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2007-04-22 04:36:12
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6731|Tyne & Wear, England
Example:  I have many hours on Ghost Town and whenever I play there I always play awesomely.  However when I try Karkand for example I tend to suck immensely.  Everything that is conceivable seems to go wrong like getting headshot with an AK from 100 miles away, landing on claymores every two fucking minutes and getting killed from people with a global score of 23.  So, the question is, is knowing a map an important aspect of BF2 and why?
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
2007-04-22 04:37:22
Emil
Teh strogg!
+205|6747|Trondheim, Norway
Don't know if it is important, but it is an advantage to know the map, and it's secrets...
2007-04-22 04:38:09
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6835|NYC / Hamburg

Yes it is. If you don't know your way around you tend to run into traps
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2007-04-22 04:45:54
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6817|EUtopia | Austria

KILLSWITCH wrote:

However when I try Karkand for example I tend to suck immensely.  Everything that is conceivable seems to go wrong like getting headshot with an AK from 100 miles away, landing on claymores every two fucking minutes and getting killed from people with a global score of 23.
Welcome to Karkand

And yes, knowing a map is important, but it's more important on Mashtuur and Sharqi than on Karkand.
2007-04-22 04:49:18
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6835|NYC / Hamburg

Stormscythe wrote:

KILLSWITCH wrote:

However when I try Karkand for example I tend to suck immensely.  Everything that is conceivable seems to go wrong like getting headshot with an AK from 100 miles away, landing on claymores every two fucking minutes and getting killed from people with a global score of 23.
Welcome to Karkand

And yes, knowing a map is important, but it's more important on Mashtuur and Sharqi than on Karkand.
true. All you need to know with Karkand is that the Hotel is the place to be
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2007-04-22 04:51:27
Fosterthelegend
:)
+97|6883|Kent, UK
it's not vital but it certainly helps. whenever i play sf i tend to suck cause i never play it, same for euro forces and armoured fury, i suck at it.
whereas any of the maps on bf2 i do really well
2007-04-22 05:10:13
Simon
basically
+838|6926|UK

KILLSWITCH wrote:

Example:  I have many hours on Ghost Town and whenever I play there I always play awesomely.  However when I try Karkand for example I tend to suck immensely.  Everything that is conceivable seems to go wrong like getting headshot with an AK from 100 miles away, landing on claymores every two fucking minutes and getting killed from people with a global score of 23.  So, the question is, is knowing a map an important aspect of BF2 and why?
Yes, knowning your surroundings are a very very important aspect in BF2.
2007-04-22 05:20:12
Djbrown
Member
+129|6764|Adelaide, Aussieland
I suppose its a benefit in knowing where the most points are to be had.

I mean i know in karkand, if i want the highest chance of getting a grenade kill ill throw them into the hotel spawn between the two southerly buildings. If im in wake and someones capping a flag and im in the jet, ill bomb the typical places where they hide.

Although it does prevent you getting lost, lol ive spent hours walking through the iron gator and i dont know how to get anywhere.

Last edited by Djbrown (2007-04-22 05:21:08)

2007-04-22 05:23:04
Emil
Teh strogg!
+205|6747|Trondheim, Norway

Djbrown wrote:

Although it does prevent you getting lost, lol ive spent hours walking through the iron gator and i dont know how to get anywhere.
Lol, that's right, on Gator it is very important to know the map, the best way to learn it is to join a big squad (if it's a lot of high ranked people in it, chances are bigger that they know the map), the follow your squad around.
2007-04-22 05:32:24
Jameseyy
Banned
+108|6496|Scotland!
I've noticed it too, when I play on warlord I'm usually one of the best on my team, when my play karkand i'm struggling to stay top 5 all the time.

My theory is that there's just a lot more newer people playing maps like warlord and there's a ton of people playing karkand with more than 500 hours on just that map. So even though I know karkand inside and out, they're all one step ahead of me.
2007-04-22 05:55:42
wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
+321|6728|UK
Yes it is don't worry too much about it just keep playing on a map for a bit and you see alll the nooks, crannies, flankpoints, nade spam points and all the good places for cover.
2007-04-22 05:59:16
Invaderzim
Chicken wing?
+49|6716|Newcastle NSW Australia
Its probly the most important thing to know. If you have fore knowledge of where troops and armour will be funneled or choked then you have a huge advantage. Also knowing maps allows you to pull of pixel shots which can be a massive help. i.e. keeping the MEC chopper down with the TOW on sharqi.
2007-04-22 06:06:38
nonexistentusmc
Member
+26|6713|Queens, NYC
Of course it's important. History has shown that wars are won by knowing the terrain. Foreign invaders can rarely ever win a war. So just the same in a map, if you are foreign to it, there will be hiding spots where those AK-101 shots from 100 miles come from, in which you don't know about.
2007-04-22 06:12:16
globefish23
sophisticated slacker
+334|6591|Graz, Austria
It is important to know the map layout, but more important is where the majority of players is running around or hiding and where the majority expects YOU to run around and hide.

E.g. in Karkand, there are 3 major routes where the USMC tries to get into the town.
On the left over the hills to reach the Suburbs, on the right behind the houses to reach Train accident or Cement Factory and in the middle, head on to the Hotel.

Of course, on other more open maps people have more possibilities to sneak around on other paths.
2007-04-22 06:20:57
Emil
Teh strogg!
+205|6747|Trondheim, Norway

Jameseyy wrote:

My theory is that there's just a lot more newer people playing maps like warlord and there's a ton of people playing karkand with more than 500 hours on just that map. So even though I know karkand inside and out, they're all one step ahead of me.
Oh? To me it always seems to be a lot more new players in vanilla than sf...

But I usually don't struggle to be in the top.. no matter what map really..
2007-04-22 06:29:31
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6833|England

Yes, it is important. If you know a map like the back of your hand then you have a significant advantage over other players. What vehicles spawn where, where the spawn points are and which CP's are easy to take due to them being low traffic areas. Normal "jet routes", locations of stationary and mobile AA spawns, locations of TOW's - all important.
And one of the best ways to learn new ideas is to watch other people. Such as Surge, when the Spetz capture the Outer Ridge CP - get up on the cliff above it and zipline down to the Fuel Depot CP. I only found that out yesterday playing IO - yet its the best way for the Spetz to get to that rear area of  the map.

Look at Songhua....how many people end up driving jeeps/APC's/tanks into the rivers, not knowing where the water crossing points are? Or end up driving off the cliffs.

With 180hours on Gator, I have a unique knowledge that most people couldnt even begin to get. Unless, you read my guide that is

Last edited by Snake (2007-04-22 06:31:14)

2007-04-22 06:30:38
Titch2349
iz me!
+358|6620|uk

The map helps, but you just need to know where you can get shot from wherever you are.
2007-04-22 06:30:58
davidonbf2
Banned
+19|6490
After awhile you get to know every inch of the map, yes it is Important
2007-04-22 07:19:44
David.P
Banned
+649|6541
Yes it is. Especially in city maps. Do you know how many times i survived a firefight by ducking into the right corner on Al Basrah? Or how many times i've led my enemies to my teammates so they could kill them? Believe me knowing a map helps but living in the map helps alot more.
2007-04-22 07:19:48
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6731|meh-land
if you can get on the roofs off the buildings by the karkand hotel without using C4 jump or supply crates then you probably know the map well enough to say that you know it well.  If you can't, then you need to learn it better


yeah its important, you should know everywhere you can go to heal, reload, or run to and make a corner for you to surprise the enemy and throw off his aim with, especially when you're being chased
2007-04-23 06:11:41
Marinejuana
local
+415|6853|Seattle
knowing the map is very important.
2007-04-23 06:54:22
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6787|Adelaide, South Australia

Stormscythe wrote:

KILLSWITCH wrote:

However when I try Karkand for example I tend to suck immensely.  Everything that is conceivable seems to go wrong like getting headshot with an AK from 100 miles away, landing on claymores every two fucking minutes and getting killed from people with a global score of 23.
Welcome to Karkand

And yes, knowing a map is important, but it's more important on Mashtuur and Sharqi than on Karkand.
2007-04-23 06:57:56
russ)=spetsnaz
Banned
+131|6723|the guy in the hind on gator

Snake wrote:

Yes, it is important. If you know a map like the back of your hand then you have a significant advantage over other players. What vehicles spawn where, where the spawn points are and which CP's are easy to take due to them being low traffic areas. Normal "jet routes", locations of stationary and mobile AA spawns, locations of TOW's - all important.
And one of the best ways to learn new ideas is to watch other people. Such as Surge, when the Spetz capture the Outer Ridge CP - get up on the cliff above it and zipline down to the Fuel Depot CP. I only found that out yesterday playing IO - yet its the best way for the Spetz to get to that rear area of  the map.

Look at Songhua....how many people end up driving jeeps/APC's/tanks into the rivers, not knowing where the water crossing points are? Or end up driving off the cliffs.

With 180hours on Gator, I have a unique knowledge that most people couldnt even begin to get. Unless, you read my guide that is
with my 240 hours on gator i have a knowlege, even u dont understand
2007-04-23 07:51:00
Jemme101
M24 Abuser
+99|6768|Valley of the Dragons

Marinejuana wrote:

knowing the map is very important.
What he said + the eb & flow of a round on said map. If flags get capped you will get different fronts on the map so try to anticipate what will happen next and act accordingly in either a defensive or offensive role.
2007-04-23 08:06:38
Ninja_Kid2002
Member
+119|6535|Floodsville, TN, (UK really)
Personally I think that there are important aspects to owning that include:

- Being able to flank your opponent
- Not being where an opponent expects you to be
- Getting from A to B quickly, but without being too exposed
- Making use of your environment for concealing and cover
- Knowing where the bottlenecks and killzones are and avoiding them or making use of them

All of these require a good knowledge of the map, so I would say "yes"

 

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