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CameronPoe wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Any chance the following pillar of Islam is one of the main things that grates the Neo-Conservative movement?

Zakat

Zakat, or alms-giving, is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so. It is considered to be a personal responsibility for Muslims to ease economic hardship for others and eliminate inequality. Zakat consists of spending a fixed portion of one's wealth for the benefit of the poor or needy, including slaves, debtors, travellers, and others. A Muslim may also donate more as an act of voluntary charity (sadaqah), in order to achieve additional divine reward.

Then why is the Arab majority so poor even though they get so much revenue for oil?

Because the ruling classes aren't very good muslims, playing by America's rules for personal gain (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.)?

America's rules of personal gain are healthy. It forces people to better themselves inorder to acheive a higher station in life. The Arab's play our game with their rules and ass out the majority. The Arab's are poor because, like you said, their leaders. It has nothing to do with America.

rawls2 wrote:

America's rules of personal gain are healthy. It forces people to better themselves inorder to acheive a higher station in life. The Arab's play our game with their rules and ass out the majority. The Arab's are poor because, like you said, their leaders. It has nothing to do with America.

I never said personal gain was unhealthy. Nor does it explicitly state that personal gain is bad in the Q'uran. But the slightest hint at any kind of socialist values brings out the worst in elitist neo-conservatives.

Not being funny Cam but isn't thread essentially, "The word Altruism can be translated to arabic as Zakat".

Not really interesting when you put it like that and I guess that "zakat" is pretty much the same.  The majority can't afford to do it and the rich only do it as long as they get TV coverage and a magazine interview out it.

Is "Zakat" a principle Muslim belief or an optional one like altruism?

ATG wrote:

The issues have to do more with their archaic and barbaric society. You know, the stoning to death, the punishment of rape victims, the beheading via large knife, the spontaneous exploding in crowds of people, the poppy growing and heroin exportation by these " religious " assholes, the radical teaching in schools, the defiance of international will regarding nuclear power, the endless car-bombings and cross border excursions, their utter inability to live peacefully even amoungst themselves, their sexual depravity ( The Sauds are famous for likig teh little boyz ), their silly war songs and  predilection  for cowardly tactics like the use of IEDs and so on.

Way to cherry pick the facts ATG... lets do the same with America shall we?

Obese, violent, gun toting, racist, slave-driving, war mongers who sell nuclear weapons to some of the most violent countries in the world (e.g. Israel), kill people by electrocution and lethal injection and have an utter inability to live peacefully (Iraq, Afghanistan, Ethiopia) even amongst themselves (crazily high crime rates ...yet another Columbine style massacre on the news again). Let's not forget the bible bashing extremists (who have even taken the Presidency), the fact that there are quite a few kiddy fiddlers in America too and the biased media that help perpetuate the myth of 'us against them' (e.g. FOX News).

It's very easy to pick out all the bad points of something ATG but it doesn't mean they make the whole picture.

In reference to your last point, are you trying to suggest it's braver to drop bombs from a plane thousands of feet up in the air than to use an IED? I consider both methods pretty damn cowardly.

CameronPoe wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Not being funny Cam but isn't thread essentially, "The word Altruism can be translated to arabic as Zakat".

Not really interesting when you put it like that and I guess that "zakat" is pretty much the same.  The majority can't afford to do it and the rich only do it as long as they get TV coverage and a magazine interview out it.

Is "Zakat" a principle Muslim belief or an optional one like altruism?

It is actually one of the five pillars of Islam - the central tenets - not just optional stuff 'somewhere towards the back of the Q'uran'..

Furry Muff. But, scarily this is also one of the five pillars

"1) Shahadah

The shahadah is the Islamic creed. It means "to testify" or "to bear witness" in Arabic. The shahadah is the Muslim declaration of belief in the oneness of God and in Muhammad as his prophet. It is said daily in the call to prayer, at the beginning of prayers, and during times of 'Dhikr' (before and after praying; in the late evening and in the early morning). The prayer, while varying, must acknowledge that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad was his prophet.

I kind of see where that and other religions don't mix. "Jesus was the prophet". "No Muhammad was", blah, blah blah, WW3 ensues.

Last edited by =OBS= EstebanRey (2007-04-17 11:08:18)

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Not being funny Cam but isn't thread essentially, "The word Altruism can be translated to arabic as Zakat".

Not really interesting when you put it like that and I guess that "zakat" is pretty much the same.  The majority can't afford to do it and the rich only do it as long as they get TV coverage and a magazine interview out it.

Is "Zakat" a principle Muslim belief or an optional one like altruism?

It is actually one of the five pillars of Islam - the central tenets - not just optional stuff 'somewhere towards the back of the Q'uran'..

Furry Muff. But, scarily this is also one of the five pillars

"1) Shahadah

The shahadah is the Islamic creed. It means "to testify" or "to bear witness" in Arabic. The shahadah is the Muslim declaration of belief in the oneness of God and in Muhammad as his prophet. It is said daily in the call to prayer, at the beginning of prayers, and during times of 'Dhikr' (before and after praying; in the late evening and in the early morning). The prayer, while varying, must acknowledge that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad was his prophet.

I kind of see where that and other religions don't mix. "Jesus was the prophet". "No Muhammad was", blah, blah blah, WW3 ensues.

Jeusus is a prophet...he's known as Isa.

JahManRed wrote:

Ok, so Muslims have their Religion and Muhammad to blame on their years as slave masters.
Whats the christian excuse?

The fact that they were lazy and there was cheap labor.... And to think they all call me the Jew
Slavery was an Evil that damn near every nation was guilty of.  If 1 wrong could be un-done I would pray that slavery would be that wrong.  The holocaust has nothing on the torture and inhumanity of slavery.

True communism is unachievable, all men are not equal i'm afraid..

CameronPoe wrote:

Any chance the following pillar of Islam is one of the main things that grates the Neo-Conservative movement?

Zakat

Zakat, or alms-giving, is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so. It is considered to be a personal responsibility for Muslims to ease economic hardship for others and eliminate inequality. Zakat consists of spending a fixed portion of one's wealth for the benefit of the poor or needy, including slaves, debtors, travellers, and others. A Muslim may also donate more as an act of voluntary charity (sadaqah), in order to achieve additional divine reward.

Charity doesn't grate at my conservative mind.

CameronPoe wrote:

...playing by America's rules for personal gain...

The US doesn't have a monopoly on greed.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-04-17 11:51:40)

So you're telling me you were the last sperm to reach the egg? you lost the race and yet you're here.
Relax bud, it was a joke.  But in all honesty people should be equal jsut others with the current power base choose greed over equality

Its ok IG, do you need a Hug, or a pint of guinness.. Me I just need to see some titties.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Any chance the following pillar of Islam is one of the main things that grates the Neo-Conservative movement?

Zakat

Zakat, or alms-giving, is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so. It is considered to be a personal responsibility for Muslims to ease economic hardship for others and eliminate inequality. Zakat consists of spending a fixed portion of one's wealth for the benefit of the poor or needy, including slaves, debtors, travellers, and others. A Muslim may also donate more as an act of voluntary charity (sadaqah), in order to achieve additional divine reward.

Charity doesn't grate at my conservative mind.

CameronPoe wrote:

...playing by America's rules for personal gain...

The US doesn't have a monopoly on greed.

Perhaps you're not a neo-conservative. Why does everyone think that because they have some conservative tendencies that references to neo-conservatives are directed at them?