racist and stereotyping about race

2007-05-02 16:04:22

#1

TeamOrange: Don't be that guy; +84|6759

well i was talking to my friend at a track meet, when the 100m race came up he said, "i bet that kid will win.... the big black one" I told him that is being racist. He said no I am stereotyping about race, IMO that was the same thing. Well we decided to ask some other kids on the team, they all replied that is stereotyping about race. Now in my school we have about 5 kids who are black out of 1000, so most of them are racially insensitive (we have had many conversations on the team) but am I making an issue out something that shouldn't be an issue?

post your opinions here

Edit: I think this is some what getting off track what i was trying to ask, you can tell by the title, is being racist and making a stereotyping about race, are they the same thing. That was my main question, the side question was do you think he said was racist or not.

Last edited by teamorange (2007-05-03 18:36:46)

2007-05-02 16:10:54

#2

krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|7228|Great Brown North

isnt assuming someone is better and sports because they're black racial profiling and therefore racist?

silly thing to do really, i know plenty of blacks (no, they're not african american, fuck you) who suck ass at sports... even more then me, which is saying something!

2007-05-02 16:36:37

#3

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6977|Global Command

Whats the percentage of sports professionals ( basketball/football ) that are black?
Seems like about 80%
That says something, doesn't it.

2007-05-02 16:48:22

#4

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7205|Argentina

It's stereotyping, not racist. They are kinda 10% of the population and as ATG said they are a lot more than 10% in professional sports.

2007-05-02 16:52:53

#5

lavadisk: I am a cat ¦ 3; +369|7278|Denver colorado

I donno. I think that people now a days in this country are going out of their way to try and not seem racist. I'm going to japan as an exchange student soon (hopefully) and from what I've read I might be 'discriminated' the same way that your friend did to that black athlete.

2007-05-02 17:23:29

#6

Bonesaw: Member; +8|7067

lavadisk wrote:
I donno. I think that people now a days in this country are going out of their way to try and not seem racist. I'm going to japan as an exchange student soon (hopefully) and from what I've read I might be 'discriminated' the same way that your friend did to that black athlete.

yeah I agree, we live in a country that cares too much about being PC.

And honestly it's not like your friend said that the black person could run the fastest because he's used to running from police. That would have been racist. I don't think what he said was offensive at all.

2007-05-02 17:38:13

#7

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6975|Portland, OR USA

in the strictest definition of the term, yes it was racist. However, racism has a strong stigma attached to it which has a decidedly negative aftertaste. The real question shouldn't be is this or is this not racism but is racism always bad.

2007-05-02 17:42:01

#8

Schwarzelungen: drunklenglungen; +133|6744|Bloomington Indiana

yes, racism is always bad. racism is the prejudice of another group based on difference in skin color or national origin.

thats not good. it only fuels ignorance and hate.
Realizing differences and respecting them is not racism...

2007-05-02 17:43:23

#9

lavadisk: I am a cat ¦ 3; +369|7278|Denver colorado

Schwarzelungen wrote:
yes, racism is always bad. racism is the prejudice of another group based on difference in skin color or national origin.

thats not good. it only fuels ignorance and hate.
Realizing differences and respecting them is not racism...

Yes. You need more karma.

Edit: You know, all my friends are racist. They aren't KKK racist but they always throw around mexican/blacks/sexist jokes. It's really hard to not be racist when everyone around is.

Last edited by lavadisk (2007-05-02 17:44:59)

2007-05-02 17:44:26

#10

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6975|Portland, OR USA

Schwarzelungen wrote:
yes, racism is always bad. racism is the prejudice of another group based on difference in skin color or national origin.

thats not good. it only fuels ignorance and hate.
Realizing differences and respecting them is not racism...

define racism ... and don't regurgitate some lame ass dictionary.com or wikipedia quote ... actually think for yourself

2007-05-02 17:45:15

#11

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7210

There is a BIG difference. If he said "I bet that ni**er wins," that would be racist. I mean, if I look at a really big fat person, it would be safe to say he/she could eat more than me. Stereotype yes. Probability of truth...high.

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2007-05-02 17:45:29)

2007-05-02 17:46:17

#12

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6975|Portland, OR USA

usmarine2005 wrote:
There is a BIG difference. If he said "I bet that ni**er wins," that would be racist. I mean, if I look at a really big fat person, it would be safe to say he/she could eat more than me. Stereotype yes. Probability of truth...high.

alright, but why is that racist, because he said the black guy would win, or because he said the word ni**er?

2007-05-02 17:47:37

#13

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7210

PuckMercury wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
There is a BIG difference. If he said "I bet that ni**er wins," that would be racist. I mean, if I look at a really big fat person, it would be safe to say he/she could eat more than me. Stereotype yes. Probability of truth...high.
alright, but why is that racist, because he said the black guy would win, or because he said the word ni**er?

Too much of a grey area to come right out and call it racist, since it is thrown around on a daily basis. But, we all know what world we live in.

2007-05-02 17:47:55

#14

CommieChipmunk: Member; +488|7018|Portland, OR, USA

I'm not racist, racism is a crime. And crime's for black people.

Just kidding. There's a difference between being racist and being truthful. Quite honestly, when you look at modern sports, they're pretty much dominated by black people. It's the truth, when you start being too cautious then it's reverse racism and the same thing. That's why political correctness is stupid..

2007-05-02 17:48:18

#15

Major_Spittle: Banned; +276|7103|United States of America

Well, weather the truth makes you happy or sad it is still the truth you nappy headed ho.

Fact is that the slave trade bread the negro to get the strongest workers. I am sure that black Americans tend to physically have a very strong gene pool.

Hell look at professional sports if you don't believe it, or are professional sports just racist against whites?

2007-05-02 17:48:25

#16

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6970|...

Schwarzelungen wrote:
yes, racism is always bad. racism is the prejudice of another group based on difference in skin color or national origin.

thats not good. it only fuels ignorance and hate.
Realizing differences and respecting them is not racism...

QFE

2007-05-02 17:48:36

#17

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6975|Portland, OR USA

well that's rather my point which is why I'm asking for a clear definition of "racist" before this can really continue. Otherwise we're all just pissing in the wind with our own opinion of what it might mean but more importantly what is associated with the term

2007-05-02 17:50:55

#18

Major_Spittle: Banned; +276|7103|United States of America

What does QFE mean????

2007-05-02 17:51:23

#19

Bonesaw: Member; +8|7067

yeah I agree. And you were black and your track team was black except for one white guy, and you said "hey I bet that white dude can't run for shit" for some reason that wouldn't be racist by todays standards. I refuse to be politically correct until they level the playing field and have rules for everyone.

2007-05-02 17:51:23

#20

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6975|Portland, OR USA

quoted for emphasis

2007-05-02 17:53:20

#21

Major_Spittle: Banned; +276|7103|United States of America

PuckMercury wrote:
quoted for emphasis

QFE

2007-05-02 17:54:37

#22

Bonesaw: Member; +8|7067

My personal definition of racism is: committing an act or saying something meant to deliberately attack or demoralize someone of another race than you. I don't think 3 white guys on a boat by themselves telling black jokes is racist. It may be inappropriate and juvenile, but if there's no one around to be offended by it, I don't think it counts as racism.

2007-05-02 17:56:30

#23

Schwarzelungen: drunklenglungen; +133|6744|Bloomington Indiana

PuckMercury wrote:
Schwarzelungen wrote:
yes, racism is always bad. racism is the prejudice of another group based on difference in skin color or national origin.

thats not good. it only fuels ignorance and hate.
Realizing differences and respecting them is not racism...
define racism ... and don't regurgitate some lame ass dictionary.com or wikipedia quote ... actually think for yourself

k, fair enough.

racism is the negative treatment of a group or individual based on a noticeable physical difference.
while racism and stereotpying often seem to be one in the same, subtle differences differentiate the two.
making a stereotype would be saying something like "white kids cant dance" or something like that. there is an assumption there, but no negative action is taken against the white kids because of this.

racism would be "all *insert race here* are lazy and do drugs/steal things" obviously here, a negative reaction will be taken when confronted by members of said group.

im not saying people arent different. there are differences to be noticed between groups, but that doesnt mean thats racism.
as i said earlier, knowing that there are cultural differences and being aware of them is not racism, its something that will help us to understand one another in the future.

2007-05-02 17:56:49

#24

lavadisk: I am a cat ¦ 3; +369|7278|Denver colorado

Alright, Racism is actual hate against somebody before you know them. No, not by the way they act ether. I hate gang members because of what they are. Not because they are of another race.

But stereotyping, by race and other factors. Is acceptable in certain cases. People are meant to think that sorta way. If 1 variable that stands out effects the scenario a certain way every time then its common sense that the variable could be the thing effecting it.

People now a days try to force them selfs to forget everything they have learned because they might be considered 'racist'

Heres an example: Tall people run faster than short people. Why? Cause most tall people have longer legs and bigger strides.

All the person was thinking when he said 'i bet that kid will win.... the big black one' is that black people usually are more muscular and (usually) are better at sports than white people.

Fair enough?

2007-05-02 17:57:30

#25

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6975|Portland, OR USA

Bonesaw wrote:
My personal definition of racism is: committing an act or saying something meant to deliberately attack or demoralize someone of another race than you. I don't think 3 white guys on a boat by themselves telling black jokes is racist. It may be inappropriate and juvenile, but if there's no one around to be offended by it, I don't think it counts as racism.

so if a tree falls in a forest and there's no one around to hear it ...

anyway, if THAT is your definition of racism, it's totally reactive. You have to commit an act and then have it evaluated by an arbitrary mass before it can be determined to be racist. That's what the FCC does actually ... but that's not really the point.

I think that any definition should be able to be applied before commission, so I therefore reject your definition.

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