BF2S Forums Iraqi students saddened by Virginia Tech

EVieira wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Wait. Lowing tried to prove that most Muslims were extremists.  Are you telling me this is not true?  Man, I'm speechless.  I don't know what to say.  Next thing we'll hear is that Israel is oppressing Palestinians.

Where is the banner expressing sorrow for the 9 soldiers that were just blown up??

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/ … index.html

or for that matter, the other 3000 troops that died for them.

Those people lost a whole lot more than your 3000 soldiers. Its for exactly those kind of Iraqui people that those soldiers died for, no matter what the true political/strategic purposes of the war were. If you showed them the proper respect, you would be repecting your own fallen soldiers.

and other than lying down ones life for anothers freedom, how much more respect can one give??

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

I didn't criticise them for this, I asked where is the rest of the acknowledgement or recognition that they should be showing.

Is trying to get on with a normal life, in and of itself, not showing some acknowledgement towards those who got killed so that they could lead said normal life?

Could be, but remembering those that DIDN'T die for you, seems to be kinda a slap in the face to those that DID die for you, and you ignore their sacrifice.

So they should have said something like "We, the students of Technology University, denounce the attack at Virginia Tech. We extend our condolences to the families of the victims who faced a situation as bad as Iraq's universities do. The sanctity of campuses must be protected around the world. Oh, and we're grateful to all the soldiers who have died so that we may say this"?

Get real!

Should I end every post with something to the effect of "I thank all those that died in World War II to give me the freedom to post this"?

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-04-23 20:05:34)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Is trying to get on with a normal life, in and of itself, not showing some acknowledgement towards those who got killed so that they could lead said normal life?

Could be, but remembering those that DIDN'T die for you, seems to be kinda a slap in the face to those that DID die for you, and you ignore their sacrifice.

So they should have said something like "We, the students of Technology University, denounce the attack at Virginia Tech. We extend our condolences to the families of the victims who faced a situation as bad as
Iraq's universities do. The sanctity of campuses must be protected around the world. Oh, and we're grateful to all the soldiers who have died so that we may say this"?

Get real!

Neh, that doesn't sound sincere enough.

How about ( before homage to VT): We the students of Baghdad U denounce terrorism and are forever indebted to all of those who willingly gave their lives for a brighter, educated, and prosperous Iraq, that seemed so lost  to us 4 years ago. Your sacrifices have not gone un-noticed or unappreciated, and we promise you they will not be in vane. Thank you so much.


Something like that would be nice.

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-23 20:30:12)

EVieira wrote:

lowing wrote:

EVieira wrote:

Those people lost a whole lot more than your 3000 soldiers. Its for exactly those kind of Iraqui people that those soldiers died for, no matter what the true political/strategic purposes of the war were. If you showed them the proper respect, you would be repecting your own fallen soldiers.

and other than lying down ones life for anothers freedom, how much more respect can one give??

I'm sorry, did you lay down your life for them? Or do you expect them to commit suicide in order to show solidarity for 32 americans who died halfway around the world, in a peaceful campus, much diferent then their current reality?

They gained absolutely nothing by doing this, that simple banner changes absolutely nothing in the US-Iraq relations. This simple act will be forgotten in a weeks time, maybe even less. But it shows that the simple Iraquis that try to go on with their lives are not much diferent than you and me, who live in peaceful places.

And those are the people that may someday bring a true democracy to Iraq, and in doing so, defeating the enemy that killed your 3000 men.

Your right, this will be forgotten in a week.

But eternal gratitude to our troops by them will not. I still remember the German warship that manned the rails to pay tribute to the passing American warship right after 911. Now, the 2 govts. may not see eye to eye but all of those involved in that will remember forever.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Could be, but remembering those that DIDN'T die for you, seems to be kinda a slap in the face to those that DID die for you, and you ignore their sacrifice.

So they should have said something like "We, the students of Technology University, denounce the attack at Virginia Tech. We extend our condolences to the families of the victims who faced a situation as bad as Iraq's universities do. The sanctity of campuses must be protected around the world. Oh, and we're grateful to all the soldiers who have died so that we may say this"?

Get real!

Should I end every post with something to the effect of "I thank all those that died in World War II to give me the freedom to post this"?

Maybe you should, or how about when it is used in context with your conversation about the subject?

What?!

Yes, if one is talking about, for example, World War II, it is appropriate to say something to such effect.

But, why should students, in whatever country, who are expressing their saddness and condolences to the families of the victims of the shootings at Virginia Tech, say anything about anyone who may or may not have died to give them the freedom to say such things?

The two things are not related. Fullstop.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-04-23 20:21:01)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

So they should have said something like "We, the students of Technology University, denounce the attack at Virginia Tech. We extend our condolences to the families of the victims who faced a situation as bad as Iraq's universities do. The sanctity of campuses must be protected around the world. Oh, and we're grateful to all the soldiers who have died so that we may say this"?

Get real!

Should I end every post with something to the effect of "I thank all those that died in World War II to give me the freedom to post this"?

Maybe you should, or how about when it is used in context with your conversation about the subject?

What?!

Yes, if one is talking about, for example, World War II, it is appropriate to say something to such effect.

But, why should students, in whatever country, who are expressing their saddness and condolences to the families of the victims of the shootings at Virginia Tech, say anything about anyone who may or may not have died to give them the freedom to say such things?

The two things are not related. Fullstop.

Nope. you are correct, they are 2 separate issues. Which is why the irony did not escape me, that they will go out of their way to pay homage to 32 people that have nothing to do with them, all the while ignoring the 3000 + that died which had EVERYTHING to do with them, or should I say, for them.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Maybe you should, or how about when it is used in context with your conversation about the subject?

What?!

Yes, if one is talking about, for example, World War II, it is appropriate to say something to such effect.

But, why should students, in whatever country, who are expressing their saddness and condolences to the families of the victims of the shootings at Virginia Tech, say anything about anyone who may or may not have died to give them the freedom to say such things?

The two things are not related. Fullstop.

Nope. you are correct, they are 2 separate issues. Which is why the irony did not escape me, that they will go out of their way to pay homage to 32 people that have nothing to do with them, all the while ignoring the 3000 + that died which had EVERYTHING to do with them, or should I say, for them.

How do you know whether these students ignore the soldiers that have died for them?

You know fuck all about them other than this one single report.

You make me sick.

Trying to turn this into an opportunity to further your own neo-conservative ideals and 'bash' some Iraqis.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

What?!

Yes, if one is talking about, for example, World War II, it is appropriate to say something to such effect.

But, why should students, in whatever country, who are expressing their saddness and condolences to the families of the victims of the shootings at Virginia Tech, say anything about anyone who may or may not have died to give them the freedom to say such things?

The two things are not related. Fullstop.

Nope. you are correct, they are 2 separate issues. Which is why the irony did not escape me, that they will go out of their way to pay homage to 32 people that have nothing to do with them, all the while ignoring the 3000 + that died which had EVERYTHING to do with them, or should I say, for them.

How do you know whether these students ignore the soldiers that have died for them?

You know fuck all about them other than this one single report.

You make me sick.

Trying to turn this into an opportunity to further your own neo-conservative ideals and 'bash' some Iraqis.

I think that is something that would be reported on don't you?

You are correct, this 1 report is all I know of them, it is however, the only report we are talking about now, isn't it.

My feeling that the Iraqi students should pay tribute to ( if they are going to pay homage to anyone) the fallen soldiers of the coalition makes you sick?? Why is that exactly? Are you that much against success in Iraq that good feelings between our troops and the people they are trying to help is repulsive to you?

I didn't know gratitude and recognition for the help you received is exclusively a "neo-conservative ideal". If it is then add number 675845 to the list as to why I hate liberals.

I have not bashed anyone. ( except maybe the aforementioned liberals now.)

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope. you are correct, they are 2 separate issues. Which is why the irony did not escape me, that they will go out of their way to pay homage to 32 people that have nothing to do with them, all the while ignoring the 3000 + that died which had EVERYTHING to do with them, or should I say, for them.

How do you know whether these students ignore the soldiers that have died for them?

You know fuck all about them other than this one single report.

You make me sick.

Trying to turn this into an opportunity to further your own neo-conservative ideals and 'bash' some Iraqis.

I think that is something that would be reported on don't you?

You are correct, this 1 report is all I know of them, it is however, the only report we are talking about now, isn't it.

My feeling that the Iraqi students should pay tribute to ( if they are going to pay homage to anyone) the fallen soldiers of the coalition makes you sick?? Why is that exactly? Are you that much against success in Iraq that good feelings between our troops and the people they are trying to help is repulsive to you?

I didn't know gratitude and recognition for the help you received is exclusively a "neo-conservative ideal". If it is then add number 675845 to the list as to why I hate liberals.

I have not bashed anyone. ( except maybe the aforementioned liberals now.)

You are correct - this is "the only report we are talking about now".

What makes me sick is your attempt to turn it into a discussion about something else. Something that has everything to do with your neo-con ideals. Something that is the bashing of innocent iraqi students.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

How do you know whether these students ignore the soldiers that have died for them?

You know fuck all about them other than this one single report.

You make me sick.

Trying to turn this into an opportunity to further your own neo-conservative ideals and 'bash' some Iraqis.

I think that is something that would be reported on don't you?

You are correct, this 1 report is all I know of them, it is however, the only report we are talking about now, isn't it.

My feeling that the Iraqi students should pay tribute to ( if they are going to pay homage to anyone) the fallen soldiers of the coalition makes you sick?? Why is that exactly? Are you that much against success in Iraq that good feelings between our troops and the people they are trying to help is repulsive to you?

I didn't know gratitude and recognition for the help you received is exclusively a "neo-conservative ideal". If it is then add number 675845 to the list as to why I hate liberals.

I have not bashed anyone. ( except maybe the aforementioned liberals now.)

You are correct - this is "the only report we are talking about now".

What makes me sick is your attempt to turn it into a discussion about something else. Something that has everything to do with your neo-con ideals. Something that is the bashing of innocent Iraqi students.

Sorry, I think my posts are relevant to this discussion about who these Iraqi's SHOULD be recognizing. Do you think for one second that these 32 people that got killed can identify with the Iraqi's, or even gave 2 shits about their plight? I can tell you the soldiers that died probably were well aware of what the Iraqi's have to deal with on a day to day basis.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

I think that is something that would be reported on don't you?

You are correct, this 1 report is all I know of them, it is however, the only report we are talking about now, isn't it.

My feeling that the Iraqi students should pay tribute to ( if they are going to pay homage to anyone) the fallen soldiers of the coalition makes you sick?? Why is that exactly? Are you that much against success in Iraq that good feelings between our troops and the people they are trying to help is repulsive to you?

I didn't know gratitude and recognition for the help you received is exclusively a "neo-conservative ideal". If it is then add number 675845 to the list as to why I hate liberals.

I have not bashed anyone. ( except maybe the aforementioned liberals now.)

You are correct - this is "the only report we are talking about now".

What makes me sick is your attempt to turn it into a discussion about something else. Something that has everything to do with your neo-con ideals. Something that is the bashing of innocent Iraqi students.

Sorry, I think my posts are relevant to this discussion about who these Iraqi's SHOULD be recognizing. Do you think for one second that these 32 people that got killed can identify with the Iraqi's, or even gave 2 shits about their plight? I can tell you the soldiers that died probably were well aware of what the Iraqi's have to deal with on a day to day basis.

Your posts are totally irrelevant. This discusion is not about what they Iraqi students may or may not think of the soldiers that died. It is about what the Iraqi students think about the shootings at Virginia Tech. Stop trying to make this into something it is not.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

You are correct - this is "the only report we are talking about now".

What makes me sick is your attempt to turn it into a discussion about something else. Something that has everything to do with your neo-con ideals. Something that is the bashing of innocent Iraqi students.

Sorry, I think my posts are relevant to this discussion about who these Iraqi's SHOULD be recognizing. Do you think for one second that these 32 people that got killed can identify with the Iraqi's, or even gave 2 shits about their plight? I can tell you the soldiers that died probably were well aware of what the Iraqi's have to deal with on a day to day basis.

Your posts are totally irrelevant. This discusion is not about what they Iraqi students may or may not think of the soldiers that died. It is about what the Iraqi students think about the shootings at Virginia Tech. Stop trying to make this into something it is not.

Ummmmmm just how much "discussion" are you looking for, if you are not allowed to expand on the FACT that a banner was posted?