Just shoot the girl and have done with it.
If she was foolish enough to get pregnant, she should follow through with her mistake. She made her bed and she should lay in it. I'm sick of these little girls who think that they can run around and do whoever they want and if something happens then its just a quick trip to the hospital, its pathetic and immoral.
and pleading suicide in front of the high court isn't gonna get her any respect, though it may get her hospitalized.
This is just my opinion for this case. Rape and incest is a diff. story IMHO.
and pleading suicide in front of the high court isn't gonna get her any respect, though it may get her hospitalized.
This is just my opinion for this case. Rape and incest is a diff. story IMHO.
did you actually read it, she is wanting to have the abortion because the child will die at or soon after birth.Bonesaw wrote:
If she was foolish enough to get pregnant, she should follow through with her mistake. She made her bed and she should lay in it. I'm sick of these little girls who think that they can run around and do whoever they want and if something happens then its just a quick trip to the hospital, its pathetic and immoral.
and pleading suicide in front of the high court isn't gonna get her any respect, though it may get her hospitalized.
This is just my opinion for this case. Rape and incest is a diff. story IMHO.
I'm more lenient when it comes to abortion in matters of mercy killing, in the manner which sergeants historically conducted their mortally wounded to easier deaths.
I like to think women are a little more intelligent than that. Of course some abortions are because of "accidents" but most women are too concerned about STDs not to use protection.Bonesaw wrote:
If she was foolish enough to get pregnant, she should follow through with her mistake. She made her bed and she should lay in it. I'm sick of these little girls who think that they can run around and do whoever they want and if something happens then its just a quick trip to the hospital, its pathetic and immoral.
and pleading suicide in front of the high court isn't gonna get her any respect, though it may get her hospitalized.
This is just my opinion for this case. Rape and incest is a diff. story IMHO.
As for it being immoral, I don't see why it's any less immoral than tampons or condoms. They both kill reproductive organisms. I can't remeber anything from before I was 3, let alone when I was a vaguely fertalised egg. Of course there should be a point (like 4 months) where to draw the line but you can't say a fertalised egg is any more "alive" than a sperm and an egg.
Totally against abortion. How can killing a living human fetus be considered a right? WTF?
And that's the key word. You've added "living human" to personify it, so I will ask.....rawls2 wrote:
Totally against abortion. How can killing a living human fetus be considered a right? WTF?
How can killing millions of living human sperms when you have a wank be considered right?
How can killing a living human egg every month when a woman's on rag week be considered right?
P.S. Is the answer to your sig, the new chocolate flavoured Aqua Fresh toothpaste?
Last edited by =OBS= EstebanRey (2007-05-01 11:01:43)
I don't see what the problem is with abortion. No woman sleeps with a guy and doesn't use contraception because she knows she can get an abortion. Give them some fucking credit, it's not a pleasant experience and most wouldn't be there if they didn't have to. To the ones who perhaps did think this might be a good idea, they're obviously not in the right social environment to be raising a child in the first place.
On another note, if my 12 year old daughter (hypothetically speaking - I don't actually have kids) was raped by some fucked up paedophile which resulted in pregnancy, who the hell are the government to make the decision that would affect/destroy our lives!? Imagine raising a child and having to tell him his/her dad was a rapist and the reason his/her mum was still partying was because she was only 12 when it happened!!
Abortion, like it or not, should absolutely remain as an option to such people and the government should stay well clear of it.
On another note, if my 12 year old daughter (hypothetically speaking - I don't actually have kids) was raped by some fucked up paedophile which resulted in pregnancy, who the hell are the government to make the decision that would affect/destroy our lives!? Imagine raising a child and having to tell him his/her dad was a rapist and the reason his/her mum was still partying was because she was only 12 when it happened!!
Abortion, like it or not, should absolutely remain as an option to such people and the government should stay well clear of it.
Sperm and eggs are not human beings. They are part of humans, as much as your toenails are.=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
And that's the key word. You've added "living human" to personify it, so I will ask.....rawls2 wrote:
Totally against abortion. How can killing a living human fetus be considered a right? WTF?
How can killing millions of living human sperms when you have a wank be considered right?
How can killing a living human egg every month when a woman's on rag week be considered right?
P.S. Is the answer to your sig, the new chocolate flavoured Aqua Fresh toothpaste?
I agree with rawls, how can that be a right? What about the rights of the child? If a mother kills her child after it is born, she will be thrown in prison and called a monster by most of you. But if the baby is still inside her, its ok?
BTW, there are cases when abortion should be an option, like when the mother's life is in danger. In the case of this girl, I'm still divided. Gona see some more arguments before taking a decision.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Wait, is it illegal in America to have an abortion?
To me an egg is as much human as a fertalised egg is. You're not a human until you are born, until then you are a fetus.EVieira wrote:
Sperm and eggs are not human beings. They are part of humans, as much as your toenails are.
I agree with rawls, how can that be a right? What about the rights of the child? If a mother kills her child after it is born, she will be thrown in prison and called a monster by most of you. But if the baby is still inside her, its ok?
BTW, there are cases when abortion should be an option, like when the mother's life is in danger. In the case of this girl, I'm still divided. Gona see some more arguments before taking a decision.
Of course I'm not saying abortions up to birth, but do you think a 2 month old blob has any mental capacity or feelings?
lol - I was thinking about the wank thing too, EstebanRey.
Yeah - they're fetuses - you will not know what's going on around you at that age. I am furthermore for Euthenesia for people who are either no longer conscious or are trapped inside their bodies with no means to communicate.
-konfusion
Yeah - they're fetuses - you will not know what's going on around you at that age. I am furthermore for Euthenesia for people who are either no longer conscious or are trapped inside their bodies with no means to communicate.
-konfusion
a) Other key words being "infant," "toddler," "child," "teenager" and "adult." But tell me, is it reasonable for a man to be charged with double homicide for killing a pregnant woman?=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
a) And that's the key word. You've added "living human" to personify it, so I will ask.....rawls2 wrote:
Totally against abortion. How can killing a living human fetus be considered a right? WTF?
b) How can killing millions of living human sperms when you have a wank be considered right?
c) How can killing a living human egg every month when a woman's on rag week be considered right?
P.S. Is the answer to your sig, the new chocolate flavoured Aqua Fresh toothpaste?
b) Note that many of those who are against abortion also loath wanking.
c) That can't be helped. Abortion and wanking can.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-05-01 11:33:55)
Abortions on demand is murderous bullshit.
However, not allowing abortions in cases like this is just as ridiculous. Narrow-sighted Legislation that does not allow for such circumstances will be overturned and will eventually lead to abortion on demand.
In Ireland, are abortions allowed if the mother's life is in danger?
However, not allowing abortions in cases like this is just as ridiculous. Narrow-sighted Legislation that does not allow for such circumstances will be overturned and will eventually lead to abortion on demand.
In Ireland, are abortions allowed if the mother's life is in danger?
In that case you need to study a little biology. Eggs and sperm don't even have a complete set of DNA.=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
To me an egg is as much human as a fertalised egg is.EVieira wrote:
Sperm and eggs are not human beings. They are part of humans, as much as your toenails are.
I agree with rawls, how can that be a right? What about the rights of the child? If a mother kills her child after it is born, she will be thrown in prison and called a monster by most of you. But if the baby is still inside her, its ok?
BTW, there are cases when abortion should be an option, like when the mother's life is in danger. In the case of this girl, I'm still divided. Gona see some more arguments before taking a decision.
Its not a question of feelings, its a question of rights. Its not because you can feel that you have a right to live. Is it ok to kill a mindless brain-dead deep-comma adult? No, you'd still go to jail.=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
You're not a human until you are born, until then you are a fetus.
Of course I'm not saying abortions up to birth, but do you think a 2 month old blob has any mental capacity or feelings?
That is the center of the abortion debate. When does one have rights? A perfect, full grow baby, but yet unborn, can be killed by its mother? If its only two months in gestation, is it ok? When then?
And why do so many people think its ok to have abortions in rape cases? The baby is the most inocent part of the crime, why must it pay with its life? The mother can give it to adoption if it dosen't want to raise it.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Yeah. We have abortion on demand here. Most of the time you can get it done for free, and no one will ever know.jord wrote:
Wait, is it illegal in America to have an abortion?
You can get away with most forms of murder here, but most cases are much more expensive.
Murder. Riiiiiiiiiight.weamo8 wrote:
Yeah. We have abortion on demand here. Most of the time you can get it done for free, and no one will ever know.jord wrote:
Wait, is it illegal in America to have an abortion?
You can get away with most forms of murder here, but most cases are much more expensive.
How about no? Unless you are a woman, I think you should shut the hell up, In fact, I think women should be the only ones condemning this, if anyone.
It's their decision as it's their child and their life comes before that of a 4-week-fetus - a being that has a much lower survival rate than the woman and has no consciousness whatsoever.
-konfusion
You and I know some very different people. I know girls who do this sort of thing constantly. No they don't like HAVING the abortion but it doesn't teach them anything. They go right back out and get knocked up again, and guess what? Hospital time!RicardoBlanco wrote:
I don't see what the problem is with abortion. No woman sleeps with a guy and doesn't use contraception because she knows she can get an abortion. Give them some fucking credit, it's not a pleasant experience and most wouldn't be there if they didn't have to. To the ones who perhaps did think this might be a good idea, they're obviously not in the right social environment to be raising a child in the first place.
On another note, if my 12 year old daughter (hypothetically speaking - I don't actually have kids) was raped by some fucked up paedophile which resulted in pregnancy, who the hell are the government to make the decision that would affect/destroy our lives!? Imagine raising a child and having to tell him his/her dad was a rapist and the reason his/her mum was still partying was because she was only 12 when it happened!!
Abortion, like it or not, should absolutely remain as an option to such people and the government should stay well clear of it.
This isn't about a rape case, and I totally would support "your 12 y/o daughter" getting an abortion if she was raped, thats totally different. No 12 year old should have to go through that. But we're not talking about a 12 y/o we're talking about a high school aged young woman. She's old enough to face the consequences of her actions.
This girl wants to have an abortion because she doesn't want to have the kid because it's gonna die anyway. Thousands of babys are stillborn or die soon after every year, what makes her so special?
Last edited by Bonesaw (2007-05-01 11:55:39)
Nothing. I think that any person who knows their baby is going to be stillborn should have an abortion. You don't have to go through pregnancy, so you shouldn't be one talking about responsibility and that crap. If guys like you who think it's all the girl's fault would use better protection, it would never happen. Ever thought about that?Bonesaw wrote:
This girl wants to have an abortion because she doesn't want to have the kid because it's gonna die anyway. Thousands of babys are stillborn or die soon after every year, what makes her so special?
I don't know if you would want to go through pregnancy, knowing that it would be for nothing anyway.
-konfusion
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Guys like me....konfusion wrote:
Nothing. I think that any person who knows their baby is going to be stillborn should have an abortion. You don't have to go through pregnancy, so you shouldn't be one talking about responsibility and that crap. If guys like you who think it's all the girl's fault would use better protection, it would never happen. Ever thought about that?Bonesaw wrote:
This girl wants to have an abortion because she doesn't want to have the kid because it's gonna die anyway. Thousands of babys are stillborn or die soon after every year, what makes her so special?
I don't know if you would want to go through pregnancy, knowing that it would be for nothing anyway.
-konfusion
Ok, I do not think its all the girl's fault, thats just stupid. I am just speaking from my experiences with the abortion topic, and like I said in my previous post, I know girls who do this constantly. I'm not speaking like I know everything, I am just speaking from personal experience. It takes two to tango and both people are equally responsible for the pregnancy. But when the girl gets that one aborted and goes and sleeps with a different guy and gets knocked up more than a few times, I believe that that changes the situation. The girl has learned nothing from her experiences with abortion and doesn't need to have them anymore. And yes on that topic I will preach responsibility because its direly needed.
Also I know girls who get pregnant and give the baby up for adoption, there's nothing wrong with that. I just really think that people should explore other options before snuffing out a life.
So lets outlaw liposuction, because people don't learn from it. Lets outlaw hospitals in general, because people are still having stupid accidents and are getting hurt. Lets outlaw schools, because some people are still as ignorant as before when they did it.
See where I'm going with this?
-konfusion
See where I'm going with this?
-konfusion
Just because she's not learnt her lesson doesn't mean she has to go through a shit time and alot of pain to lose it, what's the point of that?Bonesaw wrote:
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Guys like me....konfusion wrote:
Nothing. I think that any person who knows their baby is going to be stillborn should have an abortion. You don't have to go through pregnancy, so you shouldn't be one talking about responsibility and that crap. If guys like you who think it's all the girl's fault would use better protection, it would never happen. Ever thought about that?Bonesaw wrote:
This girl wants to have an abortion because she doesn't want to have the kid because it's gonna die anyway. Thousands of babys are stillborn or die soon after every year, what makes her so special?
I don't know if you would want to go through pregnancy, knowing that it would be for nothing anyway.
-konfusion
Ok, I do not think its all the girl's fault, thats just stupid. I am just speaking from my experiences with the abortion topic, and like I said in my previous post, I know girls who do this constantly. I'm not speaking like I know everything, I am just speaking from personal experience. It takes two to tango and both people are equally responsible for the pregnancy. But when the girl gets that one aborted and goes and sleeps with a different guy and gets knocked up more than a few times, I believe that that changes the situation. The girl has learned nothing from her experiences with abortion and doesn't need to have them anymore. And yes on that topic I will preach responsibility because its direly needed.
Also I know girls who get pregnant and give the baby up for adoption, there's nothing wrong with that. I just really think that people should explore other options before snuffing out a life.
Last edited by jord (2007-05-01 12:39:47)
no because your not extinguishing human life when you get fat sucked out or arn't good at that there bookreadin....konfusion wrote:
So lets outlaw liposuction, because people don't learn from it. Lets outlaw hospitals in general, because people are still having stupid accidents and are getting hurt. Lets outlaw schools, because some people are still as ignorant as before when they did it.
See where I'm going with this?
-konfusion
That wasn't the point you were making. You were making the point that she isn't learning from her mistakes. I have pointed out with my argument that you aren't making a very strong point. If you wish to discuss life, I don't think any fetus below 5 months is "alive" - I think it's still part of the woman, and therefore, she has to decide what to do with it.Bonesaw wrote:
no because your not extinguishing human life when you get fat sucked out or arn't good at that there bookreadin....konfusion wrote:
So lets outlaw liposuction, because people don't learn from it. Lets outlaw hospitals in general, because people are still having stupid accidents and are getting hurt. Lets outlaw schools, because some people are still as ignorant as before when they did it.
See where I'm going with this?
-konfusion
-konfusion
Just because she's not learn her lesson doesn't mean she has to go through a shit time and alot of pain to lose it, what's the point of that?
------The point is classical conditioning. If you do something wrong, and you go through a "shit time" you're less likely to make that mistake again. Sorry to sound so cold on this but it makes sense. Ah well I'm done with this topic, I've had enough arguing for one day! You've all made very good counterpoints and are good debaters bravo!
------The point is classical conditioning. If you do something wrong, and you go through a "shit time" you're less likely to make that mistake again. Sorry to sound so cold on this but it makes sense. Ah well I'm done with this topic, I've had enough arguing for one day! You've all made very good counterpoints and are good debaters bravo!