They actually did have more in common with the Franco side than with the Republicans oddly but decided to shack up with the Republicans. I don't see why them siding with the Republicans was a bad thing. At the start of the war the Republicans were the 'good guys' (although by the end of the war both sides were the 'bad guys')...Lost Hope wrote:
The grasp that I have against the Basques is that they sided with the Republicans during the Civil War only because they promised the independence to Euskadi (as they did with Catalunya), they would have sided with Franco if he promised them the same.
No what is funny is that im not imperialist, whats funny is i get over shit that happened hundreds of years ago. MOVE ON. People that cant move on just drag our entire race down. GET OVER IT! Living in the past serves no purpose, other than fucking up what we have now. If a country has been a country for more than even ONE generation there is no reason to split it up. Ties have been made, breaking them serves no purpose other than pleasing those that cant get over shit.CameronPoe wrote:
Yet again you fail at reading. Outline in clear and precise unambiguous terms WHERE I endorse the killing of civilians to achieve political goals or WHERE I endorse ETA. Happy hunting.Vilham wrote:
Yet again you give terrorists excuses and justify them killing INNOCENT people.
"If the Spanish werent there, ETA wouldnt have to kill innocent people" is pretty much what you are saying. To you the only way ETA should disarm is if they win.
You're so imperialist it's hilarious.
I guess you would be the kind of leader/politician who would outlaw the SNP or Plaid Cymru for having 'subversive political viewpoints'.
You will never understand will you. I'd love to hear you spout the same crap if Germany had won the Battle of Britain. Heil Vilham! Ja Wol.Vilham wrote:
No what is funny is that im not imperialist, whats funny is i get over shit that happened hundreds of years ago. MOVE ON. People that cant move on just drag our entire race down. GET OVER IT! Living in the past serves no purpose, other than fucking up what we have now. If a country has been a country for more than even ONE generation there is no reason to split it up. Ties have been made, breaking them serves no purpose other than pleasing those that cant get over shit.
PS Breaking the ties serves the interests of the Basque people...
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If i was born after Germany controlled England and aslong as we were not repressed then yes. Muppet. Just like to throw this back in your face, that example doesnt even compare to the 800 years your country had to ease into it... note 200 years less than England had but still a stupidly long amount of time. Ive said it once ill say it a million times more. GET. OVER. IT.CameronPoe wrote:
You will never understand will you. I'd love to hear you spout the same crap if Germany had won the Battle of Britain. Heil Vilham! Ja Wol.Vilham wrote:
No what is funny is that im not imperialist, whats funny is i get over shit that happened hundreds of years ago. MOVE ON. People that cant move on just drag our entire race down. GET OVER IT! Living in the past serves no purpose, other than fucking up what we have now. If a country has been a country for more than even ONE generation there is no reason to split it up. Ties have been made, breaking them serves no purpose other than pleasing those that cant get over shit.
We are in the year 2007 and your still living in 1200.
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So you're saying the Basques haven't been repressed since 1936? Try reading some books - they're the things where pages are bound together with a cover round the outside. Jeez.Vilham wrote:
If i was born after Germany controlled England and aslong as we were not repressed then yes. Muppet. Just like to throw this back in your face, that example doesnt even compare to the 800 years your country had to ease into it... note 200 years less than England had but still a stupidly long amount of time. Ive said it once ill say it a million times more. GET. OVER. IT.CameronPoe wrote:
You will never understand will you. I'd love to hear you spout the same crap if Germany had won the Battle of Britain. Heil Vilham! Ja Wol.Vilham wrote:
No what is funny is that im not imperialist, whats funny is i get over shit that happened hundreds of years ago. MOVE ON. People that cant move on just drag our entire race down. GET OVER IT! Living in the past serves no purpose, other than fucking up what we have now. If a country has been a country for more than even ONE generation there is no reason to split it up. Ties have been made, breaking them serves no purpose other than pleasing those that cant get over shit.
No actually im referring to you basically bringing up cases not even remotely similar to Ireland and basing the same ideas on it.
This is a thread about THE BASQUE COUNTRY Vilham, to be dealt with on its own merits and details. Can you read the words I've just written. I'll reiterate: THE BASQUE COUNTRY. Got it now?Vilham wrote:
No actually im referring to you basically bringing up cases not even remotely similar to Ireland and basing the same ideas on it.
Agreed. Some people just can't get a clue.CameronPoe wrote:
This is a thread about THE BASQUE COUNTRY Vilham, to be dealt with on its own merits and details. Can you read the words I've just written. I'll reiterate: THE BASQUE COUNTRY. Got it now?Vilham wrote:
No actually im referring to you basically bringing up cases not even remotely similar to Ireland and basing the same ideas on it.
I dont think you get my point. You bring up stuff like this all the time and try to personalise it about Ireland. Whether you just do that subconsciously or not, you do it.CameronPoe wrote:
This is a thread about THE BASQUE COUNTRY Vilham, to be dealt with on its own merits and details. Can you read the words I've just written. I'll reiterate: THE BASQUE COUNTRY. Got it now?Vilham wrote:
No actually im referring to you basically bringing up cases not even remotely similar to Ireland and basing the same ideas on it.
As for the topic i have already mentioned my Basque mate, his relatives and most people he knows want to remain part of Spain, they dont live in the past, they also dont go around blowing up other people to get their "freedom".
ETA should disband right this second, if you disagree with that you are advocating their existence, which is to kill innocence people, thus you support the killing of innocence people.
The Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Cou … mmunity%29 about Euskadi is very informative, and I still think that they don't need to be independent, they have enough autonomy : "The autonomous community has its own police force (the Ertzaintza),controls the education and health systems, and has a Basque radio/TV station. These and other powers under the Gernika Statute have recently transferred by the Cortes Generales."
Vilham. I'll ask you this once.Vilham wrote:
I dont think you get my point. You bring up stuff like this all the time and try to personalise it about Ireland. Whether you just do that subconsciously or not, you do it.
As for the topic i have already mentioned my Basque mate, his relatives and most people he knows want to remain part of Spain, they dont live in the past, they also dont go around blowing up other people to get their "freedom".
ETA should disband right this second, if you disagree with that you are advocating their existence, which is to kill innocence people, thus you support the killing of innocence people.
Do you agree that people, who have not been proven to be linked to a banned organisation, should be banned from standing for election?
Yes or no. Simple as. This is about DEMOCRACY.
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Ofc not.
My original comment was in response to "If they were granted their homeland ETA would lay down their arms."
Well done for somehow turning round ETAs terrorism on the Spainish, i guess its their fault that ETA chose to go blow up innocent people.
My original comment was in response to "If they were granted their homeland ETA would lay down their arms."
Well done for somehow turning round ETAs terrorism on the Spainish, i guess its their fault that ETA chose to go blow up innocent people.
The comment I made was in response to someone talking about a post-independence scenario. I don't endorse the killing of civilians.Vilham wrote:
Ofc not.
My original comment was in response to "If they were granted their homeland ETA would lay down their arms."
Well done for somehow turning round ETAs terrorism on the Spainish, i guess its their fault that ETA chose to go blow up innocent people.
It seems as though we are in agreement on the OP after all. Good day sir.
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Sorry to say CamronPoe but im a Brit not a Basque.
Its funny to me at times that Spain can call itself a Democracy after all you have got the PP who refuse to condemn Franco and all of his KILLINGS, (may girlfriend still has a uncle missing) and who are still trying to find a link between ETA and Al-Qaeda for the bombings in Madrid. Spain is and will be Fascist for many years to come,
In Britain i can never remember the Government banning SINFEIN, they did block the voice of Gerry Adams for a long time but banning outright never. Banning Batasuna is like banning Sinfein, there will never be a peace process unless Batasuna are aloud to stand like any other party.
Its funny to me at times that Spain can call itself a Democracy after all you have got the PP who refuse to condemn Franco and all of his KILLINGS, (may girlfriend still has a uncle missing) and who are still trying to find a link between ETA and Al-Qaeda for the bombings in Madrid. Spain is and will be Fascist for many years to come,
In Britain i can never remember the Government banning SINFEIN, they did block the voice of Gerry Adams for a long time but banning outright never. Banning Batasuna is like banning Sinfein, there will never be a peace process unless Batasuna are aloud to stand like any other party.
I've lived in Spain, and so I can assure you I am under no illusions about how angelic the Spanish are. My actual point was that I don't think ETA would lay down their arms. They make plenty of money by extorting local business owners at the moment, and I see no reason as to why they would stop doing this were the Basque country separated. If anything, I would imagine that it would go up, as there would then be less forces trying to stop them. ETA are not the angelic bunch of people you probably think they are.CameronPoe wrote:
The Basque country is the richest, most fertile and most industrialised region of Spain. Tax money pours out of the region into the pockets of the Spaniards, so I believe. It's time to stop the rot. Why should the Spanish be enjoying the fruits of the success of the Basque, NON-Spanish, people. If they were granted their homeland ETA would lay down their arms. The Spanish are not the angelic bunch of people you probably think they are.ghettoperson wrote:
I've always heard that it was a very small percentage of the Basques that want to separate though. And let's be honest, I can't really see it becoming that good for them if it happens. ETA already have enough control there, I think if the Spanish returned it it would just get worse.
Believe me I don't think ETA are in anyway angelic.ghettoperson wrote:
I've lived in Spain, and so I can assure you I am under no illusions about how angelic the Spanish are. My actual point was that I don't think ETA would lay down their arms. They make plenty of money by extorting local business owners at the moment, and I see no reason as to why they would stop doing this were the Basque country separated. If anything, I would imagine that it would go up, as there would then be less forces trying to stop them. ETA are not the angelic bunch of people you probably think they are.
Judging by how the Basques have been known to act violently against the Spanish government, I can't say I blame them.CameronPoe wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6629239.stm
Turns out Spain are just as fond of manipulating/fixing 'democratic' elections as other western nations. THey are banning hundreds of candidates from local elections who happen to believe in the legitimate right of the ancient and unique Basque people of having their own independent country, the Basque Country (El País Vasco or Euskal Herria). It turns out 'accusations of connections to' equates to 'guilty until proven innocent' in Spain.
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