SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7243|Delaware
While I do realize that this would mean the return of blackhawk whoring, I see more good in this than bad. My first point is the realism of a passenger capping the flag.

If you are driving the Vodnik and you pull up next to a flag, who has the more realistic shot of lowering and raising a flag from a flagpole?

A: The driver, with both hands on the wheel.
B: The passengers, sitting in the car picking their asses.

If you have guys with free hands, they need to get credit for the capping, not the pilot of the chopper who can fly with his feet while dodging rockets and machinegun rounds while still raising a flag.

Second, the practicality of my tank gunner staying with me...any gunner really. If you're flying or driving, your gunner is a key role. You don't want him to leave is 80mm cannon or his .50cal, leaving you exposed to c4/whatever else you can think of. You don't want your engineers in the back of the vodnik or blackhawk to not be able to repair you on a moments notice. Many's the time since 1.03 that I've been in the APC, without my side and back gunners (since they have to get out and cap), and gotten c4ed. Not only does that buy the enemy time away from a key armoured vehicle, but it leaves my squad vulnerable to things they can't protect themselves from.

Third, a result of number two. Since I am without a gunner, I sometimes switch to the gunner seat in order to provide myself with faster turning and better protection against the afforementioned c4. Not only by doing that do I risk being shot out and having my vehicle stolen, but I risk losing flag cap points because some moron can hop in the driver's seat, then hop back out, and I am stuck with assists. BULL SHIT.

If it wasn't 1:40 in the morning I'd have some other reasons and examples for you all to share in, but I'm sure you all have met a time when you wish there was one extra help protecting you a little more when capping that key control point.

And if you can't give them full cap points, at least give them assists...after all, they are ASSISTING you, the driver, in capping the flag...whether raising it or watching your back while you raise it.
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7211|Singapore

Err and have full blackhawks take over the world again?
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7243|Delaware

polarbearz wrote:

Err and have full blackhawks take over the world again?
Don't play on maps with blackhawks.
I.M.I Militant
We Are Not Alone In Here
+297|7142|Melbourne, Australia
i dont mind the idae of fully loaded blac khawcks cap flags.. cuz if theres a anti tanker in teh area a hovering black hawck is heaven ... easy shot and lots of kills... i say bring it back
shspunkrockr
Member
+0|7175
I agree to bring it back. Blackhawk owning all of you? Fucking kill it and stop whining. There's plenty of things that can either take a BH down or kill the people inside it. Spawn as anti-tank:launch rockets at it, spawn as sniper:hit the guys inside it or take it down completely. There are so many ways to counter it. And do you think that Iraqis can just say "God dammit those Americans are Blackhawk whoring again, omgwtfbbq ! ! !" no, it's war . . . That's all I have to say.
OpsChief
Member
+101|7098|Southern California
lol rockr i bet they do say it and alot.... but ya just kill the damn blackhawk and get it over with
Kamikaze17
Over the line!
+70|7171|Mark it zero.
well why would you sit there with a BH hovering anyways? have everyone jump out except for one gunner and then circle the place giving cover, then pick them up again. or if you need to, keep an engineer in there too. and having a full APC capping flags leaves you more vulnerable. those side and back guns are worthless and dont have much field of vision. it would be better to have everyone out.
Ali
Official Hell Bound Turbo Action Club Member
+17|7132|Gütersloh, Germany
The gunner in the attack chopper (OK, I hate it when the attack chopper pilot captures flags, it's not his job just like it's not the bombers pilot job to chase jets), the guy on the MG of a tank or any transport vehicle (except the DPV and the front seat MGs) are more advantageous in the vehicle than outside helping to capture the flag. So those guys should be able to help capturing while in the vehicle. How many times did I get C4ed because my MG was unmanned and I didn't see the SpecOps although I switched between camera positions.
NZDeathBoy
Member
+20|7122|Chch, New Zealand
Yeah i think it should be back. Ok blackhawk whoring will be back, but all that would mean, is more people would  have to be anti armor. Not a problem. You can be either be in the blackhawk geting falg points, or you can be anti armor taking out the blackhawks, geting a total of  18points  : )
I say bring it back!
Dirrty_Bird
Dirtier than thou
+5|7163|Vermont
I don't think they did it for any reason other than Black Hawk whoring; it has nothing to do with who is better situated to be capturing the flag.  I did notice one part of your post that seemed kind of wierd to me...

SysTray wrote:

Many's the time since 1.03 that I've been in the APC, without my side and back gunners (since they have to get out and cap), and gotten c4ed.
What the hell do they do when they get out?  Sit their and stare at the sky?  Especially in APCs, the gunner's field of vision is very limited.  They can probably protect you better while on foot anyways.
Zukabazuka
Member
+23|7108

SysTray wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

Err and have full blackhawks take over the world again?
Don't play on maps with blackhawks.
On every USA map upset 1, Strike at karkand doesn't have blackhawk every other map has it. No I don't want this to come back, because those miniguns do kill fast.
Paladus902
The Last Man Standing
+1|7209
Instead of all the passengers how about a compromise?  Why not let the main gunner/driver and 50cal gunner both get the cap point?  Or just the pilot and the blackhawk gunners?  While its not all of the passengers, it would certainly aid in denfense while capturing.    Although for the APC I suppose the passengers would have to definitly get out.

Just an idea.
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|7107
I say bring back passenger flag capping, except not in the BH.  Problem solved.
Justinian
Member
+1|7201
I really hate it, because the retarded assault chopper pilots ALWAYS hover over a flag to cap it instead of doing their job - letting the gunner blow **** up. If I expect to get points, I have to get out. He's probably too retarded to land it so I can get out, so I lose health. Then, once we've capped it, he immediately leaves without picking his gunner up.

That's if he survives. Usually they get nailed because they're hovering in one place.

I hate nub flag capture pilots. :@
Hyper
Banned
+154|7173
choppers are not meant to cap flags
they are there to kill stuff......
-_{MoW}_-Assasin
Member
+13|7151|Australia
1 simple answer, only ground vehicle's passengers can do that
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7142|California

SysTray wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

Err and have full blackhawks take over the world again?
Don't play on maps with blackhawks.
yea awesome play strike for the rest of my life
psychotoxic187
Member
+11|7132
I like having to get out of the vehicle, it creates more teamwork. The problem I have with it is, if they are going to make you jump out, then give everyone full points, and not assists. Anyone who enters the flag capping radius after it's neutralized, then would get assists. I like the team play factor of everyone jumping out, and dominating a flag.
the_ubernoob_
Member
+8|7166

SysTray wrote:

B: The passengers, sitting in the car picking their asses.
(Tries to raise a flag in real life while inside a van...fails....)

How about this.

1: Driver can cap flag.
2: Passengers #1 and #2 can cap a flag IF they are in control of a vehicle mounted gun.
3: Everyone else has to get out (quit being lazy).
SGT_Squirtle
Member
+13|7138
How about just allow passengers on ground vehicles to cap flags from inside... aircraft of any kind shouldn't have any effect on the flag... as I'm sure someone in an F35 has capped a flag or two
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7197|Noizyland

sgt_Squirtle has the right idea.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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Sgt.Scream.MDK
Member
+19|7185|Florida - America's Wang!

the_ubernoob_ wrote:

How about this.

1: Driver can cap flag.
2: Passengers #1 and #2 can cap a flag IF they are in control of a vehicle mounted gun.
3: Everyone else has to get out (quit being lazy).
I think this is the way to go. It wasn't too bad jumping out except when that assclown thinks he has free reign to jump in my ride. This goes especially for the attack choppers. As long as you are providing defense as a copilot for the pilot who is capping a flag, shouldn't that count for a cap assist? I think it should.
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7211|Singapore

Don't BS me SysTray. Even NOW when passengers cannot cap a flag inside the blackhawk, it decimates a flag pretty fast. Hovers over the flag, auxillary passengers jump out leaving the 2 main gunners in, flag goes down in 10 seconds, everyone boards the BH and moves off. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7243|Delaware

stryyker wrote:

SysTray wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

Err and have full blackhawks take over the world again?
Don't play on maps with blackhawks.
yea awesome play strike for the rest of my life
Or you can play SF, or you can hop in the BlackHawk, or you can command, or you can take down the blackhawk. =/ You people act like it's invincible.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7142|California

polarbearz wrote:

Don't BS me SysTray. Even NOW when passengers cannot cap a flag inside the blackhawk, it decimates a flag pretty fast. Hovers over the flag, auxillary passengers jump out leaving the 2 main gunners in, flag goes down in 10 seconds, everyone boards the BH and moves off. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
all the butteffers i fly with hover 1000 feet over the ground, and then go into a steep dive at the flags
6 teammates r no more, ghey. i think a BH shound not be able to cap, cause of the miniguns, but the frog should be, jist MO tho

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