Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|7143

I just thought that that video gave me some hope, maybe it will give you some hope too. I think we should all take a moment to appreciate all of the people that we don't really talk about that often, the people who truly want peace.

I'll leave you with this:
https://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/peace_march_1.jpg https://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/face_of_peace_4.jpg

Last edited by Superior Mind (2007-04-25 20:31:20)

GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7094
interesting stuff about this dude (king of jordan).   a lot of arabs hate him.  ALOT.  hes 100% "westernized"  he knows more english that he does arabic and avoids speaking in public.  for this, he is heavily criticized as being a puppet for the west, especially by all those militant cats
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|7143

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

interesting stuff about this dude (king of jordan).   a lot of arabs hate him.  ALOT.  hes 100% "westernized"  he knows more english that he does arabic and avoids speaking in public.  for this, he is heavily criticized as being a puppet for the west, especially by all those militant cats
I wasn't so much interested in him, but just the regular citizens participating in something good like this one voice thing.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7011

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

interesting stuff about this dude (king of jordan).   a lot of arabs hate him.  ALOT.  hes 100% "westernized"  he knows more english that he does arabic and avoids speaking in public.  for this, he is heavily criticized as being a puppet for the west, especially by all those militant cats
To be fair, if the US President knew more Spanish (Mexicans speak Spanish, yeah?) than English, you'd say similar things.  I'm not necessarily saying that he's wrong, just that being Westernised and not speaking his native language doesn't necessarily speak highly of him.  I highly doubt Westernisation is the way forward in places like the Middle East and Asia.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6979|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

interesting stuff about this dude (king of jordan).   a lot of arabs hate him.  ALOT.  hes 100% "westernized"  he knows more english that he does arabic and avoids speaking in public.  for this, he is heavily criticized as being a puppet for the west, especially by all those militant cats
To be fair, if the US President knew more Spanish (Mexicans speak Spanish, yeah?) than English, you'd say similar things.  I'm not necessarily saying that he's wrong, just that being Westernised and not speaking his native language doesn't necessarily speak highly of him.  I highly doubt Westernisation is the way forward in places like the Middle East and Asia.
It may not be a popular way, but I assure you it is a way forward.
The_Mac
Member
+96|6675
I've talked to a gaelic professor, and his brother is an Irish Missionary in the Middle East. His converts are unable to announce their conversion, or else they'll be killed. I think the Arabs will have to get out of their dark ages. They're making progress with western nudging.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7031|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Bubbalo wrote:

To be fair, if the US President knew more Spanish (Mexicans speak Spanish, yeah?) than English, you'd say similar things.  I'm not necessarily saying that he's wrong, just that being Westernised and not speaking his native language doesn't necessarily speak highly of him.  I highly doubt Westernisation is the way forward in places like the Middle East and Asia.
then they can have all the sectarian war they want.  If they're all dead it makes my life easier.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,074|7222|PNW

SuperiorMind wrote:

https://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/face_of_peace_4.jpg
She looks angry.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|7143

Reciprocity wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

To be fair, if the US President knew more Spanish (Mexicans speak Spanish, yeah?) than English, you'd say similar things.  I'm not necessarily saying that he's wrong, just that being Westernised and not speaking his native language doesn't necessarily speak highly of him.  I highly doubt Westernisation is the way forward in places like the Middle East and Asia.
then they can have all the sectarian war they want.  If they're all dead it makes my life easier.
So much for a discussion about peace :\.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

She looks angry.
LOL your the second person who said that to me tonight, haha.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2007-04-25 20:49:03)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7051|132 and Bush

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|7143

Kmarion wrote:

I feel the same http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=68049 .
word
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7031|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Superior Mind wrote:

So much for a discussion about peace :\.
I'm all for peace, I was just responding to bubbalo's pessimism with some of my own.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|7143

Reciprocity wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

So much for a discussion about peace :\.
I'm all for peace, I was just responding to bubbalo's pessimism with some of my own.
It's all cool.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7051|132 and Bush

Bubbalo wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

interesting stuff about this dude (king of jordan).   a lot of arabs hate him.  ALOT.  hes 100% "westernized"  he knows more english that he does arabic and avoids speaking in public.  for this, he is heavily criticized as being a puppet for the west, especially by all those militant cats
To be fair, if the US President knew more Spanish (Mexicans speak Spanish, yeah?) than English, you'd say similar things.  I'm not necessarily saying that he's wrong, just that being Westernised and not speaking his native language doesn't necessarily speak highly of him.  I highly doubt Westernisation is the way forward in places like the Middle East and Asia.
His brother Jeb is Fluent... Florida (The State he governed) has many Spanish speaking residents.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|7143

Kmarion wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

interesting stuff about this dude (king of jordan).   a lot of arabs hate him.  ALOT.  hes 100% "westernized"  he knows more english that he does arabic and avoids speaking in public.  for this, he is heavily criticized as being a puppet for the west, especially by all those militant cats
To be fair, if the US President knew more Spanish (Mexicans speak Spanish, yeah?) than English, you'd say similar things.  I'm not necessarily saying that he's wrong, just that being Westernised and not speaking his native language doesn't necessarily speak highly of him.  I highly doubt Westernisation is the way forward in places like the Middle East and Asia.
His brother Jeb is Fluent... Florida (The State he governed) has many Spanish speaking residents.
Well I am sure Jeb speaks English primarily. It's one thing to be bilingual than to be fluent in a foreign language and just ok in your native one.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2007-04-25 21:02:34)

Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|7142|Calgary
I hate to say this but sometimes I feel that the only hint of light in the middle east that will get rid of terrorist is  the light released from a nuclear blast.

ps. The video, what a load of crap (sorry)

Last edited by Superslim (2007-04-25 21:06:46)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7051|132 and Bush

Superior Mind wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

To be fair, if the US President knew more Spanish (Mexicans speak Spanish, yeah?) than English, you'd say similar things.  I'm not necessarily saying that he's wrong, just that being Westernised and not speaking his native language doesn't necessarily speak highly of him.  I highly doubt Westernisation is the way forward in places like the Middle East and Asia.
His brother Jeb is Fluent... Florida (The State he governed) has many Spanish speaking residents.
Well I am sure Jeb speaks English primarily. It's one thing to be bilingual than to be fluent in a foreign language and just ok in your native one.
He is fluent brother, as am I . Have you met his wife ? Fluent does not mean it is your first language.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6979|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


His brother Jeb is Fluent... Florida (The State he governed) has many Spanish speaking residents.
Well I am sure Jeb speaks English primarily. It's one thing to be bilingual than to be fluent in a foreign language and just ok in your native one.
He is fluent brother, as am I . Have you met his wife ? Fluent does not mean it is your first language.
Kee-riest have you seen his daughter?

https://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2002/01-29-inside-noelle-bush.jpg
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7051|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:


Well I am sure Jeb speaks English primarily. It's one thing to be bilingual than to be fluent in a foreign language and just ok in your native one.
He is fluent brother, as am I . Have you met his wife ? Fluent does not mean it is your first language.
Kee-riest have you seen his daughter?

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos … e-bush.jpg
lol.. Noelle
Xbone Stormsurgezz
ssj3barua
Member
+55|7139|Indianapolis, IN, U.S.
Beautiful video.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6998|San Diego, CA, USA

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

She looks angry.
Angry for Peace.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7011

Reciprocity wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

To be fair, if the US President knew more Spanish (Mexicans speak Spanish, yeah?) than English, you'd say similar things.  I'm not necessarily saying that he's wrong, just that being Westernised and not speaking his native language doesn't necessarily speak highly of him.  I highly doubt Westernisation is the way forward in places like the Middle East and Asia.
then they can have all the sectarian war they want.  If they're all dead it makes my life easier.
That's probably what they need.  You notice how the countries in ME all have very straight borders, unlike Europe?  That's because Europe's were formed naturally, through years of violence, whilst those in the ME were artificially imposed.  It's no wonder they have troubles.

Of course, you missed the point of my post entirely.  Westernisation means surrendering local values and replacing them with foreign ones.  Of course it will be met with stiff resistance, and will probably never work.  The point is there's more than one way to skin a cat, and the same goes for liberalisation.  What they need is to find a version which incorporates their values and history, not ours.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7031|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Bubbalo wrote:

What they need is to find a version which incorporates their values and history, not ours.
sadly, their values and history revolve mostly around sectarian war, fascism, ethnocentricity, and algebra.  I'd love to see them grow up and get past their own BS history.  They're all islamic, you'd think that would be enough to unite them, or at least keep them from slaughtering each other, but appearantly not.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|7143

Reciprocity wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

What they need is to find a version which incorporates their values and history, not ours.
sadly, their values and history revolve mostly around sectarian war, fascism, ethnocentricity, and algebra.  I'd love to see them grow up and get past their own BS history.  They're all islamic, you'd think that would be enough to unite them, or at least keep them from slaughtering each other, but appearantly not.
So where does Israel fall into this?
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6895|The Land of Scott Walker
They get to be the country that all the arab nations are hoping has a small glint of light over it.  And, no, they don't mean a peace rally.

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