. Not trying to make Hitler's attitude look acceptable or anything, just wondering why people hear/know very little of Russia's attrocities.

Last edited by fatherted13 (2007-04-16 16:29:24)

CameronPoe wrote:

Is this not demeaning the tribute to the sufferers of the holocaust? Perhaps they should rename it the 'Memorial to Holocaust Victims And Other Jews That Have Been Murdered'. I thought it was a memorial to those who suffered the wrath of a genocidal maniac who tried to wipe jewry from the face of the earth, not a memorial to random unrelated non-genocidal killings. This guy didn't get shipped off to Bergen-Belsen to spend two years on a diet of soup and made to run around naked before being burned alive.

It's true, the Holocaust was unique because it was a huge industrial effort. But its spirit is alive and well in Iran and elsewhere. Adding Pearl's name to the Holocaust memorial is an acknowledgment that today there are people who would like to wipe out all Jews and there are other people who would stand by and do nothing while it happened.

CameronPoe wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266261,00.html

Is this not demeaning the tribute to the sufferers of the holocaust? Perhaps they should rename it the 'Memorial to Holocaust Victims And Other Jews That Have Been Murdered'. I thought it was a memorial to those who suffered the wrath of a genocidal maniac who tried to wipe jewry from the face of the earth, not a memorial to random unrelated non-genocidal killings. This guy didn't get shipped off to Bergen-Belsen to spend two years on a diet of soup and made to run around naked before being burned alive.

It's their memorial, let them put whomever the fuck they want to in it.  You don't think he was killed for being a Jewish American?

iamangry wrote:

For years the Jewish people have let what happened to them define them, and in the end the only people who will be hurt by this will be them.

Really? you sure about that?
I'm Jewish and I'm not letting it effect me.  The other jews I know are not letting it effect them.  It hasn't defined me in the least.  My friend is a proud german, he's got an Iron Cross tattoo, and a german flag tattoo. He calls me a dirty Jew, and I call him a Kraut.
Don't generalize crap you obviously dont know about.  Not very many Jews I know run around blaiming germany/or the Holocaust for they're woah's in life.

CameronPoe wrote:

san4 wrote:

It's true, the Holocaust was unique because it was a huge industrial effort. But its spirit is alive and well in Iran and elsewhere. Adding Pearl's name to the Holocaust memorial is an acknowledgment that today there are people who would like to wipe out all Jews and there are other people who would stand by and do nothing while it happened.

Erm, you do realise that about 30,000 Jews live peacefully and unharmed in modern Iran, don't you?

I'd like to add this also.

Honestly, there's a plus and a negative side to it in my opinion.

The plus is that it shows that adversity that jews have gone through in the world....unprovoked, unwanted, and unnecessary adversity put on a lot of them for being jews. I'm not talking israel, i'm talking jews in general where they're the minority. I'd know too. I'm a former jew (now atheist) who went through over 5 years of persecution at my schools throughout the years.

The negative is that this man, while innocently killed for being an american and a jew, his death has nothing to do with the 6 million deaths of other innocent jews in europe 60 years ago.

Honestly? I think it's a toss-up whether he should or shouldn't go on. Maybe in a separate section in the memorial, but not with the 6m victims.

God, I still remember seeing that video though...i was like 10 (15 now). Shocked me since I was so young but got me used to the reality of the world and the sick people we inhabit this earth with.

fatherted13 wrote:

On a short side note, when i visited a concentration camp on a school trip, the guide told us that while Hitler killed hundreds of thousands of people in them, Once russia took control of the camps, they killed far more people, in worse circumstances, yet i hear little of that. Not trying to make Hitler's attitude look acceptable or anything, just wondering why people hear/know very little of Russia's attrocities.

Because the Victors of war write the History.

Bubbalo wrote:

Vilham wrote:

no matter how................racially motivated his death was.

How the hell was it racially motivated?

I didnt say it was.

And where the fuck did my post go, infact, i didnt even type that. I typed.

"It is retarded, no matter how racially motivated his death may have been."

Seriously some mod is abusing his powers here.

Last edited by Vilham (2007-04-17 05:54:44)

CameronPoe wrote:

san4 wrote:

It's true, the Holocaust was unique because it was a huge industrial effort. But its spirit is alive and well in Iran and elsewhere. Adding Pearl's name to the Holocaust memorial is an acknowledgment that today there are people who would like to wipe out all Jews and there are other people who would stand by and do nothing while it happened.

Erm, you do realise that about 30,000 Jews live peacefully and unharmed in modern Iran, don't you?

They are second-class citizens.

BBC wrote:

But there are legal problems for Jews in Iran - if one member of a Jewish family converts to Islam he can inherit all the family's property.

Jews cannot become army officers and the headmasters of the Jewish schools in Tehran are all Muslim, though there is no law that says this should be so.

But their greatest vulnerability is their links to Israel - where many Jews have relatives.

Seven years ago a group of Jews in the southern city of Shiraz was accused of spying for Israel - eventually they were all released....

"Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you," he explains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

Wikipedia wrote:

The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Je … us_in_Iran

Ahmedinejad's threat to wipe Israel off the map, his calling the Holocaust a myth, and Iran's participation in the bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina before Ahmedinejad came to power suggest that Iran doesn't have much regard for Jewish lives. Maybe I'm not giving Iran the benefit of the doubt, but to me it looks like Russia and other countries that grudgingly tolerated Jews until there was a good enough excuse to massacre them. The continuity with pre-Holocaust Jewish life is striking.

@Kmarion, I'm not sure which way that article cuts. The fact that Iranians need remedial education in 20th century history is disturbing.