the 6 barrel 20mm Vulcan gun was too large to fit on that dinky turret on the AH-1, that is the M-134 General Electric minigun, 7.62 i believe.The_Mac wrote:
To top it off here's a nice picture of an Army Cobra's turret:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5959/m28a1oh2.jpg
Thats a 6 barreled 20mm Gatling gun, with a grenade launcher.
I will fill in on ancient, truly ancient weapons:
Behold, the almighty rock!
The rocks were shaped for easy handling, and this gave the user more comfort when hurled at high speed or slammed against someone's head.
Defense mechanisms.
Here is a perfect example of a first-class boulder-trap mechanism. Fancifully named "star wars defense system," the boulder is positioned so that when levered, it plunges down the hill at a tremendous speed, providing a moving barrier to stop stones (see above) hurled upwards. It also has the ability to crush anything in its way and can pulverise other stones, leaving the enemy with powder and nothing else to throw.
Unfortunately, the example shown was positioned over 40 miles from enemy positions at the time, and was eventually used as a garden ornament for King Is'deek. When the garden was destroyed, the boulder could not be touched and remains today in the same place as it was originally found in.
Update:
The defense mechanism above no longer exists, as it was recently tested on modern weapons with the following result:
Behold, the almighty rock!
The rocks were shaped for easy handling, and this gave the user more comfort when hurled at high speed or slammed against someone's head.
Defense mechanisms.
Here is a perfect example of a first-class boulder-trap mechanism. Fancifully named "star wars defense system," the boulder is positioned so that when levered, it plunges down the hill at a tremendous speed, providing a moving barrier to stop stones (see above) hurled upwards. It also has the ability to crush anything in its way and can pulverise other stones, leaving the enemy with powder and nothing else to throw.
Unfortunately, the example shown was positioned over 40 miles from enemy positions at the time, and was eventually used as a garden ornament for King Is'deek. When the garden was destroyed, the boulder could not be touched and remains today in the same place as it was originally found in.
Update:
The defense mechanism above no longer exists, as it was recently tested on modern weapons with the following result:
blademaster wrote:
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great post. +1
holy shit where did you got this pic?blademaster wrote:
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j28/d … E/nuke.jpg
Irrelevant? The 'War in Iraq' is an ongoing part of human military history, and politics are hopelessly intertwined with conflict. I notice that most of your OP has to do with gear, which is really only one facet of the history you wish to discuss. While I agree that posts should be a more professional and dispassionate on that which you called out, you should keep it open to discussion about significant people and events. If you wish, tag a "nothing after 1980" disclaimer onto it.The_Mac wrote:
please refrain from posting that kind of political inspiring stuff, I don't disapprove, but I find it irrelevant to military history.Ryan wrote:
[Saddam Getting Hanged]
This happened in 2006. The bitch is fucking dead!
And I mean, if you guys want, contribute to the discussion (posting pics etc), and more 'nam stuff will be here in the morrow. I'm going to relax.
[edit: And FFS, why did this get moved to the junk drawer? Someone tries to post something besides "ZOMG ARABS THROW ROCKS AT ISRAEL" and it gets tossed into this pit of the lost?]
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Tsar Bomba - Biggest Nukulomatic bomb ever built. 50 Mega Tons. Not bad for repelling an Asteriod the size of say...London.
And I think those circles are for the actual fireball, not all the other destruction by winds/heat/generic power.
And I think those circles are for the actual fireball, not all the other destruction by winds/heat/generic power.
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the pilots that dropped the Tsar said they could feel the heat from i think it was 30-40,000 feet? they also had to get out fast or risk being tumbled about like a childs toy.Mekstizzle wrote:
Tsar Bomba - Biggest Nukulomatic bomb ever built. 50 Mega Tons. Not bad for repelling an Asteriod the size of say...London.
http://lufkindailymuse.com/wp-content/u … _bomba.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … es.svg.png
And I think those circles are for the actual fireball, not all the other destruction by winds/heat/generic power.
yeah, its a minigun. Vulcans would be way too heavy to fit on those things lol.seymorebutts443 wrote:
the 6 barrel 20mm Vulcan gun was too large to fit on that dinky turret on the AH-1, that is the M-134 General Electric minigun, 7.62 i believe.The_Mac wrote:
To top it off here's a nice picture of an Army Cobra's turret:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5959/m28a1oh2.jpg
Thats a 6 barreled 20mm Gatling gun, with a grenade launcher.
And thats why the Marines used the 3 barreled 20mm. More efficient and you their philosophy was that you didn't need that many bullets. Their AH-1J was just as effective.
I stand corrected.
I was thinking 20mm (in my defense ) because the AH-1J's 3 barrel is 20mm.
Fair enough man, you post what you want, and I definitely agree, politics are hopelessly part of military history, however, only recently were generals separate from Politicians. It is better that way, but not always so. So, thanks for contributing to the thread, regardless.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Irrelevant? The 'War in Iraq' is an ongoing part of human military history, and politics are hopelessly intertwined with conflict. I notice that most of your OP has to do with gear, which is really only one facet of the history you wish to discuss. While I agree that posts should be a more professional and dispassionate on that which you called out, you should keep it open to discussion about significant people and events. If you wish, tag a "nothing after 1980" disclaimer onto it.
[edit: And FFS, why did this get moved to the junk drawer? Someone tries to post something besides "ZOMG ARABS THROW ROCKS AT ISRAEL" and it gets tossed into this pit of the lost?]
As for this being moved, I can only guess a mod out there doesn't like me or something.
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Hey i used to think T-62 tank was a good tank, we all make mistakes.The_Mac wrote:
yeah, its a minigun. Vulcans would be way too heavy to fit on those things lol.seymorebutts443 wrote:
the 6 barrel 20mm Vulcan gun was too large to fit on that dinky turret on the AH-1, that is the M-134 General Electric minigun, 7.62 i believe.The_Mac wrote:
To top it off here's a nice picture of an Army Cobra's turret:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5959/m28a1oh2.jpg
Thats a 6 barreled 20mm Gatling gun, with a grenade launcher.
And thats why the Marines used the 3 barreled 20mm. More efficient and you their philosophy was that you didn't need that many bullets. Their AH-1J was just as effective.
I stand corrected.
I was thinking 20mm (in my defense ) because the AH-1J's 3 barrel is 20mm.
now for the cool shit
The IJN Yamato, the largest battleship ever commissioned. Wielding 9 46cm (18.1 Inch) guns and 190 AA batteries ranging from 12.7 cm to 25mm guns. She was 862 feet long and had a displacement of 72,800 tonnes fully loaded.
Her closest competitor BB wise was the US Iowa class battleships which had 9 40.6 cm guns (16") 20 5" AA guns, 80 40mm Bofors and 49 20mm AA guns during WW2. She was faster than Yamato but carried less powerful guns. This however did not matter since the US had far superior fire control systems, had these two behemoths gotten into a fight the Iowa would've won since it carried radar and had a better FCS.
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Non US Aircraft:
Coming up first is the latest Mig, rightly feared and respected by the United States. Its maneuverability, weapons systems are equal to that of any American pilot, as well as being faster than any aircraft now in service by the United States.
This aircraft is followed by the Su-27 Flanker. In the '70's Russia fell behind in air force technology than the US, but managed to level the playing field in the '80's with the Su-27 Flanker and the Mig-29 Fulcrum. Both are fighter bombers, but the Su-27 is especially a ground pounder and a bomber. It is equipped with 6 sparrows and sidewinders in case things go wrong.
Finally, the most feared modern aircraft, hot off the assembly line, the Su-37 Super Flanker. The speed and agility of this aircraft is unrivaled, and weapon systems are in fact slightly edgier than that of the United States. Pentagon officials and Israeli air marshals are hoping Russia will not sell this beast of an aircraft to the Palestinians or the Syrians, because if they do, Israel could very well lose air dominance in the middle east.
*Note all these aircraft with the exception to the Su-37 are available to all communists, including Vietnam, China, and Russia (Russia isn't communist anymore, but former communist state).
Coming up first is the latest Mig, rightly feared and respected by the United States. Its maneuverability, weapons systems are equal to that of any American pilot, as well as being faster than any aircraft now in service by the United States.
This aircraft is followed by the Su-27 Flanker. In the '70's Russia fell behind in air force technology than the US, but managed to level the playing field in the '80's with the Su-27 Flanker and the Mig-29 Fulcrum. Both are fighter bombers, but the Su-27 is especially a ground pounder and a bomber. It is equipped with 6 sparrows and sidewinders in case things go wrong.
Finally, the most feared modern aircraft, hot off the assembly line, the Su-37 Super Flanker. The speed and agility of this aircraft is unrivaled, and weapon systems are in fact slightly edgier than that of the United States. Pentagon officials and Israeli air marshals are hoping Russia will not sell this beast of an aircraft to the Palestinians or the Syrians, because if they do, Israel could very well lose air dominance in the middle east.
*Note all these aircraft with the exception to the Su-37 are available to all communists, including Vietnam, China, and Russia (Russia isn't communist anymore, but former communist state).
Cutting Edge Aircraft
One of Nato's most amazing pieces of military technology, the Euro Fighter Typhoon, primarily British, but going into service with some European countries as well, the Aircraft boasts heavy armament with agile and speedy performance. The Aircraft is naturally unstable, but this is why it is so manuverable. Fly by wire controls compensate for the instability of the aircraft.
Another interesting feature of this aircraft is that its gun is no longer the Vulcan or gatling gun, but a single 27mm Mauser BK2 Cannon. The missile armament includes Air to Air missiles, as well as Air to ground and bombs.
On the United States Spectrum, the V-22 Osprey is finally being deployed by at least one US Marine squadron. This aircraft has been grounded for a while, but re-testing and final pronouncement deemed this thing ready to go out in service. For now, the armament consists of a rear mounted m240 machine gunner with his gun primed to fire in hopes of suppressing ground attackers of the aircraft. In the future, concepts point to attaching a chin turret with a 3 barrel 20mm gatling gun with the capabilities of a cobra turret to further deter attackers. Because of the engines location on the wings, the authorities did not want to risk the gunmen shooting off the engines by accident.
The F-35
This aircraft will replace the F-16, F-15, A-10, and the F-18 from the Air Force, Marines and Navy by 2011. With its combination of laser pin pointing for busting tanks, its 6 barreled Vulcan cannon for helping to crack tanks, and its missiles for giving enemy dogfighters an extra sting, the F-35 will be a single engined Pratt & Whittney design. Using fly by wire controls, the aircraft is very maneuverable, and importantly, the engine can go at Mach 1 without lighting the afterburners, which is a tremendous feat and will help reduce heat signals protruding farther away. The F-35 will be utilizing for the first time in Aviation history on an aircraft besides the A-10, a 25mm Gau-12 Equalizer. If you'll note, the A-10's Gau 12 is what rips tanks up and out. With this gun in the F-35, it will be more able to crack tanks than originally thought by skeptics.
^^Thats the Gau-12 25mm.
One of Nato's most amazing pieces of military technology, the Euro Fighter Typhoon, primarily British, but going into service with some European countries as well, the Aircraft boasts heavy armament with agile and speedy performance. The Aircraft is naturally unstable, but this is why it is so manuverable. Fly by wire controls compensate for the instability of the aircraft.
Another interesting feature of this aircraft is that its gun is no longer the Vulcan or gatling gun, but a single 27mm Mauser BK2 Cannon. The missile armament includes Air to Air missiles, as well as Air to ground and bombs.
On the United States Spectrum, the V-22 Osprey is finally being deployed by at least one US Marine squadron. This aircraft has been grounded for a while, but re-testing and final pronouncement deemed this thing ready to go out in service. For now, the armament consists of a rear mounted m240 machine gunner with his gun primed to fire in hopes of suppressing ground attackers of the aircraft. In the future, concepts point to attaching a chin turret with a 3 barrel 20mm gatling gun with the capabilities of a cobra turret to further deter attackers. Because of the engines location on the wings, the authorities did not want to risk the gunmen shooting off the engines by accident.
The F-35
This aircraft will replace the F-16, F-15, A-10, and the F-18 from the Air Force, Marines and Navy by 2011. With its combination of laser pin pointing for busting tanks, its 6 barreled Vulcan cannon for helping to crack tanks, and its missiles for giving enemy dogfighters an extra sting, the F-35 will be a single engined Pratt & Whittney design. Using fly by wire controls, the aircraft is very maneuverable, and importantly, the engine can go at Mach 1 without lighting the afterburners, which is a tremendous feat and will help reduce heat signals protruding farther away. The F-35 will be utilizing for the first time in Aviation history on an aircraft besides the A-10, a 25mm Gau-12 Equalizer. If you'll note, the A-10's Gau 12 is what rips tanks up and out. With this gun in the F-35, it will be more able to crack tanks than originally thought by skeptics.
^^Thats the Gau-12 25mm.
I hope I can be a pilot one day.
Do you have a six pack? How about good stanima? Are you able to flex your throat, stomach and chest muscles at time for maybe a minute without dying? Can you go on the fastest, sharpest turning roller coaster and not black out? If so, the air force/Marine Aviation force will love you!
Now for the gun lovers out there.
I'll present for my first little debuting of how much I personally love guns, the guns that very few people know about, and we'll start with what inspired the XM8's modability system. The Stoner 63.
Engineered by Eugene Stoner, who used a cadillac and aircraft design system to produce his weapons, the system was designed for the trooper to get the maximum amount of firepower out at once, without loading himself over, which is one of the first of his projects he developed, which resulted in AR-15.
This new system he implemented was Stoner63, but words can't do it all justice, and lets look at some footage from Youtube.
Unfortunately, the Army and the Marine Corp found the M16 enough for their needs. Perhaps they were distrustful of Stoner's new guns, because it seemed to them that all his new stuff was a problem. What the problem was were a group of people in the Pentagon who were more bureaucrats than weapons masters and were unable to jump to the problem of the m16—it didn't have any chrome plates in the chamber to keep off the corrosion. The problem got fixed, but not as soon as it should have.
I'll present for my first little debuting of how much I personally love guns, the guns that very few people know about, and we'll start with what inspired the XM8's modability system. The Stoner 63.
Engineered by Eugene Stoner, who used a cadillac and aircraft design system to produce his weapons, the system was designed for the trooper to get the maximum amount of firepower out at once, without loading himself over, which is one of the first of his projects he developed, which resulted in AR-15.
This new system he implemented was Stoner63, but words can't do it all justice, and lets look at some footage from Youtube.
Unfortunately, the Army and the Marine Corp found the M16 enough for their needs. Perhaps they were distrustful of Stoner's new guns, because it seemed to them that all his new stuff was a problem. What the problem was were a group of people in the Pentagon who were more bureaucrats than weapons masters and were unable to jump to the problem of the m16—it didn't have any chrome plates in the chamber to keep off the corrosion. The problem got fixed, but not as soon as it should have.
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What do you mean by that? Do you mean thrust vectoring?The_Mac wrote:
F/A-22 has vectoring, which minimizes heat signals that sidewinders can lock on to.
Yes.Dauntless wrote:
What do you mean by that? Do you mean thrust vectoring?The_Mac wrote:
F/A-22 has vectoring, which minimizes heat signals that sidewinders can lock on to.
Su-27 is an air superiority fighter, not an "ground pounder and a bomber." The Su-34 Platypus (side-by-side cockpit and angular nose) is a bomber.
You make it sound like anyone can be a jet pilot!The_Mac wrote:
Do you have a six pack? How about good stanima? Are you able to flex your throat, stomach and chest muscles at time for maybe a minute without dying? Can you go on the fastest, sharpest turning roller coaster and not black out? If so, the air force/Marine Aviation force will love you!
M-2 Carbine was actually used in WW2, released in 1944. But the 30rd mag didn't come into use until Korea
the XXI German submarine. faster underwater than on the surface, fitted with a snorkel and a huge load out of forward firing torp's, truly a weapon ahead of the times. as usual.
panther tank. the ratio for engagement on one of these was a recommended 8 shermans to 1 panther. 5 for the sherman Firefly deployed by the brits.
king tiger. essentially a moving weapons platform for ambush and defence due to its horrendous fuel consumption and reliability
i think that the Nazis have the hope of winning WWII if they only concentrated on Panther Tanks and nothing else....Tiger and the King Tiger are just resource guzzlers
yep i agree the panther was the ideal solution however they didnt realise what made it so good so then tried to make "heavier" versions of a already very good tank.
Brit heavy tank, WW2 and until the 70's with some countrys. used in korea by the british. ~edit~ lol the name is the Comet
Brit heavy tank, WW2 and until the 70's with some countrys. used in korea by the british. ~edit~ lol the name is the Comet
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When 30% of America is Obese, I don't think anyone can join. But pretty much anyone does. And if they survive training, they become pilots.Mekstizzle wrote:
You make it sound like anyone can be a jet pilot!The_Mac wrote:
Do you have a six pack? How about good stanima? Are you able to flex your throat, stomach and chest muscles at time for maybe a minute without dying? Can you go on the fastest, sharpest turning roller coaster and not black out? If so, the air force/Marine Aviation force will love you!
Ah, thank you for the clarification, I accidentally was thanking of the Su-34 instead of the 27 lol.RAIMIUS wrote:
Su-27 is an air superiority fighter, not an "ground pounder and a bomber." The Su-34 Platypus (side-by-side cockpit and angular nose) is a bomber.
That's interesting, I had no idea the M-2 Carbine made it before WW2 ended. That was a full auto carbine. Problem was, and the Thompson had this too, its pistol ammunition could not penetrate all that well, for any carbine, and this was so in Korea, in the winter time when peeps were wearing all that clothing.SgtHeihn wrote:
M-2 Carbine was actually used in WW2, released in 1944. But the 30rd mag didn't come into use until Korea
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my professor (of military history) would actually describe this as military porn. military history would generally require a level of analysis rather than just "would you look at the guns on that!"