BF2S Forums Is Retaliation the Solution?

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Jews did nothing to deserve the Holocaust.  Israel is doing a lot to be hated by its neighbors.  Notice I didn't use the word Jews, coz we need to separate Zionism from Jews.  Most Jews aren't Zionists and they are as innocent as most Palestinians.  Extremists, from both sides are making this an endless conflict.  And you are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel annexed that land back in 1967, forget about 1948.  You are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel does control the OT, oppressing and humiliating Palestine.

Israel didn't ANNEX shit!!..The fuckin Arabs lost the land AFTER they started a war with Israel and got their asses kicked in a week. Just like in Europe, to the victors goes the spoils of war. Get it right Serge.

Didn't Israel annex shit, are you sure?

The Six-Day War was fought between Israel and its Arab neighbours of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria with Iraq.  In June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.  At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

They conquered an agressive posturing enemy, then they took the land from them from which they waged war. Sounds like tough shit to me. Don't start a war you can't win, and thus ends the lesson for 1967.

sergeriver wrote:

Six Palestinians have been killed in Israeli army raids in the West Bank and an air strike in the Gaza Strip, in the worst flare-up of violence in weeks.  The strike came shortly after rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel, slightly injuring two people.

The attacks came after some state-of-the-art rockets slightly injured two people.  Wow, those Palestinians take attacks seriously.  Those rockets are top notch.  They slightly injured two people.  Israel, after this "Genocide", had to punish them, killing 6. 

This is the way Israel deals with things.  Back in 2006 Hezbollah captured two soldiers, and they killed +1000 civilians in retaliation, leaving half of Lebanon destroyed.

If Israel is playing this game, they will never be tolerated by the Arab Nations, and the Middle East sooner or later will see the destruction of this country.  GG Israel.

id like to see israel get attacked full on, because they would absolutley destroy anything that even bothered to try. and if they were in danger, im sure the united states would help out.

ZamoII wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

They conquered an agressive posturing enemy, then they took the land from them from which they waged war. Sounds like tough shit to me. Don't start a war you can't win, and thus ends the lesson for 1967.

Israel started the hostilities way before all the Arab Nations.  Read about it, I did.

in fear of an invasion yes, id do the same thing

Before that.

sergeriver wrote:

ZamoII wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Israel started the hostilities way before all the Arab Nations.  Read about it, I did.

in fear of an invasion yes, id do the same thing

Before that.

Before that??!!. Before that they were being murdered by the millions

sergeriver wrote:

J][gga wrote:

all I have to say is... WTF does an Argentinian know about the middle east....???  obviously nothing...

go invade an island or something...

Nothing, so please enlighten us with your wisdom.  I asume you live in the ME, coz you know about it.

Nope... I live in tha USA.. and obviously you have access to the internet... why not look it up for yourself.... or wait... you didn't do this before you started this post? lol...

J][gga wrote:

all I have to say is... WTF does an Argentinian know about the middle east....???  obviously nothing...

go invade an island or something...

You know, if anyone has the right to say that it would be me, or some other Brazilian on this forum
Sergeriver is one of the most respected posters on this forum, in my opinion, who always backs his statements with valid data, and is generally open to discussion. What you just posted is neither discussion, nor serious talk, so go back to the junk drawer, why wont you?

Lisik wrote:

YOU GOT WHAT YOU GIVE

Amusing. I mean, I know it's your country we're discussing and all, but please, can't you just give a regular response?

And now, @san4:
I would attack a country that was made out of my own land too, especially after having been promised by the British that I would get independence if I helped them win the war.

-konfusion

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Jews did nothing to deserve the Holocaust.  Israel is doing a lot to be hated by its neighbors.  Notice I didn't use the word Jews, coz we need to separate Zionism from Jews.  Most Jews aren't Zionists and they are as innocent as most Palestinians.  Extremists, from both sides are making this an endless conflict.  And you are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel annexed that land back in 1967, forget about 1948.  You are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel does control the OT, oppressing and humiliating Palestine.

Israel didn't ANNEX shit!!..The fuckin Arabs lost the land AFTER they started a war with Israel and got their asses kicked in a week. Just like in Europe, to the victors goes the spoils of war. Get it right Serge.

Didn't Israel annex shit, are you sure?

The Six-Day War was fought between Israel and its Arab neighbours of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria with Iraq.  In June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.  At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

Yes, they annexed the land as part of the peace treaty signed, agreed upon by the other participants so that Israel didn't expand further than it had already.  Right, wrong or indifferent, the peace agreement included land, which bought the "peace".

It's kind of like signing a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians, except that one side keeps shooting at the Israelis and whining about unequal results.

You are familliar enough to know that peace cannot last if rockets are flying.  Israel needs to change as well, but when your getting your ass kicked everyday, maybe its time to change your tactics...Israel doesn't HAVE to do anything...although it should. 

But do you honestly believe that those people who decided to fire the rockets at Israel is the best thing for the Palestians?

Crap, it's like banging a hooker without a rubber.  Was it worth it?

konfusion wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Jews did nothing to deserve the Holocaust.  Israel is doing a lot to be hated by its neighbors.  Notice I didn't use the word Jews, coz we need to separate Zionism from Jews.  Most Jews aren't Zionists and they are as innocent as most Palestinians.  Extremists, from both sides are making this an endless conflict.  And you are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel annexed that land back in 1967, forget about 1948.  You are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel does control the OT, oppressing and humiliating Palestine.

Israel didn't ANNEX shit!!..The fuckin Arabs lost the land AFTER they started a war with Israel and got their asses kicked in a week. Just like in Europe, to the victors goes the spoils of war. Get it right Serge.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Israel annexed tons of land from Palestine, from Egypt, from Jordan and from Lebanon.

Why did they get their asses kicked? Well guess who's supplying Israel?

-konfusion

I see, and I guess Lebanon MADE their own fighters and tanks right? Hmmmm got land from all the countries that was at war with Israel.....Has THAT ever happened before??

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Didn't Israel annex shit, are you sure?

The Six-Day War was fought between Israel and its Arab neighbours of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria with Iraq.  In June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.  At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

Yes, they annexed the land as part of the peace treaty signed, agreed upon by the other participants so that Israel didn't expand further than it had already.  Right, wrong or indifferent, the peace agreement included land, which bought the "peace".

It's kind of like signing a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians, except that one side keeps shooting at the Israelis and whining about unequal results.

You are familliar enough to know that peace cannot last if rockets are flying.  Israel needs to change as well, but when your getting your ass kicked everyday, maybe its time to change your tactics...Israel doesn't HAVE to do anything...although it should. 

But do you honestly believe that those people who decided to fire the rockets at Israel is the best thing for the Palestians?

Crap, it's like banging a hooker without a rubber.  Was it worth it?

You are right.  Those few Palestinians throwing rockets into Israel aren't the best for Palestine.  Despite that fact, Israel should consider the lives of innocent people before responding an attack.  If they kill people they are as bad as the extremists who are thorwing the rockets.

I love the "those few Palestinians" as compared to "Israel". No bias that I can think of.


So defending yourself makes you as bad as the agressor?? Man!! that sucks.

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-24 04:10:52)

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

You are right.  Those few Palestinians throwing rockets into Israel aren't the best for Palestine.  Despite that fact, Israel should consider the lives of innocent people before responding an attack.  If they kill people they are as bad as the extremists who are thorwing the rockets.

I love the "those few Palestinians" as compared to "Israel". No bias that I can think of.


So defending yourself makes you as bad as the aggressor?? Man!! that sucks.

Lowing, we try to understand you (by we I mean the rest of mankind), but we fail.  You are like an old DOS program, with two subroutines.  If Israel="bad" then goto "Israel is right, they are defending themselves from the extremists".  If opinion="other than mine" then goto "It's the Liberals fault".

Serge that isn't very nice.

How about you stick to addressing my post? I have never been able to get you to admit that Israel has to defend itself constantly. You have even sunk so low as to criticize them for hitting back harder than the aggressors that hit them first. You still ignore that point.

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lowing, we try to understand you (by we I mean the rest of mankind), but we fail.  You are like an old DOS program, with two subroutines.  If Israel="bad" then goto "Israel is right, they are defending themselves from the extremists".  If opinion="other than mine" then goto "It's the Liberals fault".

Serge that isn't very nice.

How about you stick to addressing my post? I have never been able to get you to admit that Israel has to defend itself constantly. You have even sunk so low as to criticize them for hitting back harder than the aggressors that hit them first. You still ignore that point.

It was a joke m8.  You know you are one of my favorite DSTers. 
If you read the whole thread, you'll find I never said Israel should not defend themselves.  I just said they should not act so heavy-handed.  They should not respond to a failed attack and kill 6 people.

On the issue of heavy handedness just look at what Britain did on Bloody Sunday: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

What followed was the biggest recruiting drive the IRA ever witnessed and the most violent and painful period of the troubles as a whole. Britain drew huge international criticism and lost a lot of any sympathy they would have had at the time.

Worth it?

Last edited by Braddock (2007-04-24 04:46:28)

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lowing, we try to understand you (by we I mean the rest of mankind), but we fail.  You are like an old DOS program, with two subroutines.  If Israel="bad" then goto "Israel is right, they are defending themselves from the extremists".  If opinion="other than mine" then goto "It's the Liberals fault".

Serge that isn't very nice.

How about you stick to addressing my post? I have never been able to get you to admit that Israel has to defend itself constantly. You have even sunk so low as to criticize them for hitting back harder than the aggressors that hit them first. You still ignore that point.

It was a joke m8.  You know you are one of my favorite DSTers. 
If you read the whole thread, you'll find I never said Israel should not defend themselves.  I just said they should not act so heavy-handed.  They should not respond to a failed attack and kill 6 people.

Oh I know that ( the joke)

Well I tend to lean toward, someone attacks me, I hurt them worse than they ever thought of doing to me. If you don't want a bloody nose, don't pick a fight. Simple I think.

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-24 04:53:42)

Braddock wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Serge that isn't very nice.

How about you stick to addressing my post? I have never been able to get you to admit that Israel has to defend itself constantly. You have even sunk so low as to criticize them for hitting back harder than the aggressors that hit them first. You still ignore that point.

It was a joke m8.  You know you are one of my favorite DSTers. 
If you read the whole thread, you'll find I never said Israel should not defend themselves.  I just said they should not act so heavy-handed.  They should not respond to a failed attack and kill 6 people.

On the issue of heavy handedness just look at what Britain did on Bloody Sunday: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

What followed was the biggest recruiting drive the IRA ever witnessed and the most violent and painful period of the troubles as a whole. Britain drew huge international criticism and lost a lot of any sympathy they would have had at the time.

Worth it?

Maybe not. I however, do not look at the Jews as the aggressors, they have had the shit kicked out of them for centuries. As soon as they show a weakness, some asshole country is there to exploit it and kick them again. My whole stance is that Isarel is the underdog, surrounded by everyone that wants them destroyed.

I really think you all are pissed that they are actually surviving the constant bombardments and will bite back.