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Hurricane wrote:

Interesting to see how it's gonna play out...

Indeed.  I think that Iran will take over after we leave and then we'll go right back to battle Iran.

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

Interestingly enough, she reminds me Meryl Streep's charachter in The Manchurian Candidate

What? No way, she is so much more of Hilary that it was scary the first time I saw it.

Havok wrote:

Hurricane wrote:

Interesting to see how it's gonna play out...

Indeed.  I think that Iran will take over after we leave and then we'll go right back to battle Iran.

Iran/Turkey according to the people of KIRKUK.. Very cool report ^{Cops Kirkuk style}.
I found their view to be very interesting.

“What do you think is going to happen in Kirkuk if the United States withdraws from Iraq next year?” I said, wondering if the city would become much severe very quickly.

“It will not be good,” Mam Rostam said. “Not for Iraq and especially not for Kirkuk. At a minimum there will be trouble with the neighbors, with Turkey and Iran. They will interfere.”

“They will interfere in Kirkuk in particular?” I said.

“Especially in Kirkuk,” Mam Rostam said. “Turkey is always interfering. But I believe the U.S. won’t leave Iraq until 2025. That’s my guess.”

“Even in 2025,” Patrick said, “you will ask us to stay longer for tea.”

Really. It’s hard to extract yourself from any kind of social event in the Middle East without being ordered to drink yet another tea.

“If America pulls out of Iraq, they will fail in Afghanistan,” Mam Rostam said.

Hardly anyone in Congress seems to consider that the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan might become much more severe if similar tactics are proven effective in Iraq.

“And they will fail with Iran,” he continued. “They will fail everywhere with all Eastern countries. The war between America and the terrorists will move from Iraq and Afghanistan to America itself. Do you think America will do that? The terrorists gather their agents in Afghanistan and Iraq and fight the Americans here. If you pull back, the terrorists will follow you there. They will try, at least. Then Iran will be the power in the Middle East. Iran is the biggest supporter of terrorism. They support Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Ansar Al Islam. You know what Iran will do with those elements if America goes away.”

Bush will go against the majority will of the elected representatives of the American people. Simple as that. Democracy in action.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-26 00:33:08)

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Bush goes against the majority will of the elected representatives of the American people. Simple as that. Democracy in action.

Majority voted him in. Twice. He has only used his Presidential veto power once, about to be twice if it passes with the Senate. It only passed with the House. Hope fully this bill fail as did the first. This is another sad day for my country, I believe. Cahonies: They aren't in Washington!

http://www.largeimagehost.com/TN/UhceUU … r+Gore.jpg

If fields and cows are allowed to vote in America then that's a pretty convincing image. If it's only the people that can vote then I'm seeing all the red where all the people are.

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Bush will go against the majority will of the elected representatives of the American people. Simple as that. Democracy in action.

if this wasn't inteded as a joke, what exactly are you saying?

Looks pretty obvious to me. The majority voted to pull out of Iraq, by vetoing that Bush is going against the majority.

ghettoperson wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Bush will go against the majority will of the elected representatives of the American people. Simple as that. Democracy in action.

if this wasn't intended as a joke, what exactly are you saying?

Looks pretty obvious to me. The majority voted to pull out of Iraq, by vetoing that Bush is going against the majority.

i suppose i was more concerned with the [ h ] - a system of checks and balances.?  take popular passions for example, obviously, this is a very touchy subject, so it would be alright to assume that elected representatives are being heavily influenced by their constituents on a passion that may not be the best solution.  if the presidency has information that has not been or cannot be shared with the public, he may utilize the veto. 

please note i am not advocating one policy over another.

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

if this wasn't intended as a joke, what exactly are you saying?

Looks pretty obvious to me. The majority voted to pull out of Iraq, by vetoing that Bush is going against the majority.

i suppose i was more concerned with the [ h ] - a system of checks and balances.?  take popular passions for example, obviously, this is a very touchy subject, so it would be alright to assume that elected representatives are being heavily influenced by their constituents on a passion that may not be the best solution.  if the presidency has information that has not been or cannot be shared with the public, he may utilize the veto. 

please note i am not advocating one policy over another.

By that same arguement though, you could say that "passion" was on the side of Bush in the aftermath of 9/11 and now the people saw reason and voted to put the adults in power.  As far as information sharing, Congressional members, by law, have as much right to any information as the executive.  To say that the legislative branch should be denied information that allows them to make responsible decisions is nonsense and unconstitutional.

As far as not using his veto power before, he never needed to.  His party officials and their think-tanks wrote the legislation that the rubberstamp Congress introduced and passed in the previous 6 years.  Even McCain swallowed his conscience and toed the party line on the torture issue.  Bush simply isn't used to anyone looking over his shoulder and now doesn't have a clue how to deal with oversight except for throwing out one-liner talking points or getting his cronies to feign ignorance at every opportunity.

Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2007-04-26 01:43:28)

CameronPoe wrote:

lol. The most recent election showed how disgruntled the US populace is with Bush and his failed policies - if you think Bush would be re-elected today then you're delusional. Newsflash: the Democrats control both the House & the Senate now.

Your picture shows that progressive, urbanised, forward-looking states vote Democrat and most vast empty hick states vote Republican: your point?

What are you laughing about? The most recent election was voted by the citizens of this country, the United States. His policies that you are speaking about in today's context had no bearing in what your post depicts. I did not think about Pres. Bush being reelected, today or ever again. You are the delusional one. I am very aware of the state of my countries' government. Thank you.

However, you have got to stop degrading my country and my fellow countrymen. I have no idea why you hate us so much but you need to really take a look at your perception of Americans. Some day you might actually say something like that in person, in hearing distance of one, like me for example. The consequences would lead to vast amounts of bodily pain by nerves shooting pain to your head filled with all of that hate and discontent.

Semper Fidelis,
Ian Rhoades

P.S. Mods: Please watch this guy. I know he is more popular with the populace here, but his negative rhetoric needs to be checked when he logs in.

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

What are you laughing about? The most recent election was voted by the citizens of this country, the United States. His policies that you are speaking about in today's context had no bearing in what your post depicts. I did not think about Pres. Bush being reelected, today or ever again. You are the delusional one. I am very aware of the state of my countries' government. Thank you.

However, you have got to stop degrading my country and my fellow countrymen. I have no idea why you hate us so much but you need to really take a look at your perception of Americans. Some day you might actually say something like that in person, in hearing distance of one, like me for example. The consequences would lead to vast amounts of bodily pain by nerves shooting pain to your head filled with all of that hate and discontent.

Semper Fidelis,
Ian Rhoades

P.S. Mods: Please watch this guy. I know he is more popular with the populace here, but his negative rhetoric needs to be checked when he logs in.

Ah the beauty of the internets - where you can say what you want without fear of violent reprisal from people who can't take criticism of aspects (namely foreign policy) of their country. You perhaps need some anger management/comprehension lessons.

All I simply stated was that the good people of America realised the error of their presidential choice and, as I see it, used the senate and congress elections to register a protest vote against the failed policies of the neo-conservative think tank at the helm since 2000. I think it is wonderful that Americans exercised their democratic right to vote in order to scorn the abysmal president they are lumbered with for another 2 years. I find it unfortunate that the veto wielded by said joke of a president will mean that the poor foreign policy of America looks set to continue for a little bit longer. 

PS If you really can't separate criticism of President Bush from criticism of the United States of America then you shouldn't be posting on D&ST. My one and only gripe with the US is the foreign policy it has adopted since the neo-cons took office. Don't like it? Don't read it.

PPS To all other readers and to the moderators - I have received abusive pms from this poster in the past, I thank the mods for warning him about that and I urge all D&ST posters to hold fast to your opinions in spite of abusive people like Teflon who show little capability of understanding the nuances of what many of us post here: if people can't understand the difference between Bush & the grand old USA of Lincoln then that's their own very serious problem.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-26 07:06:59)

CameronPoe wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Bush goes against the majority will of the elected representatives of the American people. Simple as that. Democracy in action.

Majority voted him in. Twice. He has only used his Presidential veto power once, about to be twice if it passes with the Senate. It only passed with the House. Hope fully this bill fail as did the first. This is another sad day for my country, I believe. Cahonies: They aren't in Washington!

http://www.largeimagehost.com/TN/UhceUU … r+Gore.jpg

lol. The most recent election showed how disgruntled the US populace is with Bush and his failed policies - if you think Bush would be re-elected today then you're delusional. Newsflash: the Democrats control both the House & the Senate now.

Your picture shows that progressive, urbanised, forward-looking states vote Democrat and most vast empty hick states vote Republican: your point?

The dems got a majority based on war policy and the plan that they would do things differently (mind you most never laid out a plan of what different was).  They did not win on principle.  It was a decision between the lesser of two evils, not a mandate that we like thier ideas any better.  If we had wanted to undermine our troops we would have elected Kerry president but we did not.  Everyone with half a brain knew that a change in the Senate and Congress would not Change Iraq policy because they do not make the decisions for the military.

Just a side note, people vote for a lot of stupic shit this past november because they just blindly followed the dem wagon.  We had a 30% increase in minimum wage the by law will increase to match inflation every year.  How the hell is that good for anyone?  I won't be able to afford a hamburger in 5 years.

Last edited by KnowMeByTrailOfDead (2007-04-26 07:15:14)

Mam Rostam(?) wrote:

The terrorists gather their agents in Afghanistan and Iraq and fight the Americans here. If you pull back, the terrorists will follow you there. They will try, at least.

What a load of crap. As if the handful of men needed for an attack within the US are actually making a difference  by staying in their country now. What kind of retards do they think we are feeding us this bullshit.