BF2S Forums What do you think about guns in the US?

bubbass wrote:

Vilham wrote:

I already know the US is fucked in the face because of its gun ownership, ive already stated i dont give a shit. If you have nuts who go shooting up schools thats your own problem deal with it, but dont deny what is clear fact supported by MOUNTAINS of evidence.

As to that i have a gun i wont rob crap... its called scaling, you have a gun, the criminal gets a bigger and better gun. Learn logic. Its not hard, infact I could swear its built into humans, maybe just not some people out there though...

Oh, such hostility. Calm down, okay? I own guns because I can. I own guns for the sport, the hobby and for hunting. More importantly I own guns for protection of my family and myself. I get the same chances as someone trying to harm me with a gun. It's not even about that, it's about odds. Having a gun for my protection increases my odds for survival from someone intentionally trying to harm me. I'm sorry you don't have those same odds, please don't bash me about it.

As for me personally, it's hard to come into my house with a bigger and better weapon then the ones I have here. There is no logic about this. Criminals don't go out and buy the newest and best weapons on the market for petty crimes. They get what's available to them on the street. Myself on the other hand, I take pride in my firearm collection and I'd like to see someone try and get the upper hand on me in my house.

Actually there is more likely hood of your gun being used in a suicide than preventing a crime.

bubbass wrote:

Vilham wrote:

bubbass wrote:

Oh, such hostility. Calm down, okay? I own guns because I can. I own guns for the sport, the hobby and for hunting. More importantly I own guns for protection of my family and myself. I get the same chances as someone trying to harm me with a gun. It's not even about that, it's about odds. Having a gun for my protection increases my odds for survival from someone intentionally trying to harm me. I'm sorry you don't have those same odds, please don't bash me about it.

As for me personally, it's hard to come into my house with a bigger and better weapon then the ones I have here. There is no logic about this. Criminals don't go out and buy the newest and best weapons on the market for petty crimes. They get what's available to them on the street. Myself on the other hand, I take pride in my firearm collection and I'd like to see someone try and get the upper hand on me in my house.

Actually there is more likely hood of your gun being used in a suicide than preventing a crime.

Nah, that's impossible. My guns are securely stored. Some are in my home and some aren't. No one has access to them except me. And I sure as hell won't be committing suicide. Unfortunately, not everyone is as cautious as I am.

Your own video stated 40 times more likely.

Sorry to intrude but...



Ive already stated the US is fucked in the face. I know it wouldnt work in the US hence its fucked in the face..

I know? Ive already stated?

Your just stating your opinion. you aren't necessarily correct and hes disagreeing with you.

blisteringsilence wrote:

lavadisk wrote:

Sorry to intrude but...



Ive already stated the US is fucked in the face. I know it wouldnt work in the US hence its fucked in the face..

I know? Ive already stated?

Your just stating your opinion. you aren't necessarily correct and hes disagreeing with you.

Never correct a madman on a rant. He might fly over here, get a gun (illegally) and shoot someone.

Thus proving his points that guns kill people.

Then he will kill himself proving another one of his 'points'

Elamdri wrote:

Hey, anyone on here who owns a gun, I'm turning 21 next year and I wanna get a firearm, my neighborhood is not very safe and I'm gonna be here another 2 years minimum. What I wanna know is

A) Whats the process for getting a Firearms License.
B) I've never shot a gun before, whats a good place to go practice.
C) Whats a good first gun?

Go to a shady street corner.
Get a shotgun.
Go to a watermelon patch and bust some melons.

...wow. I can see how you think its racist..... but like..... It really isn't...

You need to convince yourself things aren't racist a bit more. I think you try to convince yourself a bit too much.

Kmarion wrote:

Looks like the Washington Post got it wrong.

But oops er.. oops. Doesn't seem like violent attacks are being curbed at all to me.

That's an increase of 725 gun crimes in 11 years, a 242 percent increase.

The number of crimes in which a handgun was used in England and Wales has risen from 299 in 1995 to 1,024 last year. Offenses committed with all types of firearms, including air guns, have also increased.

good. facts and statistics. (a lot better than sensationalism)

Those are the reasons why I think guns should be registered.

blisteringsilence wrote:

lavadisk wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Looks like the Washington Post got it wrong.

But oops er.. oops. Doesn't seem like violent attacks are being curbed at all to me.

That's an increase of 725 gun crimes in 11 years, a 242 percent increase.

The number of crimes in which a handgun was used in England and Wales has risen from 299 in 1995 to 1,024 last year. Offenses committed with all types of firearms, including air guns, have also increased.

good. facts and statistics. (a lot better than sensationalism)

Those are the reasons why I think guns should be registered.

These are statistics from a country where owning a handgun is illegal, and owning a shotgun or rifle is an ardous process at best.

Counter point!

lavadisk wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

lavadisk wrote:

good. facts and statistics. (a lot better than sensationalism)

Those are the reasons why I think guns should be registered.

These are statistics from a country where owning a handgun is illegal, and owning a shotgun or rifle is an ardous process at best.

Counter point!

a) If our violent crime and homicide rates rise continuously for a century we may reach the lofty heights set by the current US standards.
b) Remember that owning a gun is usually a firearms offence. Similarly swords and many knives are classified as illegal weapons so can be seized without having to wait till someone uses them.
c) The main weapons used in a firearms offence in the UK? The air rifle, followed by the replica gun. These are classified as firearms offences. In the US it's the handgun.
d) Around half of violent crime in the UK involves no actual injury to the victim.

A nice comparison
2004, about 350,000 crimes were commited using a firearm in the US. That's crimes comitted using a firearm.
That's 1.17 per 1000 people

In the UK there were 35,000 total weapons offences (including possesion even if it was never used in any crime). Thats swords plus knives plus guns plus air rifles and replica guns plus anything else that can be considered a weapon, even though a large percentage of those weren't used in any crimes at all.
That's 0.58 per 1000 people.

General point. The UK may have rising firearms crime, but it's rising from bugger all to very little, whereas in the US it's dropping from fecking loads to loads.

This was written by Mirror columist Tony Parsons, bang on....

SHOOT DOWN GUN THEORY
Tony Parsons 23/04/2007

THE American gun lobby says the campus massacre proves that the US needs more people carrying guns.

Its warped logic suggests that if more students had been packing a piece, Cho Seung-Hui would have died before he killed 32 people.

The theory has a hole the size of a dum-dum bullet. For, if every student on campus had a weapon, then every nutcase would be able to go on the rampage whenever he got a C minus for Domestic Science.

Those of us who love America have been deeply disturbed by the events in Virginia because it is clear that nothing will change.

A lunatic will still be able to walk into a gun shop and play real-life Rambo, and all he has to do is lay down his credit card and tick the box marked 'Sane'.

Cho was undoubtedly clinically insane, and there are reports that he was autistic - although that seems hard to believe when you watch his pieces to camera.

He doesn't seem lost in his own world. He seems very much in the real world - and enraged by it.

But crucially, it is now clear that Cho was a victim of bullying from the moment he set foot in the America as an eight-year-old South Korean.

Pushed around, mocked for his funny accent. Shunned and despised. "Go back to China," his fellow students told him. South Korea, China - it was all the same to them.

In this country (UK) he would have killed himself and everyone would have said, "How sad."

In the land of the shopping mall Glock, he was allowed to take 32 people with him. And everyone says, "How sad we don't have more guns around here."

Last edited by =OBS= EstebanRey (2007-04-25 06:18:10)

The theory has a hole the size of a dum-dum bullet. For, if every student on campus had a weapon, then every nutcase would be able to go on the rampage whenever he got a C minus for Domestic Science.

Technically, any nutcase who decides to go on a rampage will go on a rampage. You can only hope that if it isn't something sneaky like a bomb, that someone will be able to put him down before he does too much harm.

Lost Hope wrote:

The problem with the US is that each state has it's own law concerning guns, some are very restrictive and some are less restrictive, and to prevent these shootings there should be a "leveling" of these laws.

How would equalizing these laws help? I mean, there's already laws against murder.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-04-25 06:36:11)

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

The theory has a hole the size of a dum-dum bullet. For, if every student on campus had a weapon, then every nutcase would be able to go on the rampage whenever he got a C minus for Domestic Science.

Technically, any nutcase who decides to go on a rampage will go on a rampage. You can only hope that if it isn't something sneaky like a bomb, that someone will be able to put him down before he does too much harm.

Lost Hope wrote:

The problem with the US is that each state has it's own law concerning guns, some are very restrictive and some are less restrictive, and to prevent these shootings there should be a "leveling" of these laws.

How would equalizing these laws help? I mean, there's already laws against murder.

It will be harder for them to kill their victim and the victim has a better chance to avoid/escape/fight a man armed with a knife than with a gun. I perfectly know that murder is illegal but making it harder to do by implementing controls would probably save some lives. I think it's worth the try, no ?

And I don't find normal to be able to buy a gun with only an ID.

Here, you have to be 18+, ask for a "good life and morals certificate" (I don't know how you call that, it says if you have broken the law, been in jail, been in a mental institute,...) and attend a meeting with a cop that will ask you some questions and pass a test about guns.

But that was before the government passed a new law, some racist dude killed a girl of 2-3 years old and her black babysitter with a carbine. He only needed an ID and the money to buy it.

Now, it's different and probably fucked up because criminals will buy guns illegally (like they did before) but preventing another crime as the one I talked about is already a victory.

Vilham wrote:

hate&discontent wrote:

i really don't like anti-gun asshats.  atleast the one's that can't see both sides of the story.

I can see both sides of the story. America cant do anything about guns as its too deep in its culture. But please for the love of god STOP SAYING GUNS STOP CRIME! THEY DONT!

Hes asking you to see both sides of the topic.

If somebody came into a thrift store and was going to rob them at gun point dont you think there would be less chance of the robbery if the person that was about to rob the place knew that the owner and some of the workers had firearms?

Situations like that happen a lot. But the problem is that they aren't documented. Imagine a gang member calling the cops saying 'I was about to rob this place but I remembered they were armed so I didn't, Just an FYI'