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2007-04-26 19:30:12

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7125|Canberra, AUS

Fucking labels.

I see three threads every day where the word 'liberal' is thrown into a completely irrelevant debate, usually in a negative context.

For example, this,

As well as actually flexing muscles. I figure liberals and left wing nuts don't like that as well. Showing strength and purpose is evil in liberal land.

WHAT THE FUCK DO LIBERALS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS?!

Then there's this, similar example.

They're smart enough to realize that the democrats are incapable of defending the country. While they may not embrace Bush, he's a lesser of two evils.

That's just from the front page, in the two threads I've read today. It happens all the time - democrats and liberals being dragged into a debate in which they have absolutely nothing to do with. Usually followed by a comment like "democrats support the enemy" or "liberals are fuckwits" or something along those lines. Happens with conservatives too, but no where near what I see with liberals.

So: I'm going to declare my support for the banning of the world 'liberal' in threads which are not aimed for/at liberals. Say the policy, yes, but not the fucking label.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2007-04-26 19:33:47

Yaocelotl: :D; +221|7100|Keyboard

If you don't label things you can poison yourself, that's why they are useful . And yeah, people like to generalize things.

2007-04-26 19:39:58

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6979|Global Command

I know what you mean.
People keep calling me Conservative, I don't get it.

2007-04-26 19:43:07

Skorpy-chan: Member; +127|6795|Twyford, UK

Labels are never informative. I tried reading one on what I was drinking last weekend, but the alcohol content made the small print all fuzzy.
Oh, and breakfast cereal is labeled as 'delicious', when it just tastes of sugary milky mush, after the sugar and milk are added.

2007-04-26 22:47:05

MrPredictable: Member; +14|7137

only a liberal would point that out...

2007-04-26 23:32:54

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7125|Canberra, AUS

MrPredictable wrote:
only a liberal would point that out...

And once again my point is proved...

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2007-04-26 23:36:16

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7225|Noizyland

Spark wrote:
MrPredictable wrote:
only a liberal would point that out...
And once again my point is proved...

I guess you could say that was predictable yeah? Ha ha!
Ha?
Okay, not funny.

Anyway I agree. Labels always suck.

[Blinking eyes thing]
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2007-04-26 23:44:42

Drakef: Cheeseburger Logicist; +117|6812|Vancouver

Agreed. Especially with the 'liberals are terrorists' or 'conservatives hate minorities' idiocy.

However, the Democrat example does intrigue me. By Canadian standards, at least, Democrats are centrist or right-of-centre.

2007-04-26 23:48:50

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7125|Canberra, AUS

Drakef wrote:
Agreed. Especially with the 'liberals are terrorists' or 'conservatives hate minorities' idiocy.

However, the Democrat example does intrigue me. By Canadian standards, at least, Democrats are centrist or right-of-centre.

Democrats in the US, I thought.

And Ty... seriously...

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2007-04-26 23:55:37

Flakturnal: Member; +21|6892|Perth,WA

Definitely agree. I read through threads agreeing with one view point here and another viewpoint there.
So I saw the labels thrown around and thought, "oh so I'm a fucking liberal" then read another topic and thought "oh I'm a frickin demo wanker" I read another, "No I'm a Satan worshipper with delusions of grandeur"... it never ends

2007-04-27 00:14:30

GorillaTicTacs: Member; +231|6823|Kyiv, Ukraine

Spark wrote:
Drakef wrote:
Agreed. Especially with the 'liberals are terrorists' or 'conservatives hate minorities' idiocy.

However, the Democrat example does intrigue me. By Canadian standards, at least, Democrats are centrist or right-of-centre.
Democrats in the US, I thought.

And Ty... seriously...

The Democratic party would love to be a little left of center, and some members are, but Democrats in the US that have reached the Whitehouse or were headed there have always been center right historically. I'm trying to find the chart where they plotted the 1992 Candidates, but its somewhere in the google abyss. Clinton was plugged almost exactly where Kerry was in 2004 IRC.

2004 Potential Candidates

https://karmakat.typepad.com/picasso_dreams/auth_lib_2.jpg

Random World Leaders

https://politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.gif

Political Party Averages

https://www.mediachannel.org/images/compass_horowitz.jpg

2007-04-27 00:17:54

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7291|Cologne, Germany

While I agree that labels are mostly generalizations and thus should be avoided, I also believe they can be helpful under certain conditions. The problem is, people find it hard to grasp the complexity of any person's views here by just looking at some random topics. They read a couple of posts here and there, and boom, here comes the label.

I, for example, would call myself a liberal in a general context, yet I hold many conservative views on specific topics. It's complicated. This could only be avoided if everyone here read every single post by everyone else, then took the time to reflect on all of it and come to a realistic conclusion.

But let's face it, people are lazy, and they like their labels.

2007-04-27 00:19:51

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7291|Cologne, Germany

GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Spark wrote:
Drakef wrote:
Agreed. Especially with the 'liberals are terrorists' or 'conservatives hate minorities' idiocy.

However, the Democrat example does intrigue me. By Canadian standards, at least, Democrats are centrist or right-of-centre.
Democrats in the US, I thought.

And Ty... seriously...
The Democratic party would love to be a little left of center, and some members are, but Democrats in the US that have reached the Whitehouse or were headed there have always been center right historically. I'm trying to find the chart where they plotted the 1992 Candidates, but its somewhere in the google abyss. Clinton was plugged almost exactly where Kerry was in 2004 IRC.

2004 Potential Candidates
http://karmakat.typepad.com/picasso_dre … _lib_2.jpg

Random World Leaders
http://politicalcompass.org/images/inte … lchart.gif

Political Party Averages
http://www.mediachannel.org/images/compass_horowitz.jpg

I can't believe you put the pope in the same field as Robert Mugabe....

2007-04-27 00:32:23

GorillaTicTacs: Member; +231|6823|Kyiv, Ukraine

B.Schuss wrote:
GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Spark wrote:

Democrats in the US, I thought.

And Ty... seriously...
The Democratic party would love to be a little left of center, and some members are, but Democrats in the US that have reached the Whitehouse or were headed there have always been center right historically. I'm trying to find the chart where they plotted the 1992 Candidates, but its somewhere in the google abyss. Clinton was plugged almost exactly where Kerry was in 2004 IRC.

2004 Potential Candidates
http://karmakat.typepad.com/picasso_dre … _lib_2.jpg

Random World Leaders
http://politicalcompass.org/images/inte … lchart.gif

Political Party Averages
http://www.mediachannel.org/images/compass_horowitz.jpg
I can't believe you put the pope in the same field as Robert Mugabe....

See where you stand...take the quiz. Maybe I'll make a thread and we can plot any volunteers on our on BF2s chart.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/index

I got:
Economic Left/Right: -2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03

Which puts me next to Ralph Nader and the Dalai Lama, I suppose I could be in worse company.

2007-04-27 00:38:32

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7125|Canberra, AUS

Hmmm... I think I've been misunderstood here. It's not so much the label itself which irks me, it's the fact that some people see fit to drag the label in where it scarcely belongs - they'll throw a comment in like 'and of course, liberals would've done this...'

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2007-04-27 00:42:03

T.Pike: 99 Problems . . .; +187|6733|Pennsyltucky

Spark wrote:
Fucking labels.

So: I'm going to declare my support for the banning of the world 'liberal' in threads which are not aimed for/at liberals.

Sounds like something a liberal would say.

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