I think lowing should sign up for the marines. His passion would be welcomed.
That may a necessary evil.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-George Orwell
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-George Orwell
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I sleep well at night because I am tired, and because I do not worry about things as unlikely as getting bombed. I do not sleep well at night because I think "well, I would be really worried, but I know some poor bastard is getting blown up in Iraq instead of me so it's ok"462nd NSP653 wrote:
That may a necessary evil.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-George Orwell
Oh, and he was also talking about conventional warfare, not terrorism.
He is leaving for Iraq on Monday. . . .Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I think lowing should sign up for the marines. His passion would be welcomed.
Does that answer your sarcastic retort??
In contributing to the thread, both the failed plot and the major terrorist arrest are huge. No one is saying terrorism as a concept is going to be defeated.
However. . . .
Terrorists and those who try to engage in terrorism can absolutely be defeated! al-Qaeda as an organization CAN be defeated, insurgents CAN be defeated, regimes who harbor/fund/support terrorists groups CAN be defeated.
However, they wont be if everyone doesnt get on the same page (i.e. liberals), and realize that these groups want to bring the most powerful weapons known to man. . . . and use them on us!!! Democrats and liberals think that leaving them alone solves the problem. They think non-confrontation is the right foreign policy to lead against these thugs. That policy has more holes then a piece of swiss cheese!!! Its wrong, ineffective, and doesnt confront the enemy! Its almost as if they want to concede that they dont have the stomach for prolonged conflict. . . .The terrorist groups have risen to such a level they are today BECAUSE of this "non-confrontational" policy the West has held for years!!
Now its time to get the Middle East and Europe on board to say "enough is enough" and military action needs to be sustained and brought to the forefront to combat these terrorist criminals and the regimes that support them! Good for Saudi Arabia, and congrats to the CIA for their huge capture! Shame on Democrats/liberals who would rather hide from the problem, rather than confront it!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lets be honest though there, he's hardly running around shooting people.fadedsteve wrote:
He is leaving for Iraq on Monday. . . .Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I think lowing should sign up for the marines. His passion would be welcomed.
Does that answer your sarcastic retort??
I don't understand. You use the Saudi government arresting terrorists on their own soil as a platform for saying we need more military action. surely the Saudis have proved this is the job of the intelligence agencies of the countries involved with our intelligence support and not foreign soldiers?fadedsteve wrote:
Now its time to get the Middle East and Europe on board to say "enough is enough" and military action needs to be sustained and brought to the forefront to combat these terrorist criminals and the regimes that support them! Good for Saudi Arabia, and congrats to the CIA for their huge capture!
Believing that things can be solved in a different manner does not = hiding from the problem.fadedsteve wrote:
Shame on Democrats/liberals who would rather hide from the problem, rather than confront it!!!!!!!!!!!
My only quote to that would be my uncle who died in NYC felt the same...and we weren't at 'war' then either. The necessary evil I was referring to was armed forces...not a war on terrorists or a conventional foe.ghettoperson wrote:
I sleep well at night because I am tired, and because I do not worry about things as unlikely as getting bombed. I do not sleep well at night because I think "well, I would be really worried, but I know some poor bastard is getting blown up in Iraq instead of me so it's ok"462nd NSP653 wrote:
That may a necessary evil.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-George Orwell
Oh, and he was also talking about conventional warfare, not terrorism.
PS: Nice MSPaint sig of 300. Movie of the year.
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I think it's great that something is being done against terrorism, and I agree that the whole world should be working on it. I agree with lowing. Twice already this month. Something weird is going on...
I don't get the point of the first post - what are you trying to say there lowing?
-konfusion
I don't get the point of the first post - what are you trying to say there lowing?
-konfusion
Look in the title. Every time he creates a thread about radicals its a dig at people who say they are a small minority and the majority of Muslims are not radicals.konfusion wrote:
I think it's great that something is being done against terrorism, and I agree that the whole world should be working on it. I agree with lowing. Twice already this month. Something weird is going on...
I don't get the point of the first post - what are you trying to say there lowing?
-konfusion
I think YOU should.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I think lowing should sign up for the marines. His passion would be welcomed.
nope, I am not "running around shooting people" I have never played my roll up to suggest I would be. I do support the war effort and I can proudly say what I will be doing over there have been proven to save the lives of our troops.ghettoperson wrote:
Lets be honest though there, he's hardly running around shooting people.fadedsteve wrote:
He is leaving for Iraq on Monday. . . .Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I think lowing should sign up for the marines. His passion would be welcomed.
Does that answer your sarcastic retort??
very simple, as proved on the first page of this thread, this news is being down played by the liberals in here as no big deal, and "so what". Just as I predicted.konfusion wrote:
I think it's great that something is being done against terrorism, and I agree that the whole world should be working on it. I agree with lowing. Twice already this month. Something weird is going on...
I don't get the point of the first post - what are you trying to say there lowing?
-konfusion
Now, if these attacks had occurred these very same people would be screaming how the war on terror isn't working and the fact that this attack was carried out proves it.
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I have asked how we can solve this problem by any other means, without appeasement, surrender, or negotiation, and diplomacy didn't work all through the 90's.crimson_grunt wrote:
I don't understand. You use the Saudi government arresting terrorists on their own soil as a platform for saying we need more military action. surely the Saudis have proved this is the job of the intelligence agencies of the countries involved with our intelligence support and not foreign soldiers?fadedsteve wrote:
Now its time to get the Middle East and Europe on board to say "enough is enough" and military action needs to be sustained and brought to the forefront to combat these terrorist criminals and the regimes that support them! Good for Saudi Arabia, and congrats to the CIA for their huge capture!Believing that things can be solved in a different manner does not = hiding from the problem.fadedsteve wrote:
Shame on Democrats/liberals who would rather hide from the problem, rather than confront it!!!!!!!!!!!
If it is so insignificant, and they are such a small group of people. Why does this topic dominate the worlds media as well as forums like this?? Are you really just gunna stick with, "the media is just trying scare us", or "they are just building it up so they can sell more papers"??crimson_grunt wrote:
Look in the title. Every time he creates a thread about radicals its a dig at people who say they are a small minority and the majority of Muslims are not radicals.konfusion wrote:
I think it's great that something is being done against terrorism, and I agree that the whole world should be working on it. I agree with lowing. Twice already this month. Something weird is going on...
I don't get the point of the first post - what are you trying to say there lowing?
-konfusion
There's a difference between a threat and a real threat. Statistically, motorists are more dangerous than terrorists. Terrorism doesn't cause a real threat.462nd NSP653 wrote:
You're too intelligent to make that comment...it implies the west is not threatened by terrorism. Surely that is not what you meant as history has proven it otherwise.Bubbalo wrote:
An area where terrorism poses a real threat, unlike the West.
No, I think it should be handled by law enforcement agencies, both local and national in co-operation with agencies overseas. Like Australia and Indonesia have done.lowing wrote:
It is what he meant, according to him 911, Spain, the PI, Indonesia, GB, etc............. all was meerly criminal behavior that should be handled by local law enforcment. Nothing more and no big deal
Right, because we should dance in the streets every time and arrest is made .lowing wrote:
It is this "so what" attitude like bubbalo, sergeriver and jonsimon has that is going to be the downfall of our country. I truly believe this.
The so what is because we all know that you're still trying to prove that terrorism is a real threat, which your example fails miserably at.
It isn't a threat?Bubbalo wrote:
you're still trying to prove that terrorism is a real threat
It isn't a real, as I explained. Deaths due to terrorism are statistically insignificant.
I take offense to the above quote as well as I find no death insignificant as I'm sure my aunt would agree.Bubbalo wrote:
It isn't a real, as I explained. Deaths due to terrorism are statistically insignificant.
The difference between a threat and a real threat (other than an adjective) is a matter of perception, not statistics. The commonly accepted term is a 'perceived' threat.
[edit]I understand your point, I just don't agree. The chance of me dying in a car wreck are exponentially higher than in a terrorist bombing but I perceive the terrorist as a threat, not so of the careless driver.[/edit]
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Why do you think you're not worried about something as unlikely as getting bombed? Could it be because of a certain shield of western military might that makes it less likely?ghettoperson wrote:
I sleep well at night because I am tired, and because I do not worry about things as unlikely as getting bombed. I do not sleep well at night because I think "well, I would be really worried, but I know some poor bastard is getting blown up in Iraq instead of me so it's ok"462nd NSP653 wrote:
That may a necessary evil.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-George Orwell
Oh, and he was also talking about conventional warfare, not terrorism.
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172 of them arrested during a 9 month period right? Well in 2006 New york reported 579 homicides does that mean the criminals in new York are the majority who have the city in their control and that the number of honest decent citizens is an insignificant number? No it doesn't.lowing wrote:
If it is so insignificant, and they are such a small group of people. Why does this topic dominate the worlds media as well as forums like this?? Are you really just gunna stick with, "the media is just trying scare us", or "they are just building it up so they can sell more papers"??
If 200 terrorists a year put in prison = end of the world from terrorism yet nearly 600 murders a year in just a single city of America = normal then seems hypocritical and yes deliberate scare mongering to me.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 … ders_x.htm
Im just happy that the Saudis are now admitting that al Qaeda actually operate in their country rather than rounding up and imprisoning a bunch of westerners when things go wrong.
It's not a threat because the boys in the secrets services don't take Bubbalos apathetic attitude towards it.usmarine2005 wrote:
It isn't a threat?Bubbalo wrote:
you're still trying to prove that terrorism is a real threat
Yep. And the beginning of this mission should first involve America never supporting dictators again. It should also involve us not supporting aristocratic governments that oppress Muslims and create environments for terror.fadedsteve wrote:
Terrorists and those who try to engage in terrorism can absolutely be defeated! al-Qaeda as an organization CAN be defeated, insurgents CAN be defeated, regimes who harbor/fund/support terrorists groups CAN be defeated.
Until we can separate ourselves from the corruption of the Middle East, military contractors, and Big Oil, we will continue to be seen as enemies to many people, and rightfully so.
Terrorists do things that are usually far worse than anything the West has done, but we still need to modify our own policies and behavior before we can expect the majority of Middle Eastern Muslims to trust us.
Granted, when you look at how desperate the situation currently is, it seems like boosting domestic defense while working away from foreign oil would be more productive endeavors than trying to fix such a hopeless part of the world.
A lot of terror has arisen due to the friends we made against the Soviets. Had we never aided Wahhabists and other extremists against the U.S.S.R., we probably wouldn't see as much extremism today.fadedsteve wrote:
However, they wont be if everyone doesnt get on the same page (i.e. liberals), and realize that these groups want to bring the most powerful weapons known to man. . . . and use them on us!!! Democrats and liberals think that leaving them alone solves the problem. They think non-confrontation is the right foreign policy to lead against these thugs. That policy has more holes then a piece of swiss cheese!!! Its wrong, ineffective, and doesnt confront the enemy! Its almost as if they want to concede that they dont have the stomach for prolonged conflict. . . .The terrorist groups have risen to such a level they are today BECAUSE of this "non-confrontational" policy the West has held for years!!
One key factor in all of this that seems to escape many neocons is that, ultimately, the Muslims must help themselves to rid their cultures of extremism. You would think a group of people usually focused on personal responsibility and against "handouts" would be more keen on this idea, but apparently, personal responsibility doesn't apply to Iraqis....
More like shame on U.S. politicians who continually give handouts to a dysfunctional Iraqi government. It's time to get the Iraqis off of our military-based welfare. American tax money should be spent on America, not Iraq.fadedsteve wrote:
Now its time to get the Middle East and Europe on board to say "enough is enough" and military action needs to be sustained and brought to the forefront to combat these terrorist criminals and the regimes that support them! Good for Saudi Arabia, and congrats to the CIA for their huge capture! Shame on Democrats/liberals who would rather hide from the problem, rather than confront it!!!!!!!!!!!
trueAjax_the_Great1 wrote:
It's not a threat because the boys in the secrets services don't take Bubbalos apathetic attitude towards it.usmarine2005 wrote:
It isn't a threat?Bubbalo wrote:
you're still trying to prove that terrorism is a real threat
the downfall of your country will be the interfering attitude your government seems to have with world affairs. That is the main reason people feel aggrieved by your country and want to harm you and your allies.lowing wrote:
It is this "so what" attitude like bubbalo, sergeriver and jonsimon has that is going to be the downfall of our country. I truly believe this.
The sooner America minds its own business and focuses instead on pollution, its health system and its poor, the sooner the World can move on from this Middle East dominated agenda.
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