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2007-04-17 12:47:47
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7083|949

ATG wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Excellent point, +1.
No, it wasn't.
It was a shitty, mean thing to say, what was there, 3 fuck yous? 4?

Pretty sorry assed shit.
Yes, I am a mean, hateful person who says fuck you to people who profess compassion for those that die.  No.

We could fill up the fucking Internet with stories about death.  Real people die every fucking day.  Real people that have families, friends, coworkers.  Why should I be more sorry and compassionate for these (VT)people?

Like I said before, I care deeply about all living things.  I am a self-proclaimed humanist.  Any vile bloodshed pisses me off, and at the same time depresses me.  It is not mean, it is reality.  I care about these people just as much as I care about people getting tortured in Zimbabwe or people dying in Iraq, or India, or Mexico, or Colombia, or Cuba, or Canada, or anywhere.

I should feel more compassion for these people because they were my countrymen/innocent/the result of wanton human craziness?  But you guys, you who have your ribbons in your sigs and want to memorialize this and say "our thoughts are with those" (which in itself is not a bad thing, I support the intentions) I do say fuck you to you, because only when this happens 'close to home' or is some ridiculously violent act, only then do you give a fuck.

But I'm the asshole right?
2007-04-17 12:48:35
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7081|Washington, DC

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
2007-04-17 12:51:55
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7100

Hurricane wrote:

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.
I suggest you join more forums, it happens everywhere.

Hurricane wrote:

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
I manage quite well thank you.
2007-04-17 12:52:53
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7081|Washington, DC

ghettoperson wrote:

Hurricane wrote:

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.
I suggest you join more forums, it happens everywhere.

Hurricane wrote:

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
I manage quite well thank you.
I havent read through this whole thing because I figure it's one person blaming it on a group of people, a few insults, a few requests that we respect those that died, and then the process repeats itself. -_-
2007-04-17 12:53:42
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7083|949

hate&discontent wrote:

more stringent gun laws = more illegal guns.  if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.  listen i don't want to distract from the terrible acts that happened at VT, but damn it, gun control is NOT the answer.  they already have God knows how many laws on handguns, and they don't enforce them, sad but true.  i am a pro gun person, i am a responsible gun owner and i have a ccw.  should they arm the profs in colleges, maybe, it should be a choice, should they arm high school and lower teachers, definitely no.  am i for a trained security team that can respond before the police arrive YES, actually i would volunteer for this duty and have thought about making a business out of it, but i don't know where to start. granted, security for a college is MUCH harder to undertake than a high school, but it can be done.  surveillance equipment isn't hard to install and monitor, it's the team of security people that is the hard part.
Gun Control is the answer.  Just not our ass-backwards bureaucratic 'gun-control' laws that we have here in the US.  The laws we have here are for the most part the work of lobby groups that are looking to reduce statistics.  Well, that doesn't help for shit.

You had it right on when you pointed out that there is no enforcement.  Why enact laws if you aren't going to provide funds for enforcement?

I am not Pro Gun per say, but I do have the opinion that we should be allowed to do whatever we want as long as we do not harm other people.  Owning a gun in itself does not harm people.  Irresponsible gun ownership does harm people (quite often).  We need to weed out irresponsible gun owners.  That is the idea of gun legislation.

I am sure there are many responsible gun owners like yourself if indeed you are (I have no reason not to believe so).  I am sure you would have no problem showing the government (through regulation and enforcement) that you are a responsible gun owner, right?
2007-04-17 12:55:07
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6845|The Gem Saloon

Hurricane wrote:

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
who has completely disrespected those who lost people?
i personally think this is a great time to debate these issues seeing as how these issues had alot to do with what happened yesterday.


if you dont like it, no one is forcing you into the debate and serious talk section of the forums.
2007-04-17 12:56:30
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7100

Hurricane wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Hurricane wrote:

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.
I suggest you join more forums, it happens everywhere.

Hurricane wrote:

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
I manage quite well thank you.
I havent read through this whole thing because I figure it's one person blaming it on a group of people
Yes, liberals
a few insults,
Loads of those
a few requests that we respect those that died,
Yup

and then the process repeats itself. -_-
Pretty much. We got very centered around gun control for a while, all though it was off and on between the rest of the above.
2007-04-17 12:58:28
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7083|949

Hurricane wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Hurricane wrote:

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.
I suggest you join more forums, it happens everywhere.

Hurricane wrote:

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
I manage quite well thank you.
I havent read through this whole thing because I figure it's one person blaming it on a group of people, a few insults, a few requests that we respect those that died, and then the process repeats itself. -_-
So you say this is the only forum that turns a tragic event into a "stupid fucking argument" then proceed to say that you didn't even read all of it?

It is a tragic event.  It sucks.  Does that mean we need to forget about reality and life and just think about those unfortunate people that were lost?

I have lost more than one very close friend, and family before.  It fucking sucks.  It doesn't mean I am going to drown myself with sorrow.  This world is gigantic.  Go fucking mourn the 1000s that die every day, and then tell me what I am doing wrong.
2007-04-17 13:08:52
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|7011
I suggest we all go out and watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" again if neede be. Some good points we could all get from that film. The guy was truely on to something untill he was labeled a traitor by the Rove spin machine.
2007-04-17 13:10:25
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6980|Global Command

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

hate&discontent wrote:

more stringent gun laws = more illegal guns.  if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.  listen i don't want to distract from the terrible acts that happened at VT, but damn it, gun control is NOT the answer.  they already have God knows how many laws on handguns, and they don't enforce them, sad but true.  i am a pro gun person, i am a responsible gun owner and i have a ccw.  should they arm the profs in colleges, maybe, it should be a choice, should they arm high school and lower teachers, definitely no.  am i for a trained security team that can respond before the police arrive YES, actually i would volunteer for this duty and have thought about making a business out of it, but i don't know where to start. granted, security for a college is MUCH harder to undertake than a high school, but it can be done.  surveillance equipment isn't hard to install and monitor, it's the team of security people that is the hard part.
Gun Control is the answer.  Just not our ass-backwards bureaucratic 'gun-control' laws that we have here in the US.  The laws we have here are for the most part the work of lobby groups that are looking to reduce statistics.  Well, that doesn't help for shit.

You had it right on when you pointed out that there is no enforcement.  Why enact laws if you aren't going to provide funds for enforcement?

I am not Pro Gun per say, but I do have the opinion that we should be allowed to do whatever we want as long as we do not harm other people.  Owning a gun in itself does not harm people.  Irresponsible gun ownership does harm people (quite often).  We need to weed out irresponsible gun owners.  That is the idea of gun legislation.

I am sure there are many responsible gun owners like yourself if indeed you are (I have no reason not to believe so).  I am sure you would have no problem showing the government (through regulation and enforcement) that you are a responsible gun owner, right?
It's all about tone. Your tone was harsh without need.
Yes I'm a gun owner, and my guns scare the fuck outta people who don't know better because they have black plastic, stainless steel, scopes and large clips. I have no real issue with waiting periods and some regulation.



That was his school. This is a tramatic event, and you are simply kicking salt in the wounds.

rawls2 wrote:

I suggest we all go out and watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" again if neede be. Some good points we could all get from that film. The guy was truely on to something untill he was labeled a traitor by the Rove spin machine.
Traitor is what he is.
Fucking arrogent blowhard traitor.

Last edited by ATG (2007-04-17 13:11:18)

2007-04-17 13:16:50
hate&discontent
USMC 0311 SEMPER FI
+69|6839|USA, MICHIGAN
i would have no problem what so ever proving that i am indeed a responsible gun owner.  with the gun laws that are already in place (if they would just enforce them) things would be a little different.  let's just face it, would you like to live in a place where it was illegal to have firearms, hell no i wouldn't!  because i would have no defence against the gang members, thugs, muggers, rapist and any other person that willfully breaks the law and does have a firearm.  because without a doubt you know that these law breakers will have a firearm.  i think that i'm starting to rant so, i'll stop for now.
2007-04-17 13:18:16
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7212

rawls2 wrote:

I suggest we all go out and watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine"
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
2007-04-17 13:18:31
HeimdalX
Member
+37|7101
They locked down my university campus because some guy had an umbrella and someone thought it was a gun... it was raining.

This shit is getting retarded, they're going to try to ban guns because of it. I'm as liberal as they come, but they shouldn't ban guns. We need guns. We need guns to defend ourselves and fight the government if need be. Guns are fucking cool too. Just give people an IQ test before selling them one, and don't fucking sell them to foreigners ffs.
2007-04-17 13:19:23
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|7001|CH/BR - in UK

Hurricane wrote:

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
Ah really. Why, if this is supposed to be mourned about, is it in the Debate and Serious Talk Section? We simply debate the points, the way we do with other topics, such as the Iraq war and Israel-Palestine, where people die too - I assure you, the numbers exceed 32 by far.
There are many people dying daily because of sicknesses, violence, hunger etc.
Do you mourn them? Do you not discuss what could be done to prevent these things?
Please - just because it's in the USA doesn't make it any more tragic than an event in the Middle-East, in Africa or in the middle of nowhere.
Think about it.

-konfusion
2007-04-17 14:16:40
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7122|UK

Hurricane wrote:

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
meh, fuck em.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-04-17 14:18:05
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7122|UK

ATG wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

hate&discontent wrote:

more stringent gun laws = more illegal guns.  if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.  listen i don't want to distract from the terrible acts that happened at VT, but damn it, gun control is NOT the answer.  they already have God knows how many laws on handguns, and they don't enforce them, sad but true.  i am a pro gun person, i am a responsible gun owner and i have a ccw.  should they arm the profs in colleges, maybe, it should be a choice, should they arm high school and lower teachers, definitely no.  am i for a trained security team that can respond before the police arrive YES, actually i would volunteer for this duty and have thought about making a business out of it, but i don't know where to start. granted, security for a college is MUCH harder to undertake than a high school, but it can be done.  surveillance equipment isn't hard to install and monitor, it's the team of security people that is the hard part.
Gun Control is the answer.  Just not our ass-backwards bureaucratic 'gun-control' laws that we have here in the US.  The laws we have here are for the most part the work of lobby groups that are looking to reduce statistics.  Well, that doesn't help for shit.

You had it right on when you pointed out that there is no enforcement.  Why enact laws if you aren't going to provide funds for enforcement?

I am not Pro Gun per say, but I do have the opinion that we should be allowed to do whatever we want as long as we do not harm other people.  Owning a gun in itself does not harm people.  Irresponsible gun ownership does harm people (quite often).  We need to weed out irresponsible gun owners.  That is the idea of gun legislation.

I am sure there are many responsible gun owners like yourself if indeed you are (I have no reason not to believe so).  I am sure you would have no problem showing the government (through regulation and enforcement) that you are a responsible gun owner, right?
It's all about tone. Your tone was harsh without need.
Yes I'm a gun owner, and my guns scare the fuck outta people who don't know better because they have black plastic, stainless steel, scopes and large clips. I have no real issue with waiting periods and some regulation.



That was his school. This is a tramatic event, and you are simply kicking salt in the wounds.

rawls2 wrote:

I suggest we all go out and watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" again if neede be. Some good points we could all get from that film. The guy was truely on to something untill he was labeled a traitor by the Rove spin machine.
Traitor is what he is.
Fucking arrogent blowhard traitor.
Only in America.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-04-17 14:23:12
JackerP
aka S.J.N.P.0717
+21|6728|Mo Val, Cali
Idk if anybody mentioned this but I was watching Bush's address speech about Virgina Tech "today our nation grieves with those who have lost loved ones at Virginia Tech. We hold the victims in our hearts, we lift them up in our prays. And we ask a LOVING GOD..."

Now I was feeling sad for those who got shot and those who died but started cracking up when I heard those last words.
2007-04-17 14:41:17
logitech487
Member
+16|6854|From The State Of Taxes
If They Take Our Guns Away From Us , Then Who Going To Protect Us ? The Police ? No One But Yourself
2007-04-17 15:04:01
DemonAlucard
Member
+2|6925|Laredo,Texas USA

m3thod wrote:

Only in America.
oh please.......i had enough of the ''Only in America'' Bullshit

you should read this past ones


China captures suspect man in school shooting 13:46 2005-10-14

A man accused of shooting at a primary school in eastern China and injuring 16 children and two adults has been captured in Beijing, the government said Friday. Liu Shibin is accused of opening fire with six homemade guns at a schoolyard in Guangde county, Anhui province, on Wednesday as students did their morning exercises.

http://newsfromrussia.com/accidents/.../14/65253.html

Monday, 5 August, 2002, 13:12 GMT 14:12 UK

Gunmen attack Pakistan school Pakistan army troopers stand guard at the main entrance of the Murree Christian School
The school says its guards saved the children's lives
At least six people have been killed in a gun attack on a missionary school for foreign students in Pakistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2173184.stm


It doesn't just happen in America. It just happens more often.
2007-04-17 15:07:58
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7052|132 and Bush

konfusion wrote:

Hurricane wrote:

Good game, this is probably the only web forum on the internet that takes something as tragic as this and turns it into a fucking stupid argument. And what's worse is that the posters have the audacity to completely disrespect those who lost friends here.

Honestly, how the fuck some people on here can even function in real life is beyond me.
Ah really. Why, if this is supposed to be mourned about, is it in the Debate and Serious Talk Section? We simply debate the points, the way we do with other topics, such as the Iraq war and Israel-Palestine, where people die too - I assure you, the numbers exceed 32 by far.

-konfusion
My problem was with the immediate response some had before we had any of the facts in (Media especially). With not so much as even a "damn that sucks" people started lining their position on what should happen, followed up quickly with statistical data (sadly I participated in this as well) as if they were rubbing dirt in the face of a nation that is already mourning. It is better to light one small candle than to curse the darkness.


This is also a serious talk section, meaning we don't have to debate or disagree with every thread. I don't consider yesterdays massacre exactly junk drawer material. Since I have been active in these forums I don't think I have seen a more disgraceful disregard for respect by each member (On both sides of the issue). Name calling and "F*** you's" are simply not necessary.

If you can't keep a level head this forum is not for you
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-04-17 15:19:45
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|7001|CH/BR - in UK

disturbing and annoying (something that targets the whole BF2s community):


-konfusion
2007-04-17 15:29:11
millhous
Member
+39|7088|OREEGONE, USA
^^ROFL!!!

What'll they blame next......sock puppets?

Everything that comes close to resembling violence in their lives is associated with their motive.  If the kid got stung by a bee, they'd blame them.

Last edited by millhous (2007-04-17 15:29:42)

2007-04-17 15:29:30
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7083|949

Kmarion wrote:

My problem was with the imediate response some had before we had any of the facts in (Media especially). With not so much as even a "damn that sucks" people started lining their position on what should happen, followed up quickly with statistical data (sadly I participated in this as well) as if they were rubbing dirt in the face of a nation that is already mourning. It is better to light one small candle than to curse the darkness.


This is also a serious talk section, meaning we don't have to debate or disagree with every thread. I don't consider yesterdays massacre exactly junk drawer material. Since I have been active in these forums I don't think I have seen a more disgraceful disregard for respect by each member (On both sides of the issue). Name calling and "F*** you's" are simply not neccesary.

If you can't keep a level head this forum is not for you
Don't watch mainstream media and you don't have to listen to that mindless drivel.

I justify my massive amount of 'fuck you''s in my posts.  It sucks that people have died.  I don't need people to tell me how to feel.  It fucking sucks.  I've lost members of my family, and very close friends.  I know firsthand what it feels like.  I don't have a problem with people voicing their condolences at all.

I DO have a problem with people telling me how to feel, and telling me I shouldn't be making this political.

I DO have a problem with people not giving a rat's ass when this happens all over the place everyday, then putting ribbons in their sigs and professing their condolences when it happens here in a closed setting in an industrialized, wealthy country where media coverage is all over.  That pisses me off more than any of this.

I DO have a problem with people failing to realize that 'gun-control' is a GOOD thing!  Responsible gun owners should embrace regulation and enforcement, because it separates them from the criminal, irresponsible gun owners (anti-gun groups fail to see there is a difference).

I apologize for the tone of my post, because like ATG said it was very harsh.  I do not apologize for telling people to open their eyes and look at all the bloodshed around them that they ignore every day.

edit: this is to no one in particular

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-04-17 15:31:17)

2007-04-17 15:51:50
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7052|132 and Bush

As you stated NO one has the right to tell anyone how they should feel. This includes someone feeling the pain of those who lost their loved ones and expressing it in their signature with a ribbon. No matter how hypocritical or disingenuous it might appear to you. I never had a problem with anyone sharing their opinion. It was the tone (As you have recognized). My post was for everyone. KEN-JENNINGS your post seemed to me like you just lost composure (I could be wrong), you are well respected around here and I would never suggest that you do not share your opinion. It is an asset to these forums.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-04-17 15:56:37
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|7028|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!
I was listening to Youth of the nation by POD when i learnt about that...kinda disturbing :S

Tragic indeed...my heart goes to all family and people at VT

 

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