BF2S Forums SPM vs. KD

terrafirma wrote:

I am not sure either way on this. 

Here is a question to ponder though:

What if I go 40-10, but 30 of my kills are subsequently revived by the other team.  Have I done anything positive?

Heres a wacky question. Am i missing something or.... why are you not a Lt. General already?

im_in_heaven wrote:

terrafirma wrote:

I am not sure either way on this. 

Here is a question to ponder though:

What if I go 40-10, but 30 of my kills are subsequently revived by the other team.  Have I done anything positive?

Heres a wacky question. Am i missing something or.... why are you not a Lt. General already?

I need to get to 1250 hours to get that rank.

spm, more points= more killing or more reviving/resupplying excetera
kd could just be whoring in a heli despite them having no bases, but then again so could spm....
having a high team point count is better for a team than kd

chittydog wrote:

I hope everyone who voted K/D is always on the other team. You guys make it easy for me to keep my W/L ratio high!

1.51 is high?  lmao.

Marinejuana wrote:

On average, which is more useful for the team, high SPM or high KD?

Although I am convinced that a high K/D is more useful for the team than a high SPM, after my 318 hours of playing experience I still have to say: SPM. Let me explain this:

I am quite a good player in terms of K/D, but I am only average in terms of SPM. Also my Win-Loss Ratio is only average just like my SPM. But I think that most of the losses were not my fault.

I can kill a lot of enemy alone but I cannot win the round alone. Whether I win or lose, it doesn't depends only on me. Usually there are 10 other people on my side, and the victory depends on the performance of these players, as well. If the victory would depend only on me(if there would be a Game Mode '1 vs. 1' and if I would play only this mode), I think my Win-Loss Ratio would much higher.

Basically what I say: You can kill a lot of enemy, thus you can get a high K/D, but it's completely useless if most of your teammates suck, you will still lose despite your high K/D. Let me show you 2 screenshots: one from me and one from PlaneWhore. I think these screenshots speak for themselves.

I think a high K/D is more useful for the team than a high SPM only if your teammates don't suck, only in cases when at least half of your teammates have a better K/D than 1, otherwise your K/D will be completely useless, considering its effect on the outcome of the round - no matter how high it was(I mean your K/D).

By the way I would have a question: Let us suppose that we would organize a war between two teams(ten players in each teams). Team K/D against Team SPM. Team K/D would consist of players who are skilled at killing enemies and at how not to die often, but are only average at getting a high SPM(just like me). Team SPM would consist of players who are skilled at getting high SPM-s but they aren't as skilled at killing enemies as members of the Team K/D. Which team do you think would win?

I think Team K/D would win, because members of the Team SPM would die a lot more, they would only stare at the spawnscreen therefore they were unable to do what they are good at. (Because nobody can do anything if he is dead.)

Last edited by GameOver (2007-04-21 16:19:23)

Varies wildly according to situation. And sometimes neither.

jsnipy wrote:

kdr > wlr > spm

WLR > SPM??

ok one thing that sets them apart u can't tell skill from spm because if you play IO it's going to be high hands down than if you play vehicles.  U can tell skill from KDR because it shows how much your cappable of killing, and if you say its high cause of vehicle whoreing...well it took probably for ever to get to a point were u can go 30-1 and many deaths

I think these both go hand in hand. You could argue that with a high spm you revive many teammates, so they don't die - still, in the end the team that had more incidents will lose

if u have a high score per minute and high kill to death ratio, then ur owning and probably helping as much as u can.

if u have a high score per minute, but low kill to death ratio, then u are still probably useful because (padders aside) u are keeping team members or vehicles alive, or u are on flags causing them to turn faster and end battles, and u are probably charging the enemy repeatedly with your teammates causing enemies to be outnumbered and killed by your team's best guns (if not your own gun).

if u have a high kill to death ratio, but low score per minute, chances are you arent very useful, there are probably way too many potential flag cappers that you arent killing. they are spawning at a much higher rate than u kill, so u are not personally preventing very many enemies from running around the map killing your dudes. Keep in mind that nobody has to die to lose a flag, so even if u are still alive after your team has been raped, u arent changing the situation for your team. if anything you are making it worse because by not facing the enemy next to your teammates, you are leaving them to be overwhelmed by the more aggressive enemy. There is always the possibility that the few people u kill are very critical people, though, so there is potential for the team, but if you are able to kill the best players evey time, or if u are able to kill everybody that comes to a flag (which should be continuously), then your SPM will be high.

if u have low SPM and KD, then you probably aren't doing much.

Because you can be useful without a good KD, but almost can't be useful with a low SPM, I'd say SPM is more important. At either extreme, they usually go hand in hand, but low SPM KD players are pretty much useless. They are a lot like statpadders actually.

Last edited by Marinejuana (2007-04-25 12:08:19)

My SPM is higher than KDR...








But I like KDR better!

Kill death ratio means you, as an individual, are inflicting ticket loss. Of course, unless you're in a plane or a helo, you can really only be in one place at any given time.

SPM means you're capturing flags and allowing your team to use other spawn points, as well as better vehicles. You're making a better situation for the team as a whole, meaning more ticket loss from not having flags, and the ticket loss that's going to come naturally out of combat and having access to things like armor.

It's a no-brainer. SPM. Unless all you play is Karkand.