Russia pushing it's limits

2007-05-02 14:07:19

#1

Gawwad: My way or Haddaway!; +212|7134|Espoo, Finland

"Russia has condemned as blasphemous the removal by Estonian authorities of a contentious Red Army war memorial."

"Mr Lavrov said Russia would "take serious steps" following the removal"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6599937.stm

I think what Russia is doing is outrageous. They even demanded the Estonian goverment to resign.

Thoughts?

2007-05-02 14:09:41

#2

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7099

Meh, they can bitch all they want about it, doesn't bother me. It's when they start doing something I get worried.

2007-05-02 14:11:52

#3

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7005

Russia can go fuck itself.

2007-05-02 14:14:28

#4

Teebaggs1: X-LG Member; +25|7199|Maine, MA, and PJ concerts

CameronPoe wrote:
Russia can go fuck itself.

I agree with Cam on this 1.

2007-05-02 14:34:43

#5

Rickard.Jarl-: Member; +7|6668|Sweden, Norrbotten, Luleå.

It is so wrong that the estonians (sp?) has removed that war monument. All estonians would have been in camps and dead if no soviet pushed back the germans. It is like we would take a bulldozer and destroy all military graves i the US/France etc
Show some respect, even if the soviet did some bad things.
In this, i agree with the russians, get that monument back.

2007-05-02 14:35:05

#6

Gawwad: My way or Haddaway!; +212|7134|Espoo, Finland

assau1t wrote:
Teebaggs1 wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
Russia can go fuck itself.
I agree with Cam on this 1.
You both can go blow each other in turns, fking nerds

Are you saying that you support what the Duma is doing ATM?

2007-05-02 14:39:42

#7

Gawwad: My way or Haddaway!; +212|7134|Espoo, Finland

Rickard.Jarl- wrote:
It is so wrong that the estonians (sp?) has removed that war monument. All estonians would have been in camps and dead if no soviet pushed back the germans. It is like we would take a bulldozer and destroy all military graves i the US/France etc
Show some respect, even if the soviet did some bad things.
In this, i agree with the russians, get that monument back.

To the Estonian people the statue was only a reminder of the soviet opression after WW2.
I don't think I would like to have a statue representing the occupation of my nation in my country after becoming independent after years of being a part of the Soviet Union.

Besides, as far as I know, Estonia is infact an independent country and they can do what ever they want inside their borders. I don't know how you can justify the demands to make their goverment resign for moving a statue.

2007-05-02 14:48:54

#8

Rickard.Jarl-: Member; +7|6668|Sweden, Norrbotten, Luleå.

I dont want their goverment to resign, im just telling what i think.
Just move back the statue, this seems to become a Biiiiiiiig thing in eastern europe, i dont want it to esculate into somekind of embargo/civil war between the russians and the estonians in estonia.
A statue can mean diffrent things for each nation and becuase the rus has dead soldiers under the statue i think that it is rude to digg em up. (not 100% sure that there is corpses below, but i think so)

Good Night.

2007-05-02 14:50:14

#9

XanKrieger: iLurk; +60|7107|South West England

ghettoperson wrote:
Meh, they can bitch all they want about it, doesn't bother me. It's when they start doing something I get worried.

Pretty much same opinon as me on this, qfe

2007-05-02 14:50:35

#10

Lucien: Fantasma Parastasie; +1,451|7102

It's none of the Russians business.

2007-05-02 14:51:52

#11

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7005

SargeV1.4 wrote:
It's none of the Russians business.

QFE

Estonian/EU affair. Russia: none of your business. Monument is being moved, not destroyed; bodies are being reburied somewhere else once disinterred - no big deal.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-02 14:52:39)

2007-05-02 14:54:43

#12

mcgid1: Meh...; +129|7166|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX

That's great, the people didn't like the Russians when they were in control of Estonia, and they don't like the RUssians now, so don't expect them to honor the Russian troops who occupied their counrty.

2007-05-02 14:56:59

#13

Rickard.Jarl-: Member; +7|6668|Sweden, Norrbotten, Luleå.

mcgid1 wrote:
That's great, the people didn't like the Russians when they were in control of Estonia, and they don't like the RUssians now, so don't expect them to honor the Russian troops who occupied their counrty.

Those troops which also gave their lives to push out the nazis.

2007-05-02 14:59:00

#14

CaptainMike: It's just a flesh wound; +45|7094|Canada

I don't really have a problem with Russia voicing its opinion on the matter. Whether they choose to act on their decisions would be another matter.
Would it be less of a difference if a country like France or Germany decided to remove war momuments or cemeteries that were placed in honor of the Allied forces? It would be seen as an insult to those who fought and died there.

Just a thought, don't flame.

2007-05-02 15:04:57

#15

Magpie: international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom; +257|6976|Milkystania, yurop

What has Russia done today

1. Not making sure that the Estonian ambassador was protected when she had a pressconferense instead her bodyguards used pepper spray to defend her.

2. Outside the Estonian embassy a swedish embassy car was attacked and the attackers kicked the car broke a side mirror and destroyed the flagg on the car.

3. Russia decides to stop sending coal and oil to Estonia

wonder what will happend tomorrow geez if u want to make astatement just declare them persona non

2007-05-02 15:07:58

#16

assau1t: Member; +12|7153|sector a-35

Gawwad wrote:
assau1t wrote:
Teebaggs1 wrote:
I agree with Cam on this 1.
You both can go blow each other in turns, fking nerds
Are you saying that you support what the Duma is doing ATM?

It has nothing to do with duma. It was an insult to which i replied the same way. Just gave you the taste of your own sh*t.

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2007-05-02 15:08:52

#17

krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|7229|Great Brown North

CaptainMike wrote:
I don't really have a problem with Russia voicing its opinion on the matter. Whether they choose to act on their decisions would be another matter.
Would it be less of a difference if a country like France or Germany decided to remove war momuments or cemeteries that were placed in honor of the Allied forces? It would be seen as an insult to those who fought and died there.

Just a thought, don't flame.

i think the difference here is we gave them back their country after the war, and didnt occupy it

besides, they're only moving it, not destroying it.

2007-05-02 15:11:12

#18

mcgid1: Meh...; +129|7166|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX

Rickard.Jarl- wrote:
mcgid1 wrote:
That's great, the people didn't like the Russians when they were in control of Estonia, and they don't like the Russians now, so don't expect them to honor the Russian troops who occupied their counrty.
Those troops which also gave their lives to push out the nazis.

I understand that, but it's also important to note that Estonia was behind the iron curtain during the Cold War, and was exploited like most of Russia's other puppet nations. Because of that, the Estonians probably don't see the Russian dead a liberators as much as members of an occupation force. Personally I think the dead that drove out the Nazis should be honored, but I also understand that the Russians probably did more harm than good after they drove the Nazis out. (For clarification: Driving out the Nazis=Good thing, Russians remaining in place after the end of WWII=Not such a good thing)

2007-05-02 15:45:12

#19

BVC: Member; +325|7145

Did everybody miss the part where they said they were moving the statue to a cemetary? It'll still be there to honour the dead, just at a different place.

And look at this tidbit:
1940: Forcibly incorporated into Soviet Union
Saying the russians gave their lives to defend estonia seems rather weak. Howbout "gave their lives to defend mother russia's conquest" instead?

2007-05-02 16:56:31

#20

Skorpy-chan: Member; +127|6794|Twyford, UK

I say they're both perfectly jutified here, but I side with Estonia, because Russia has historically been imperialistic. I mean, Poland was created just to try and keep them out of Germany.
And yes, I know I'm being hypocritical, but the british empire is a trade empire, not one of conquest. That's why we still HAVE one. Well, sorta, anyway. We have a bunch of outlying places and the commonwealth, but it's still nice to have it. Particularly since Europe and America are jealous of it.

2007-05-02 17:51:48

#21

ghostgr: 177th Field Artillery; +39|7191|In your head

The removal of the statue is highly disgraceful. What they don't like the sacrafice my brothers in arms did during the Great Patriotic War? Russia has the right to make them put the memorial back up even if it was about the Red Army and the oppression that it reminds them of. There was boys yes boys of about 15-19 that died in the war, they sacrificed their lives to defend their country and this is how the Estonian government repays their sacrifice? I spit on the Estonian government. Yes Soviet oppressed them but it was after the war, there own sons died for their country! If it where up to me I would place that memorial back and make it even better. So anyone from estonia here that is siding with their government I spit on you and laugh in your face you dogs.

2007-05-02 17:56:27

#22

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7011

Gawwad wrote:
Besides, as far as I know, Estonia is infact an independent country and they can do what ever they want inside their borders. I don't know how you can justify the demands to make their goverment resign for moving a statue.

That's stupid logic. The whole point of diplomatic pressure is to make someone do what you what, in this case re-instate a statue.

2007-05-02 18:01:25

#23

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7011

CameronPoe wrote:
SargeV1.4 wrote:
It's none of the Russians business.
QFE

Estonian/EU affair. Russia: none of your business. Monument is being moved, not destroyed; bodies are being reburied somewhere else once disinterred - no big deal.

Yes, it's none of Russia's concern whether what they do to a memorial for Russian soldiers....................

Turkey consult with Australia every time they want to do something at Anzac Cove.

Also, I see nothing about moving bodies.

Pubic wrote:
Did everybody miss the part where they said they were moving the statue to a cemetary? It'll still be there to honour the dead, just at a different place.

Did you miss the part where they talked about bodies buried nearby?

2007-05-02 18:03:54

#24

maffiaw: ph33r me 傻逼; +40|6870|Melbourne, AUS

I wonder how many of you will feel if the allied memorials in France were suddenly 'moved'.
Try to be empathetic here. Up to 50,000 Soviet troops died in that region in order to liberate them from the Nazis - they should not be disrespected like that.

2007-05-02 18:04:20

#25

Major_Spittle: Banned; +276|7104|United States of America

Teebaggs1 wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
Russia can go fuck itself.
I agree with Cam on this 1.

I agree with these nerds on this one and would just like to point out that this is a statue of a SOVIET SOLDIER and all soviet soldiers are most certainly burning in hell if their is one.

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assau1t wrote:

Teebaggs1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Rickard.Jarl- wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

SargeV1.4 wrote:

mcgid1 wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

assau1t wrote:

Teebaggs1 wrote:

CaptainMike wrote:

Rickard.Jarl- wrote:

mcgid1 wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

SargeV1.4 wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Teebaggs1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

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