Big Brother and Lesbian Kisses

2007-04-30 01:30:26

#1

GorillaTicTacs: Member; +231|6821|Kyiv, Ukraine

Full article:
http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/7232416.html

Cross-posted at PrisonPlanet.com

WBKO News wrote:
A security camera captured two girls kissing, but it's what happened next that sparked a surveillance debate. With Warren County schools having surveillance cameras not only in the high schools but in the middle school and elementary schools as well, you'll want to read on because reporter Keith Eldridge's brings you the story that asks the question: When does Big Brother surveillance cross the line?

The dean of students said he saw two girls kissing. He checked the surveillance tape then shared what he saw with the parents of one of the girls. They then pulled her out of school, which then pulled the peninsula school district into a big controversy.

The big problem with police states is "who watches the watchers?" I'm not arguing against security for our children in schools, but when it is re-adjusted to be used for personal reasons or to push a homophobic or religious agenda, it can be frightening. Germany used to send un-edited pictures of speeders when issuing speeding tickets by mail until too many people were busted cheating on their spouses, so now they blur out the passenger side of the car.

So tell me, is this just a fluke, or can we expect the religious right to take control of the surveillence from now on with some horrible results? I know that the Bush administration doesn't seem to grasp the concept of "ethical restraint" or even "constitutional restraint" of monitoring programs. Should we maybe start looking at ways to reign this kind of thing in, instead of loosening the laws so anything goes in the name of security?

2007-04-30 01:36:42

#2

some_random_panda: Flamesuit essential; +454|6839

If the girls are lesbian, so be it!

So what? It's not like anyone has buttsecks in the corridor.

Last edited by some_random_panda (2007-04-30 01:38:19)

2007-04-30 02:05:41

#3

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7180|St. Andrews / Oslo

some_random_panda wrote:
If the girls are lesbian, so be it!

So what? It's not like anyone has buttsecks in the corridor.

Almost.

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/26774/flickricon.png

2007-04-30 02:27:56

#4

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6738|Éire

Likewise the patriot act is just another example of too much power being given to the powers that be. Britain has a similar issue at the moment, Britain has more surveillance cameras than America! It is the most surveilled country in the world. The Government is supposed to work for us, not to control us, when are people ever going to fully realise that?

2007-04-30 02:29:34

#5

maniacmattie: Karma Whore.. LOL; +27|6749

Lesbains are awesome anyway.

2007-04-30 03:37:56

#6

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7097

maniacmattie wrote:
Lesbains are awesome anyway.

Not true. Hot internet ones are, in my experience real ones aren't.

2007-04-30 03:47:00

#7

SineNomine: Panzerblitz; +37|7171|SPARTA

And the parents ask why their kids go amok???

2007-04-30 03:47:16

#8

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7029|SE London

ghettoperson wrote:
maniacmattie wrote:
Lesbains are awesome anyway.
Not true. Hot internet ones are, in my experience real ones aren't.

So true.

Real lesbians tend to be fat, butch and ugly. But occassionally you do see some hotties. Especially the ones that aren't really lesbians. Just drunken sluts with bisexual tendencies.....

Mmmmmmm.......

They can be fun.

I don't see any mention in the article of how old they were. In the UK if whoever is involved is over 17 (I think it's 17) then they are responsible for telling their parents and the police or any other public authorities, which I assume includes school staff, are not allowed to do so without their expressed consent.

CCTV should not be used for this sort of thing. I'm fine with having it there. But it should only be used to deter crime and to catch criminals. This sort of usage is totally unacceptable. Especially when you get parents responding in such a reactionary way.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-04-30 03:54:24)

2007-04-30 04:16:46

#9

BVC: Member; +325|7144

Lesbians range from women most of us would drool over, to the classic butchy truck driver, they're quite a diverse lot. If you only see one of the two extremes, well it either sucks or rules to be you.

Observations of variety aside, what business is it of the schools? If the cameras are there for the students' safety, that is all they should be used for, NOT to enforce the personal views of the school administration.

2007-04-30 04:42:39

#10

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7097

Bertster7 wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
maniacmattie wrote:
Lesbains are awesome anyway.
Not true. Hot internet ones are, in my experience real ones aren't.
So true.

Real lesbians tend to be fat, butch and ugly. But occassionally you do see some hotties. Especially the ones that aren't really lesbians. Just drunken sluts with bisexual tendencies.....

Mmmmmmm.......

They can be fun.

I don't see any mention in the article of how old they were. In the UK if whoever is involved is over 17 (I think it's 17) then they are responsible for telling their parents and the police or any other public authorities, which I assume includes school staff, are not allowed to do so without their expressed consent.

CCTV should not be used for this sort of thing. I'm fine with having it there. But it should only be used to deter crime and to catch criminals. This sort of usage is totally unacceptable. Especially when you get parents responding in such a reactionary way.

Does that go for anything, if they catch people kissing they're allowed to tell their parents, or is it because they're evil homosexuals? Either way, sounds like an odd law to me.

And iLol'd at the first part of your post.

2007-04-30 05:00:46

#11

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7029|SE London

ghettoperson wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:

Not true. Hot internet ones are, in my experience real ones aren't.
So true.

Real lesbians tend to be fat, butch and ugly. But occassionally you do see some hotties. Especially the ones that aren't really lesbians. Just drunken sluts with bisexual tendencies.....

Mmmmmmm.......

They can be fun.

I don't see any mention in the article of how old they were. In the UK if whoever is involved is over 17 (I think it's 17) then they are responsible for telling their parents and the police or any other public authorities, which I assume includes school staff, are not allowed to do so without their expressed consent.

CCTV should not be used for this sort of thing. I'm fine with having it there. But it should only be used to deter crime and to catch criminals. This sort of usage is totally unacceptable. Especially when you get parents responding in such a reactionary way.
Does that go for anything, if they catch people kissing they're allowed to tell their parents, or is it because they're evil homosexuals? Either way, sounds like an odd law to me.

And iLol'd at the first part of your post.

I don't know. I remember knowing all that so if I was ever arrested after I was 17, which fortunately (and somewhat suprisingly) I wasn't, I knew my rights very well and the police were not allowed to tell my parents. I'm assuming this also extends to school staff.

Why is it an odd law that people over 17 are considered to be responsible for themselves and that it is not the place of authorities to involve their parents?

2007-04-30 05:46:32

#12

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7097

Bertster7 wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:

So true.

Real lesbians tend to be fat, butch and ugly. But occassionally you do see some hotties. Especially the ones that aren't really lesbians. Just drunken sluts with bisexual tendencies.....

Mmmmmmm.......

They can be fun.

I don't see any mention in the article of how old they were. In the UK if whoever is involved is over 17 (I think it's 17) then they are responsible for telling their parents and the police or any other public authorities, which I assume includes school staff, are not allowed to do so without their expressed consent.

CCTV should not be used for this sort of thing. I'm fine with having it there. But it should only be used to deter crime and to catch criminals. This sort of usage is totally unacceptable. Especially when you get parents responding in such a reactionary way.
Does that go for anything, if they catch people kissing they're allowed to tell their parents, or is it because they're evil homosexuals? Either way, sounds like an odd law to me.

And iLol'd at the first part of your post.
I don't know. I remember knowing all that so if I was ever arrested after I was 17, which fortunately (and somewhat suprisingly) I wasn't, I knew my rights very well and the police were not allowed to tell my parents. I'm assuming this also extends to school staff.

Why is it an odd law that people over 17 are considered to be responsible for themselves and that it is not the place of authorities to involve their parents?

Oh, I just reread that and understood what you meant. I thought you were referring specifically to kissing, rather than getting caught doing anything. Although no matter what their age, there is no law against kissing, so the parents shouldn't have been informed anyway.

2007-04-30 05:50:09

#13

BVC: Member; +325|7144

If there are genetic factors influencing sexuality, shouldn't the church just accept gay men and women because thats the way god made them right?

2007-04-30 05:55:52

#14

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7097

Pubic wrote:
If there are genetic factors influencing sexuality, shouldn't the church just accept gay men and women because thats the way god made them right?

No, it doesn't work like that. Gay men and women have chosen to turn their lives to Satan, and he made their genes do that.

</sarc>

2007-04-30 07:17:21

#15

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7184|Salt Lake City

Pubic wrote:
If there are genetic factors influencing sexuality, shouldn't the church just accept gay men and women because thats the way god made them right?

Not really. In fact I started a thread on this some time ago. The question being would the religions accept homosexuality if it were found to have a physiological cause. As I see it, the answer would still be no. With a physiological cause it would be called a disease or disorder, and then you start having people look for a cure.

2007-04-30 07:19:46

#16

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7184|Salt Lake City

As to the original question, I would say this. Unless the school has a policy regarding such interaction (kissing) on the campus, and the parents would also have been notified had it been a male and female, then it is the school's policy. If the parents were notified only because of the lesbian nature, then it is flat out wrong; and no I didin't read the entire article.

2007-04-30 13:05:37

#17

Commie Killer: Member; +192|6835

ghettoperson wrote:
maniacmattie wrote:
Lesbains are awesome anyway.
Not true. Hot internet ones are, in my experience real ones aren't.

In my experience they are hot as hell in high school, but then of course the only reason she sent me the pictures was because she wanted to go out with me. (I told her I wasnt ready lol).

2007-04-30 13:56:50

#18

TrollmeaT: Aspiring Objectivist; +492|7121|Colorado

some_random_panda wrote:
If the girls are lesbian, so be it!

So what? It's not like anyone has buttsecks in the corridor.

Wouldn't that be more like a scissor me timbers?

Alison wrote:
Have you, never even thought of being with another woman?

Mrs Garrison wrote:
Oh goodness no! Of course I haven't. I mean really, I don't even understand how two woman can make love. I mean unless they kinda just scissor or something.

2007-04-30 14:09:06

#19

aLeX: .?; +160|6779|:D

2007-04-30 14:21:03

#20

rawls2: Mr. Bigglesworth; +89|7008

Braddock wrote:
Likewise the patriot act is just another example of too much power being given to the powers that be. Britain has a similar issue at the moment, Britain has more surveillance cameras than America! It is the most surveilled country in the world. The Government is supposed to work for us, not to control us, when are people ever going to fully realise that?

When crazies stop trying to blow up innocents civilians.

2007-04-30 14:34:10

#21

UGADawgs: Member; +13|6769|South Carolina, US

GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Full article:
http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/7232416.html

Cross-posted at PrisonPlanet.com

WBKO News wrote:
A security camera captured two girls kissing, but it's what happened next that sparked a surveillance debate. With Warren County schools having surveillance cameras not only in the high schools but in the middle school and elementary schools as well, you'll want to read on because reporter Keith Eldridge's brings you the story that asks the question: When does Big Brother surveillance cross the line?

The dean of students said he saw two girls kissing. He checked the surveillance tape then shared what he saw with the parents of one of the girls. They then pulled her out of school, which then pulled the peninsula school district into a big controversy.
The big problem with police states is "who watches the watchers?" I'm not arguing against security for our children in schools, but when it is re-adjusted to be used for personal reasons or to push a homophobic or religious agenda, it can be frightening. Germany used to send un-edited pictures of speeders when issuing speeding tickets by mail until too many people were busted cheating on their spouses, so now they blur out the passenger side of the car.

So tell me, is this just a fluke, or can we expect the religious right to take control of the surveillence from now on with some horrible results? I know that the Bush administration doesn't seem to grasp the concept of "ethical restraint" or even "constitutional restraint" of monitoring programs. Should we maybe start looking at ways to reign this kind of thing in, instead of loosening the laws so anything goes in the name of security?

Holy lesbians, Batman! That dastardly Bush has been using his evil PATRIOT powers to spy on poor innocent lesbians!

What are we (or the government) supposed to do? This is just some local issue with the school, not some national issue. Now I suppose you could argue that this is stemming out of the alleged "surveillance culture" that people accuse Bush of creating, but whatever the case may be, the school board should decide about whether appropriate action was taken.

2007-04-30 14:41:56

#22

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6893|The Land of Scott Walker

GorillaTicTacs wrote:
So tell me, is this just a fluke, or can we expect the religious right to take control of the surveillence from now on with some horrible results? I know that the Bush administration doesn't seem to grasp the concept of "ethical restraint" or even "constitutional restraint" of monitoring programs. Should we maybe start looking at ways to reign this kind of thing in, instead of loosening the laws so anything goes in the name of security?

Do I get a shift on the cameras since I'm part of the "religious right"? I'll keep my Bible handy so I can whack any lesbians I find making out. These threads just get better and better.

2007-04-30 14:46:52

#23

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7097

Stingray24 wrote:
GorillaTicTacs wrote:
So tell me, is this just a fluke, or can we expect the religious right to take control of the surveillence from now on with some horrible results? I know that the Bush administration doesn't seem to grasp the concept of "ethical restraint" or even "constitutional restraint" of monitoring programs. Should we maybe start looking at ways to reign this kind of thing in, instead of loosening the laws so anything goes in the name of security?
Do I get a shift on the cameras since I'm part of the "religious right"? I'll keep my Bible handy so I can whack any lesbians I find making out. These threads just get better and better.

I have a feeling you'd be doing a different kind of 'whacking'...

2007-04-30 14:46:53

#24

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6998|CH/BR - in UK

As has been mentioned before: They're lesbians, so what? Does that mean you go tell their parents? I guess this just reinforces the stereotype of over-controlled parenting in the USA.
Face it, you can't control everything that will happen to your child or their sexual preferences. Some parents can understand that there are phases kids go through - whether this was a phase or not, I still think they should not have intervened - they can live their own lives, ffs.
I don't know who I'm more annoyed at - the dean or the parents.

-konfusion

2007-04-30 15:12:45

#25

RedTwizzler: I do it for the lulz.; +124|6985|Chicago

Braddock wrote:
Likewise the patriot act is just another example of too much power being given to the powers that be. Britain has a similar issue at the moment, Britain has more surveillance cameras than America! It is the most surveilled country in the world. The Government is supposed to work for us, not to control us, when are people ever going to fully realise that?

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