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2006-01-18 14:30:24
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7158|Salt Lake City

I made a thread over in the improvments section.  My idea went something like this.

If you die from a TK, the option to punish doesn't appear until a medic can no longer revive you.  If they still want to punish after that, it's a  choice, but I feel with some time to think about it before hand, there will be far less punishes.

It may also help the system if the TK message was less obtrusive.  I know there are times when I punished accidentally, just because I wanted that damn message to stop obstructing my view.
2006-01-19 02:03:13
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|7102
Just single them out . That's what I do . I got shot in the face for a helicopter by one guy three times IAR . I killed the guy like ten times , I shot him just enough to drain hin to 10% when I saw him in combat . Everytime I see this guy on the net I kill him . It's to the point where I show up and see him and he leaves right away lol . I even put the bastard on my buddy list to hunt him down Muwahahahahahaha . That'll learn him
2006-01-19 19:42:05
rook187
Member
+0|7117
I was on Wake 2007 today and I have a Chinese tank and jeep in my sights at the airfield. Just as I make my approach an anemy fighter lock on. I drop my bombs and hit my afterburner. I dont have time to look at my kills when I see a "You've been punished for team kill" I freak out and next thing I know I'm blown out of the sky. I then ask the guy why he punished. He says its because he was placing a mine on the tank and I didn't say sorry.

1. Didn't know I TKd you
2. I was in the middle of a dog fight
3. I got 3 kills vs the 1 TK it was an accident

He left the server. Assbag!
2006-01-19 22:47:00
wiez
Member
+1|7132

Bert10099 wrote:

Even if it wasn't intentional, and they don't say sorry, I punish.  Have them learn some respect.
Yeah, thanks for that.

As Rook has said, there are times when you are just a little too busy to notice that you have a TK and therefore to apologise. Most of the time I only discover I have a TK because I notice the message that I get punished for it. If I know I have TK'd (i.e. guy runs in front of my vehicle or similar) AND I'm not in the middle of a firefight I will say sorry, but all too often you just don't have the time, so maybe you should follow your own rules. I didn't notice one that said punish everyone that doesn't apologise.

Personally I only punish when it was intentional OR extremely idiotic/selfish and pisses me off no end, which isn't too often.
2006-01-19 23:33:05
SpiritofDeath
Member
+0|7126|Austria
I rarely punish.It's good that i changed my .utxt so that I can see what teamkilled me.Normally theres only XXX[Teamkill]SpiritofDeath but it could help to decide knowing  with what you were killed.Yesterday i went out for the expert knife on a full 64 Karkand Server.I ran around the hotel and wanted to stab someone.TK -> greedy spawnkilling apc-whore.Didn't punish.A bit later the same... and again.After he tk'd me 4 times it was enough and i punished.Spawnkilling and teamkilling at the same time is damn dumb.
When i get tK'd i want at least a "sorry" if not, then it could turn out that i punish.

Last edited by SpiritofDeath (2006-01-19 23:34:23)

2006-01-19 23:44:04
[1MI]CriticalFailure
Member
+0|7203|Wisco

SpiritofDeath wrote:

I rarely punish.It's good that i changed my .utxt so that I can see what teamkilled me.Normally theres only XXX[Teamkill]SpiritofDeath but it could help to decide knowing  with what you were killed.Yesterday i went out for the expert knife on a full 64 Karkand Server.I ran around the hotel and wanted to stab someone.TK -> greedy spawnkilling apc-whore.Didn't punish.A bit later the same... and again.After he tk'd me 4 times it was enough and i punished.Spawnkilling and teamkilling at the same time is damn dumb.
When i get tK'd i want at least a "sorry" if not, then it could turn out that i punish.
Hey, how do you change the text output to say what  you were TKed with?
2006-01-20 09:02:48
Dr.Battlefield
Got milk?
+150|7174
Punish doesnt affect your score somehow anymore. The only job for it is to give information to punkbuster, which is programmed to kick you after you reach the kick level. Only way your score vary after each tk is actually because you could make a team damage before t/k.

Anyway punishers suck

GL HF

Last edited by Dr.Battlefield (2006-01-20 09:03:40)

2006-01-20 09:19:22
Z-trooper
BF2s' little helper
+209|7180|Denmark

0ktane wrote:

I barely ever punish.  I realize when I make a mistake and I forgive...unless u an idiot
Amen brother!
2006-01-20 14:07:21
A.Aho
Member
+0|7111|Finland

G/SiLo wrote:

i'm fourteen so its not age that contains the problem. the big deal is that some people have no respect for other people. i mean how many times have u just pressed page down to punish without even thinking about it just to get that damn bright yellow and orange box out of the middle of your screen. they should just shut the whole voting thing down and make it 5 tk's and ut out.
I haven't ever got 5 TK's in a row, i'd say 2 TK's and out. 1TK is a mistake 2TK's is a bad luck and
3TK's is on purpose.
2006-01-20 14:14:58
SlimJim
Member
+0|7096|Bay Area, California
I always forgive when I know my teammate made a mistake and was just a little to frosty!!! I always weigh the circumstances and most of time I forgive and forget. But if your being an asshat or just not being a team player, by making things difficult for the team, punish, punish, punish!!!.

Last edited by SlimJim (2006-01-20 14:45:01)

2006-01-20 14:19:16
RDMC_old
Member
+0|7158|Almere, Holland

jonnykill wrote:

Last night I was on Strike for Karkand . I Snagged the tank and headed for the mian battle . On my way Some noob comes out of no where and of course runs directly into my path at full speed . I was a medic and hopped out to revive him . Just before I got to him he punished me . I was about 1 foot from him and noticed an enemy car packed with troops and the gunner up top was firing at me but they were moving fast and directly to our base to rape it . That was my last punishment and I got kicked .
Now he is still dead , I WAS the only troop around much less being a medic the only guy to revive him , the enemy is heading to our base in a car packed with troops and the tank is just sitting there in the middle of the road . Now if this asshat didn't punish me I could have revived him . Both of us could have jumped in the tank and defended the base . Sad part was this guy was an Engineer . He could have fixed the tank if need or fix the stuff they no dout blew up at home base . With out a dout they probly base raped us , took out all our stuff and snagged the tank just  sitting there . Now this guy ( the Engineer ) probably spawned at the clostest SP to save our base . Only to get killed by the 5 or 6 guys who just took it . Nice job Rambo ( rolls eyes ) .
Ok I had such a frikkin strange thing going on just this afternoon.. ok yeah I was playing medic.. like I mostly do and I saw this allmost dead dude.. so in a natural response I run up to him and throw some medpacks but he was so damn stupid and he didnt pick up the medpacks so I ran up to the dude with the medpack to heal him and when he was just over half of his health he suddenly puts 8 bug shots through my head.. I was like WTF Well so I punished him and later when he respond I just had to TK him.. felt so damn goood
2006-01-20 14:21:00
RDMC_old
Member
+0|7158|Almere, Holland

A.Aho wrote:

G/SiLo wrote:

i'm fourteen so its not age that contains the problem. the big deal is that some people have no respect for other people. i mean how many times have u just pressed page down to punish without even thinking about it just to get that damn bright yellow and orange box out of the middle of your screen. they should just shut the whole voting thing down and make it 5 tk's and ut out.
I haven't ever got 5 TK's in a row, i'd say 2 TK's and out. 1TK is a mistake 2TK's is a bad luck and
3TK's is on purpose.
what if you are on wake and on of yur missles suddenly goes do this allmost destroyed full bh.. resulting in you getting 5 tk's? those 5 are entirely bad luck..
2006-01-20 14:23:20
RDMC_old
Member
+0|7158|Almere, Holland
Even if it wasn't intentional, and they don't say sorry, I punish.  Have them learn some respect.
Same here.. just say frikkin sorry.. I will punish somebody for this as soon as I really died.. I do allways wait in case I get revived..
2006-01-20 14:50:17
SlimJim
Member
+0|7096|Bay Area, California
Listen too yourself... "Even if it was unintentional, If they dont say sorry I punish anyway!" Come on man sometimes you dont have the time or patience to say sorry to an idiot who likes to step in front of tanks driving down the roadway at 45 mph. Think about it before you punish a teammate that was just trying to get to the front in an armor plated killing machine.
2006-01-20 14:59:26
Paladus902
The Last Man Standing
+1|7208
I wait to see what killed me and who.  The only time I usually punish is when its absolutely obvious is was on purpose, all other times I just let it go, after all, most of the time it is an accident.
2006-01-20 15:45:12
Deuceman
Member
+1|7119
I have said this on another thread, but I look at the circumstances of the tk.  If I am in the middle of a fire-fight, and my teammate tk's me I will look to see how it was going.  If I am surrounded by enemy troops he is trying to help.  Why would I punish for that? 

I have learned the need from now on to just let the enemy guy kill my teammate and then kill the enemy.  The only teammate I will risk helping out our my buddies I play with.  So I shoot the 3 guys attacking you and accidentally kill you.  Yeah I did it on purpose.  Too many Gomer Pyle's in this game. 

Yeah I also love the guys that punish for not saying sorry.  Next time I will say "time-out I need to apologize to my teammate I was trying to help out because if I don't he will punish me," in the middle of a firefight.  God use some common sense.

To you guys that feel the need to punish or need to be apologized to for even an accidental TK, I say this:  "I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around."  Kudos to those that know which movie that is from.
2006-01-20 16:11:35
Erwin_Rommel188
Member
+59|7107|Seattle

A.Aho wrote:

G/SiLo wrote:

i'm fourteen so its not age that contains the problem. the big deal is that some people have no respect for other people. i mean how many times have u just pressed page down to punish without even thinking about it just to get that damn bright yellow and orange box out of the middle of your screen. they should just shut the whole voting thing down and make it 5 tk's and ut out.
I haven't ever got 5 TK's in a row, i'd say 2 TK's and out. 1TK is a mistake 2TK's is a bad luck and
3TK's is on purpose.
Unless, of course, a full humvee decides it like friendly mines...
2006-01-20 16:13:08
SlimJim
Member
+0|7096|Bay Area, California

Deuceman wrote:

I have said this on another thread, but I look at the circumstances of the tk.  If I am in the middle of a fire-fight, and my teammate tk's me I will look to see how it was going.  If I am surrounded by enemy troops he is trying to help.  Why would I punish for that? 

I have learned the need from now on to just let the enemy guy kill my teammate and then kill the enemy.  The only teammate I will risk helping out our my buddies I play with.  So I shoot the 3 guys attacking you and accidentally kill you.  Yeah I did it on purpose.  Too many Gomer Pyle's in this game. 

Yeah I also love the guys that punish for not saying sorry.  Next time I will say "time-out I need to apologize to my teammate I was trying to help out because if I don't he will punish me," in the middle of a firefight.  God use some common sense.

To you guys that feel the need to punish or need to be apologized to for even an accidental TK, I say this:  "I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around."  Kudos to those that know which movie that is from.
Amen, To that Deuceman and by the way "Full Metal Jacket"
2006-01-20 18:13:54
AuSFinN
Member
+1|7111
Make yourself a criteria. For example;

Some one accidently runs me over in a tank/car/vehicle of any kind. I wait for about 10 seconds. If they dont say sorry then, i punish them, its fair. They should be watching where they're going. Unless i am at fault because i ran infront. Then i forgive.

If i am killed by a grenade/C4/claymore/mine.

If the grenadier says sorry, i forgive. If it was a stupid throw, (he could see me and threw it) i punish. Unless he apologises.

C4- Stupid move=Punish || Says sorry=forgiven

Claymore- Placed in a pretty abvious friendly path=Punish || Obviously placed tactically=forgive || Says sorry=forgive

Mine- C'mon.. You gotta forgive this one. You're stupid enough to run into them. CAN'T YOU SEE THE RED SKULL!? IT DOESN'T MEAN BUTTERCUPS AND RAINBOWS!! Press 'Alt' as that turns off the skull thingy (press again to reactivate) and have a closer look. Mines can be blown up by a tank shell until version 1.2.

If someone is an idiot (Tks on purpose, and i know many who do that) i punish them even if they say sorry. If its on purpose, they deserve it.
2006-01-20 18:16:55
AuSFinN
Member
+1|7111

SlimJim wrote:

Deuceman wrote:

I have said this on another thread, but I look at the circumstances of the tk.  If I am in the middle of a fire-fight, and my teammate tk's me I will look to see how it was going.  If I am surrounded by enemy troops he is trying to help.  Why would I punish for that? 

I have learned the need from now on to just let the enemy guy kill my teammate and then kill the enemy.  The only teammate I will risk helping out our my buddies I play with.  So I shoot the 3 guys attacking you and accidentally kill you.  Yeah I did it on purpose.  Too many Gomer Pyle's in this game. 

Yeah I also love the guys that punish for not saying sorry.  Next time I will say "time-out I need to apologize to my teammate I was trying to help out because if I don't he will punish me," in the middle of a firefight.  God use some common sense.

To you guys that feel the need to punish or need to be apologized to for even an accidental TK, I say this:  "I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around."  Kudos to those that know which movie that is from.
Amen, To that Deuceman and by the way "Full Metal Jacket"
Dude. You have to believe in forgiveness. All you need to do is press Q and move the mouse a little. Not that damned hard. Or are you too lazy? Usually when something goes wrong, someone has to own up, usually saying sorry. Sheesh man. Get some common sense.
2006-01-20 18:34:28
Deuceman
Member
+1|7119
I'll say sorry after the fight.  Not in the middle of it.  That's the point.  Dicks like you want it done right then.  So hold on while I'm fighting so I can move my mouse and not fire so you can feel better about yourself?  And how many times does it come down to a second between losing that firefight and not?  Stop being a dipshit and feel that you need a sorry everytime.  Use common sense and stop fucking guys in the ass without a reach around.
2006-01-20 19:01:28
Orracle9191
Member
+0|7146|Maryland, USA
Why do you care so much about one tk?
2006-01-21 17:37:55
{M.O.B.}Biker
Member
+4|7139|Here, not There!
NOT THAT ANYONE ASKED FOR MY OPINION...
We all have experienced punishment that we've felt was unjustified.... and I'm sure most of us have dealt punishment, to others, that might not have been warranted.
  As other posts have noted, the punishment system allows for a "victim" to have momentary "power" over a total stranger... some people do not handle this "power" well. If someone punishes me for, say, running over my mines, oh well... they had their "God-Like" moment. And I'm certainly not going to waste time arguing in chat.... It's kinda like yelling at a soccer ref over a call... they ain't likely to change their ruling, and it won't help the outcome of the match.

  IMHO, the VAST majority of BF2 players would not intentionally TK anyone. You do not have to play this (or any game) very long to be able to tell the difference between the intentional, and the stupid mistake.

  My personal guidelines:
1. If I was killed for a vehicle, or obvious maliciousness... I punish.
2. If it's a Claymore, C4, Mine, or thrown grenade TK... I let it go. These kills are, by nature, less likely to be intentional, and there may have been circumstances unknown to me that made it MY bumbling mistake (like running thru mines, or turning the corner into a thrown grenade).
3. When in doubt, I let it go... It's too easy to be distracted by TK's/Punish, when I'd rather concentrate on the battle at hand. There have been times when tags were not clear, for one reason or another, or similar circumstances. I'm not a great player myself, so far be it from me  to judge others.

As far as receiving a "sorry"... sure, it's a nice courtesy, but I also realize that timing & circumstances may not allow an immediate apology.  A little patience goes a long way.

IMHO, the VAST majority of BF2 players would not intentionally TK anyone. You do not have to play this (or any game) very long to be able to tell the difference between the intentional, and the unintentional mistake.



Just my 2 cents worth..........
2006-01-21 19:16:09
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|7094|Colorado
I allways give the player the benifit of the doubt & dont punish , wish more people did...
2006-01-22 23:09:50
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|7097|Moscow, Russia
What I say is: Punish less by yourself and don't care and get too pissed if someone punished you even for no reason. Just don't let the TK's of any kind ruin your game.

 

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