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2007-04-27 05:29:49
Cougar
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Here we go again with the Russia vs. Chechnya skirmish. 

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/04 … index.html

CNN wrote:

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- At least 17 people were killed when a Russian-made Mi-8 military transport helicopter crashed in the volatile province of Chechnya.

The Russian military prosecutor's office told CNN that 14 or 15 paratroopers and three crew members were killed when helicopter went down.

The craft, an Mi-8, was part of a three-helicopter team providing reinforcements to help commandos conducting a special operation in the restive region of Chechnya, near the town of Shatoi.

Authorities are investigating whether the craft was shot down or whether there had been a technical malfunction that caused a crash.

A Russian air force press service officer said the incident occurred at 11:34 a.m.

The RIA news agency said the helicopter was shot down by Chechen rebels during a Russian operation, according to a Reuters report.

It said a gunfight was raging at the scene of the crash between insurgents and Russian forces.

Chechnya is an autonomous republic in southwestern Russia, in the Caucasus Mountains region and has long fought for its independence. Years of conflict have taken a heavy toll on Chechnya's infrastructure and people. Fighting has damaged buildings, killed thousands and displaced half a million Chechen people
So do you think the Chechnian situation could erupt once more into a full fledged war?  One thing is for sure, unless there is some major attack on innocent Russian civilians, nothing President Putin does is going to look good in the press.
2007-04-27 05:35:41
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6673|Escea

Would that start like the third Chechen War, besides I'm starting to wonder how many helicopters have been shot down there, I still remember hearing of the Mi-26 that got shot down and then crashed into a minefield killed something like 90 people. Then again it wouldn't really surprise me if the Russians opened up on them, they don't take too kindly to the Chechens.
2007-04-27 05:38:48
Sambuccashake
Member
+126|7060|Sweden
For some reason I thought the russians never stopped going at it in Chechnya.
2007-04-27 05:53:05
Cougar
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Sambuccashake wrote:

For some reason I thought the Russians never stopped going at it in Chechnya.
There have actually been two Chechen wars over the course of the past 15 years or so.  During the first Chechnya gained partial independence when Boris Yeltsin ended the war after it seemed Russia would be unable to re-gain control.  The Second Chechen War actually brought the country back under Russian control and established a pro-Russian local government.  But with most things Russian, the local government is but a puppet and the vast majority of the populous still wants independence. 

You still hear of skirmishes here and there, such as the Chechen school being gassed by Putin after some rebels  holed up in the building.  Every few months or so you will here of a helicopter going down or a transport coming under attack but the Russian propaganda machine usually plays these events off as "technical problems that led to a crash" or "random and sporadic extremist attacks".  The truth is that the entire country is still trying to gain independence.  I'm just waiting for the third Chechen War to break off.
2007-04-27 05:53:11
JahManRed
wank
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The conflict never stopped, it just comes and goes on our TVs, always when Russians get killed.
2007-04-27 05:54:59
CameronPoe
Member
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Way to go Chechnya. I just pre-emptively feel sorry for them for the absolute mauling they'll now receive from the Russians. Freedom for Chechnya!

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-27 05:55:24)

2007-04-27 05:59:12
Marlboroman82
Personal philosophy: Clothing optional.
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CameronPoe wrote:

Way to go Chechnya. I just pre-emptively feel sorry for them for the absolute mauling they'll now receive from the Russians. Freedom for Chechnya!
well i think both sides are to blame for this mess. what does Russia really get out of controlling Chechnya? I mean is that country that valuable?
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2007-04-27 06:03:06
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6673|Escea

I never even knew where it was until not that long ago, Grozny is virtually leveled so I don't actually think there's anything for the Russians to claim. P.S does anyone actually know its value?
2007-04-27 06:03:58
CameronPoe
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Marlboroman82 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Way to go Chechnya. I just pre-emptively feel sorry for them for the absolute mauling they'll now receive from the Russians. Freedom for Chechnya!
well i think both sides are to blame for this mess. what does Russia really get out of controlling Chechnya? I mean is that country that valuable?
It is packed to the gills with black gold. As usual, oil is the problem.
2007-04-27 06:06:31
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Chechnya has oil? Hell I didn't know that, you learn something new everyday.
2007-04-27 06:12:32
Cougar
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CameronPoe wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Way to go Chechnya. I just pre-emptively feel sorry for them for the absolute mauling they'll now receive from the Russians. Freedom for Chechnya!
well i think both sides are to blame for this mess. what does Russia really get out of controlling Chechnya? I mean is that country that valuable?
It is packed to the gills with black gold. As usual, oil is the problem.
QFE

That, and the fact Russia has the "Macho Syndrome" and that mind set is extremely stressed due to all the old countries leaving the Motherland.  I'm sure the Russian government looks at Chechnya just as much like "What would the rest of the world think of us if we can't control a tiny 15,000 km hillbilly state" just as much as "If we lose Chechnya we be fucked on our oil reserves".

If there is a third war, Chechnya is screwed.  Putin will not back down and sign a peace treaty again like Yeltsin did.  We will see the next Russian-Afghan type war before that happens.
2007-04-27 06:15:23
psH
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Why didnt the pilot just press X?
2007-04-27 06:21:38
Marlboroman82
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Cougar wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:


well i think both sides are to blame for this mess. what does Russia really get out of controlling Chechnya? I mean is that country that valuable?
It is packed to the gills with black gold. As usual, oil is the problem.
QFE

That, and the fact Russia has the "Macho Syndrome" and that mind set is extremely stressed due to all the old countries leaving the Motherland.  I'm sure the Russian government looks at Chechnya just as much like "What would the rest of the world think of us if we can't control a tiny 15,000 km hillbilly state" just as much as "If we lose Chechnya we be fucked on our oil reserves".

If there is a third war, Chechnya is screwed.  Putin will not back down and sign a peace treaty again like Yeltsin did.  We will see the next Russian-Afghan type war before that happens.
ok gotcha, Russia seems like the boxer who has fought one too many fights and is trying for one more grasp at glory.
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2007-04-27 06:23:38
Cougar
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Marlboroman82 wrote:

Cougar wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


It is packed to the gills with black gold. As usual, oil is the problem.
QFE

That, and the fact Russia has the "Macho Syndrome" and that mind set is extremely stressed due to all the old countries leaving the Motherland.  I'm sure the Russian government looks at Chechnya just as much like "What would the rest of the world think of us if we can't control a tiny 15,000 km hillbilly state" just as much as "If we lose Chechnya we be fucked on our oil reserves".

If there is a third war, Chechnya is screwed.  Putin will not back down and sign a peace treaty again like Yeltsin did.  We will see the next Russian-Afghan type war before that happens.
ok gotcha, Russia seems like the boxer who has fought one too many fights and is trying for one more grasp at glory.
I'd say Russia is like an old boxing champion that's seen his hayday come and go and is now trying not to get beat up in the street by a 16 year old kid and made to look the fool.
2007-04-27 06:31:53
Marlboroman82
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i'll buy that, also the boxer is doped up on vodka and methadone.



also what are you doing up so early anyways?
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2007-04-27 06:33:37
Cougar
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Marlboroman82 wrote:

i'll buy that, also the boxer is doped up on vodka and methadone.



also what are you doing up so early anyways?
Yes, that is a good comparison.

I changed shifts finally.  5a.m.-2p.m.  It is the sux.
2007-04-27 06:35:44
Rickard.Jarl-
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go russia, crush the chechenyans(sp?)
2007-04-27 06:42:27
CameronPoe
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Rickard.Jarl- wrote:

go russia, crush the chechenyans(sp?)
Erm, why?
2007-04-27 06:59:50
Mekstizzle
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Stuff like this always confuses me. Why don't Russia just let them have their independace. Why does the U.S care so much about Iraq. Why do Pakistan and India want Kashmir so much.

All the places i mentioned really have little value, what's the point in fighting so much for them. The countries i mentioned (that are fighting for these lands) would be much better off focusing on more important things and just letting them have what they want instead of ruining everything by fighting for it.

Russia would be better off with an independant Chechnya, U.S would be better off leaving Iraq, and since Kashmir is a muslim state, just let Pakistan have it and honestly who gives a shit they'd be better off without it and without the trouble.
2007-04-27 07:26:03
ATG
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Stuff like this always confuses me. Why don't Russia just let them have their independace. Why does the U.S care so much about Iraq. Why do Pakistan and India want Kashmir so much.

All the places i mentioned really have little value, what's the point in fighting so much for them. The countries i mentioned (that are fighting for these lands) would be much better off focusing on more important things and just letting them have what they want instead of ruining everything by fighting for it.

Russia would be better off with an independant Chechnya, U.S would be better off leaving Iraq, and since Kashmir is a muslim state, just let Pakistan have it and honestly who gives a shit they'd be better off without it and without the trouble.
It's been said;  Oil.


Hitler went after this region ( aka the Caucasus Oil Fields    http://azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazi … _ww22.html

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2007-04-27 07:45:57
Th3PredatoR
Taking smurfs to school since 2005™
+11|6900

CameronPoe wrote:

Rickard.Jarl- wrote:

go russia, crush the chechenyans(sp?)
Erm, why?
Cus u think Chechnya are bunch of nice people getting raped by these stupid mofokas Prussians.
The conflict is still going on cus Chechnya wants to have freedom, if they will succeed, Chechnya will be know for most criminal country out there. Drugs will be legal there, so and weapons, mafia will control the country, police will be worthless cus they will be bribed to their death's, they won't even dare to resist. All these "nice" people are gypsies that will "build" their settlements in other countries where they will transport drugs, weapons and if anything will make them worried they will just go back to their shitty country where nobody could get them and then come back again.

Believe me you don't want that country to exist. That will be biggest mistake in history.
English is not my first language, any problems to understand - ask.


Oh and yeah, Go Russia!

Last edited by Th3PredatoR (2007-04-27 07:47:45)

2007-04-27 08:31:12
ATG
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Th3PredatoR wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Rickard.Jarl- wrote:

go russia, crush the chechenyans(sp?)
Erm, why?
Cus u think Chechnya are bunch of nice people getting raped by these stupid mofokas Prussians.
The conflict is still going on cus Chechnya wants to have freedom, if they will succeed, Chechnya will be know for most criminal country out there. Drugs will be legal there, so and weapons, mafia will control the country, police will be worthless cus they will be bribed to their death's, they won't even dare to resist. All these "nice" people are gypsies that will "build" their settlements in other countries where they will transport drugs, weapons and if anything will make them worried they will just go back to their shitty country where nobody could get them and then come back again.

Believe me you don't want that country to exist. That will be biggest mistake in history.
English is not my first language, any problems to understand - ask.


Oh and yeah, Go Russia!
So your basically saying they are bad people.
Ok.
2007-04-27 08:45:59
Th3PredatoR
Taking smurfs to school since 2005™
+11|6900

ATG wrote:

Th3PredatoR wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Erm, why?
Cus u think Chechnya are bunch of nice people getting raped by these stupid mofokas Prussians.
The conflict is still going on cus Chechnya wants to have freedom, if they will succeed, Chechnya will be know for most criminal country out there. Drugs will be legal there, so and weapons, mafia will control the country, police will be worthless cus they will be bribed to their death's, they won't even dare to resist. All these "nice" people are gypsies that will "build" their settlements in other countries where they will transport drugs, weapons and if anything will make them worried they will just go back to their shitty country where nobody could get them and then come back again.

Believe me you don't want that country to exist. That will be biggest mistake in history.
English is not my first language, any problems to understand - ask.


Oh and yeah, Go Russia!
So your basically saying they are bad people.
Ok.
I am not saying they are bad people, well, gypsies, yeah they are bad. But even thought, they will create a missfailing country if they will get a chance.
2007-04-27 08:50:29
CameronPoe
Member
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Th3PredatoR wrote:

ATG wrote:

Th3PredatoR wrote:


Cus u think Chechnya are bunch of nice people getting raped by these stupid mofokas Prussians.
The conflict is still going on cus Chechnya wants to have freedom, if they will succeed, Chechnya will be know for most criminal country out there. Drugs will be legal there, so and weapons, mafia will control the country, police will be worthless cus they will be bribed to their death's, they won't even dare to resist. All these "nice" people are gypsies that will "build" their settlements in other countries where they will transport drugs, weapons and if anything will make them worried they will just go back to their shitty country where nobody could get them and then come back again.

Believe me you don't want that country to exist. That will be biggest mistake in history.
English is not my first language, any problems to understand - ask.


Oh and yeah, Go Russia!
So your basically saying they are bad people.
Ok.
I am not saying they are bad people, well, gypsies, yeah they are bad. But even thought, they will create a missfailing country if they will get a chance.
The failure of their nation is no concern of yours. They have the right to be a failure (or success as the case may be) through how they run their own affairs, which they should be entitled to do.  93% of the population are native Chechen, they speak Chechen, practice Islam: they're NOT Russian - let them free for Christ's sake!
2007-04-27 17:24:35
Th3PredatoR
Taking smurfs to school since 2005™
+11|6900
k, nothing to discuss here. Totally pointless to prove anything to people like you.

Last edited by Th3PredatoR (2007-04-27 17:26:34)

 

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