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I challenge you to debate why W is a great American president.Bertster7 wrote:
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Because in this country, a person could get a C average in college and still end up being the most powerful single man on the face of the Earth next to the pope and George Lucas.
Now that's a tough one.....ATG wrote:
I challenge you to debate why W is a great American president.Bertster7 wrote:
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Ok, please debate why is Islam a peaceful religion.ATG wrote:
I challenge you to debate why W is a great American president.Bertster7 wrote:
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Islam in itself means a religion of peace. The Quran says, "And God calls to the home of peace". This is the message of Islam to mankind. It means that 'build a world of peace on earth so that you may be granted peace in your eternal life in the hereafter'. According to Islam, the three basic elements of building a peace culture are: Compassion, Forgiveness and Respect for all.sergeriver wrote:
Ok, please debate why is Islam a peaceful religion.ATG wrote:
I challenge you to debate why W is a great American president.Bertster7 wrote:
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Let's take compassion first. There are many verses in the holy Quran and hadith, which emphasise on compassion. For instance, the Prophet said: "O people, be compassionate to others so that you may be granted compassion by God." Thus, Islam makes compassion a matter of self-interest for every man and also motivates us to be compassionate in our dealings with each other. One who wants to receive God's grace will have to show compassion to others.
Regarding forgiveness, the Quran says, "When they are angered, they forgive," Quran has number of verses that promote forgiveness. Once a person came to the Prophet and asked him, "O Prophet, give me an advice by which I may be able to manage all the affairs of my life." The Prophet replied: "Don't be angry. Even if people provoke you, don't lose temper and forgive those who make you angry. Adopt forgiveness as your behaviour."
Now let's take the third principle, respect for all. There is a very interesting story, recorded by Al-Bukhari in this regard. The Prophet once saw a funeral procession passing by a street in Madina. The Prophet was seated at that time. On seeing the funeral, the Prophet stood up in respect. At this one of his companions said: 'O Prophet, it was the funeral of a Jew (not a Muslim).' The Prophet replied: 'Was he not a human being?'
He said that every human being is worthy of respect. There may be differences among people regarding religion and culture, but everyone has to respect the other. Because Islam says that all men and women are brothers and sisters. And all are creatures of one and the same God.
These three principles are the basic pillars, which can lead to the formation of a peaceful society. Wherever these three values are to be found the result no doubt will be a society of peace and harmony.
The above references are enough to show that Islam is a culture of peace. It is true that some Muslims are engaged in violence in the name of Islam. But you will have to differentiate between Islam and Muslims. You have to see Muslims in the light of Islam and not vice versa.
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George W. Bush has done a lot for America. He has led the US through the greatest terrorist attack in history and has successfully brought down a regime which supported and granted safe haven to the organisation behind the attacks. Despite this catastrophe occuring during his presidency he was elected for a second term, which is a clear indication of the confidence he instilled in the public throughout this disaster and in the face of an invisible terrorist enemy. In the wake of 9/11 Bush created the department of Homeland Security and brought in new, tough legislation designed to prevent this type of occurence from happening again and it has not happened again.
Bush's fiscal policy has also been deceptively effective. The tax cuts proposed by the Bush administration were fiercely opposed, yet Bush argued, correctly, that the cuts would stimulate the economy (then headed in the direction of a recession) and create jobs. Despite the $1.3 trillion of cuts, tax revenues increased in many areas and the cuts did indeed promote growth. The US economy is in generally good shape, thanks to Bush's shrewd financial management.
Bush also deposed the brutal Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, who at the time was believed to be stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, which could potentially have had disasterous consequences, especially in light of the ever growing terrorist threat.
Bush has also worked hard to try to protect the rights of hard working Americans from the plague of illegal immigration, he has tightened border security and created a temporary guest worker scheme, which will mean at least some of these illegal immigrants can be properly integrated into the country and at least pay taxes.
Bush's fiscal policy has also been deceptively effective. The tax cuts proposed by the Bush administration were fiercely opposed, yet Bush argued, correctly, that the cuts would stimulate the economy (then headed in the direction of a recession) and create jobs. Despite the $1.3 trillion of cuts, tax revenues increased in many areas and the cuts did indeed promote growth. The US economy is in generally good shape, thanks to Bush's shrewd financial management.
Bush also deposed the brutal Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, who at the time was believed to be stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, which could potentially have had disasterous consequences, especially in light of the ever growing terrorist threat.
Bush has also worked hard to try to protect the rights of hard working Americans from the plague of illegal immigration, he has tightened border security and created a temporary guest worker scheme, which will mean at least some of these illegal immigrants can be properly integrated into the country and at least pay taxes.
There's a difference between anti-Zionism and hatred for Jews.ATG wrote:
Of course the average anti-Zionist is not a murdering maniac, but, hatred for the Jews and their regime only will result in the same type of murder.
Yes, one is a hatred of Jews, and the other is a politically correct term used to disguise ones hatred of Jews.Bubbalo wrote:
There's a difference between anti-Zionism and hatred for Jews.ATG wrote:
Of course the average anti-Zionist is not a murdering maniac, but, hatred for the Jews and their regime only will result in the same type of murder.
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Yes, one is a hatred of Jews, and the other is a politically correct term used to disguise ones hatred of Jews.Bubbalo wrote:
There's a difference between anti-Zionism and hatred for Jews.ATG wrote:
Of course the average anti-Zionist is not a murdering maniac, but, hatred for the Jews and their regime only will result in the same type of murder.
Absolutely.lowing wrote:
Yes, one is a hatred of Jews, and the other is a politically correct term used to disguise ones hatred of Jews.Bubbalo wrote:
There's a difference between anti-Zionism and hatred for Jews.ATG wrote:
Of course the average anti-Zionist is not a murdering maniac, but, hatred for the Jews and their regime only will result in the same type of murder.
Just like all the Jew hating Jews in the Jews Against Zionism organisation in the UK.
So what was the term and reason used to commit genocide against the Jews BEFORE Israel and before this really cool catch phrase (zionism)??Bertster7 wrote:
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Yes, one is a hatred of Jews, and the other is a politically correct term used to disguise ones hatred of Jews.Bubbalo wrote:
There's a difference between anti-Zionism and hatred for Jews.
Just like all the Jew hating Jews in the Jews Against Zionism organisation in the UK.
Well it certainly wasn't Zionism.lowing wrote:
So what was the term and reason used to commit genocide against the Jews BEFORE Israel and before this really cool catch phrase (zionism)??Bertster7 wrote:
Absolutely.lowing wrote:
Yes, one is a hatred of Jews, and the other is a politically correct term used to disguise ones hatred of Jews.
Just like all the Jew hating Jews in the Jews Against Zionism organisation in the UK.
The Nazis were, to an extent, pro-Zionist. They just wanted the Jews gone. The original plan was Madagascar, then they entered into talks with Lehi considering the possibility of forcible deportation to Palestine. Then they decided it would be far easier just to kill them all.
Well that is a relief!!.........See, I spent all this time thinking they just hated the Jews along with the Muslims. How stupid of me.Bertster7 wrote:
Well it certainly wasn't Zionism.lowing wrote:
So what was the term and reason used to commit genocide against the Jews BEFORE Israel and before this really cool catch phrase (zionism)??Bertster7 wrote:
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Just like all the Jew hating Jews in the Jews Against Zionism organisation in the UK.
The Nazis were, to an extent, pro-Zionist. They just wanted the Jews gone. The original plan was Madagascar, then they entered into talks with Lehi considering the possibility of forcible deportation to Palestine. Then they decided it would be far easier just to kill them all.
They did hate them. That's why they wanted them gone and why they eventually came to the decision it would be easier to kill them all.lowing wrote:
Well that is a relief!!.........See, I spent all this time thinking they just hated the Jews along with the Muslims. How stupid of me.Bertster7 wrote:
Well it certainly wasn't Zionism.lowing wrote:
So what was the term and reason used to commit genocide against the Jews BEFORE Israel and before this really cool catch phrase (zionism)??
The Nazis were, to an extent, pro-Zionist. They just wanted the Jews gone. The original plan was Madagascar, then they entered into talks with Lehi considering the possibility of forcible deportation to Palestine. Then they decided it would be far easier just to kill them all.
The Zionists actually contacted the Nazis to see about the relocation of Jews from Europe to Palestine actually.
Yeahhhhhhh, and with Zionism you have a convenient disguise for that hatred. Or are you really going to suggest that if Israel didn't exist everyone would just love the Jews...................just like before??? Reality check starts................................................now!!!Bertster7 wrote:
They did hate them. That's why they wanted them gone and why they eventually came to the decision it would be easier to kill them all.lowing wrote:
Well that is a relief!!.........See, I spent all this time thinking they just hated the Jews along with the Muslims. How stupid of me.Bertster7 wrote:
Well it certainly wasn't Zionism.
The Nazis were, to an extent, pro-Zionist. They just wanted the Jews gone. The original plan was Madagascar, then they entered into talks with Lehi considering the possibility of forcible deportation to Palestine. Then they decided it would be far easier just to kill them all.
I'm an anti-zionist and yet I've visited the wailing wall, been blessed by a rabbi, had drinks with Israelis in Eilat and Jerusalem. I don't hate jews. So tell me again what your point was?lowing wrote:
Yeahhhhhhh, and with Zionism you have a convenient disguise for that hatred. Or are you really going to suggest that if Israel didn't exist everyone would just love the Jews...................just like before??? Reality check starts................................................now!!!
History, is my point Cam! If it was not for the creation of Israel, the world would FIND a reason to hate the Jews, just like in the past, before Israel. Or are you really going to suggest otherwise, and if so, cite me something in history to support it.CameronPoe wrote:
I'm an anti-zionist and yet I've visited the wailing wall, been blessed by a rabbi, had drinks with Israelis in Eilat and Jerusalem. I don't hate jews. So tell me again what your point was?lowing wrote:
Yeahhhhhhh, and with Zionism you have a convenient disguise for that hatred. Or are you really going to suggest that if Israel didn't exist everyone would just love the Jews...................just like before??? Reality check starts................................................now!!!
I was not addressing whether or not jews would be hated absent of a state of Israel. I was stating that anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. It is a criticism of a policy not a race.lowing wrote:
History, is my point Cam! If it was not for the creation of Israel, the world would FIND a reason to hate the Jews, just like in the past, before Israel. Or are you really going to suggest otherwise, and if so, cite me something in history to support it.
Ok so you don't think anti-zionism has anything to do with anti-semitism in the world?? Good luck with that one.CameronPoe wrote:
I was not addressing whether or not jews would be hated absent of a state of Israel. I was stating that anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. It is a criticism of a policy not a race.lowing wrote:
History, is my point Cam! If it was not for the creation of Israel, the world would FIND a reason to hate the Jews, just like in the past, before Israel. Or are you really going to suggest otherwise, and if so, cite me something in history to support it.
Everyone is allowed to have a nation EXCEPT the Jews. If not located in the ME where exactly would you think the Jews would be able to set up camp without any hatred or agression toward them???
It should have been set up in East Germany and all East Germans moved the West Germany. Goodness knows Poland and Russia's international boundaries shifted enough.lowing wrote:
Ok so you don't think anti-zionism has anything to do with anti-semitism in the world?? Good luck with that one.CameronPoe wrote:
I was not addressing whether or not jews would be hated absent of a state of Israel. I was stating that anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. It is a criticism of a policy not a race.lowing wrote:
History, is my point Cam! If it was not for the creation of Israel, the world would FIND a reason to hate the Jews, just like in the past, before Israel. Or are you really going to suggest otherwise, and if so, cite me something in history to support it.
Everyone is allowed to have a nation EXCEPT the Jews. If not located in the ME where exactly would you think the Jews would be able to set up camp without any hatred or agression toward them???
Perhaps but just like in the ME the Jews would not be at peace. Because they are so hated in this world. I am not convinced anti-Zionism is not rooted in anti-semitism. History dictates this for me.CameronPoe wrote:
It should have been set up in East Germany and all East Germans moved the West Germany. Goodness knows Poland and Russia's international boundaries shifted enough.lowing wrote:
Ok so you don't think anti-Zionism has anything to do with anti-semitism in the world?? Good luck with that one.CameronPoe wrote:
I was not addressing whether or not jews would be hated absent of a state of Israel. I was stating that anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. It is a criticism of a policy not a race.
Everyone is allowed to have a nation EXCEPT the Jews. If not located in the ME where exactly would you think the Jews would be able to set up camp without any hatred or aggression toward them???
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Zionism can be used as a disguise for anti-semetism, but for the most part it is not.lowing wrote:
Yeahhhhhhh, and with Zionism you have a convenient disguise for that hatred. Or are you really going to suggest that if Israel didn't exist everyone would just love the Jews...................just like before??? Reality check starts................................................now!!!Bertster7 wrote:
They did hate them. That's why they wanted them gone and why they eventually came to the decision it would be easier to kill them all.lowing wrote:
Well that is a relief!!.........See, I spent all this time thinking they just hated the Jews along with the Muslims. How stupid of me.Bertster7 wrote:
Well it certainly wasn't Zionism.
The Nazis were, to an extent, pro-Zionist. They just wanted the Jews gone. The original plan was Madagascar, then they entered into talks with Lehi considering the possibility of forcible deportation to Palestine. Then they decided it would be far easier just to kill them all.
Unless you have any specific examples you would like to cite to reinforce your point?
I don't believe in any religion or ethnic group having their own sectarian state. I think the entire principle is at odds with the sort of world we should be aiming to build.lowing wrote:
Ok so you don't think anti-zionism has anything to do with anti-semitism in the world?? Good luck with that one.CameronPoe wrote:
I was not addressing whether or not jews would be hated absent of a state of Israel. I was stating that anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. It is a criticism of a policy not a race.lowing wrote:
History, is my point Cam! If it was not for the creation of Israel, the world would FIND a reason to hate the Jews, just like in the past, before Israel. Or are you really going to suggest otherwise, and if so, cite me something in history to support it.
Everyone is allowed to have a nation EXCEPT the Jews. If not located in the ME where exactly would you think the Jews would be able to set up camp without any hatred or agression toward them???
Why does history dictate that for you?lowing wrote:
Perhaps but just like in the ME the Jews would not be at peace. Because they are so hated in this world. I am not convinced anti-Zionism is not rooted in anti-semitism. History dictates this for me.CameronPoe wrote:
It should have been set up in East Germany and all East Germans moved the West Germany. Goodness knows Poland and Russia's international boundaries shifted enough.lowing wrote:
Ok so you don't think anti-Zionism has anything to do with anti-semitism in the world?? Good luck with that one.
Everyone is allowed to have a nation EXCEPT the Jews. If not located in the ME where exactly would you think the Jews would be able to set up camp without any hatred or aggression toward them???
The bulk of anti-Zionist organisations have been established by Jews.
I believe that virtually all anti-semetic feeling is caused by two factors, neither of which is peoples predisposition to hate the Jews.
The first reason is religious tension.
The second is economic deprivation.
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