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This forum believes Palestinians should give up their right of return.

For46%46% - 23
Against54%54% - 27
Total: 50
2007-05-07 13:21:40
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7079|949

Bertster7 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

However, the proposition should read, " I am (FOR/AGAINST) the Palestinian Right of Return."  A motion would be the actual voting process, not the proposition itself.
Not at any debating society I've ever been to. But, hey, whatever. That's not important to the issue itself.
American English vs. UK English, whatever.
True though, and you have hit the nail on the head when noting that it would do nothing positive for the displaced Palestinian population in regards to repatriation, while eliminating an important legal right.  I particularly like the quote from the professor from Haifa, who expounded that as an observer of the holocaust, he wishes no oppression like that the Israeli Zionists have forced upon many Palestinians.
2007-05-07 13:32:29
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6977|Global Command

paranoid101 wrote:

ATG wrote:

CruZ4dR wrote:

I just clicked on vote and crossed my fingers that I'd picked the right one. =/
you should be here.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewforum.php?id=18

run along.



jonsimon wrote:


Not to mention a mexi-phobe. ATG's working his way up to the rank of 'biggest hater on dst'.
My wife is Mexican you tool.
So that gives you the right to say anything you want does it? Hey look I don't like Mexicans but its ok my wife is Mexican so I can say what ever I want.

My Brother in law is from Afghanistan guess that means I can say just want I want about Muslims then, hey you can't call me racist, my Brother in law is Muslim.

What a crock of shit.
The crock of shit is yours.
WTF does hating mexicans have to do with the US's border poicy?

This is where the forum often fails, and I am guilty as well sometimes ( sorry Serge ): Somebody complaining about Israel gets branded a anti-semite. Me complaining about muslim terrorist, im a muslimphobe, me complaining about illegal aliens, i'm a hater/redneck racist.

Pretty fucking retarded, but hey, it's the intranets.
2007-05-07 13:59:19
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7132|United States of America

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

True though, and you have hit the nail on the head when noting that it would do nothing positive for the displaced Palestinian population in regards to repatriation, while eliminating an important legal right.  I particularly like the quote from the professor from Haifa, who expounded that as an observer of the holocaust, he wishes no oppression like that the Israeli Zionists have forced upon many Palestinians.
Aye, the Zionists. Crazy thing was that before I came to this forum I was thinking, "Damn Palestinians being all invasion-y in Israel, somebody should stop them." Granted, that was long before I started doing any serious reading on the whole Middle East thing(s). Now I'm not exactly condemning those Israelis for trying to expand beyond their borders but should probably be. I'm sure everyone would like to see a peaceful combination of the two sides in the region.
2007-05-07 14:04:25
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7214|UK

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

Let the terrorist Arab countries have them, they will fit right in.
You have developed into an Islamophobe extremist.
Actually he hasnt. I completely agree with the fact that their neighbours would more than welcome them.
2007-05-07 14:33:10
jonsimon
Member
+224|6943

Vilham wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

Let the terrorist Arab countries have them, they will fit right in.
You have developed into an Islamophobe extremist.
Actually he hasnt. I completely agree with the fact that their neighbours would more than welcome them.
Israel is their neighbor, and they don't seem so hot on refugees.
2007-05-07 14:54:41
paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7187

ATG wrote:

paranoid101 wrote:

ATG wrote:

CruZ4dR wrote:

I just clicked on vote and crossed my fingers that I'd picked the right one. =/
you should be here.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewforum.php?id=18

run along.




My wife is Mexican you tool.
So that gives you the right to say anything you want does it? Hey look I don't like Mexicans but its ok my wife is Mexican so I can say what ever I want.

My Brother in law is from Afghanistan guess that means I can say just want I want about Muslims then, hey you can't call me racist, my Brother in law is Muslim.

What a crock of shit.
The crock of shit is yours.
WTF does hating mexicans have to do with the US's border poicy?

This is where the forum often fails, and I am guilty as well sometimes ( sorry Serge ): Somebody complaining about Israel gets branded a anti-semite. Me complaining about muslim terrorist, im a muslimphobe, me complaining about illegal aliens, i'm a hater/redneck racist.

Pretty fucking retarded, but hey, it's the intranets.
I really don't give a shit on what you think of people, but you use your wife as an excuse to say what you want, that what I was pointing out.

So the Crock of shit is yours again.
2007-05-07 15:02:36
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7214|UK

jonsimon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


You have developed into an Islamophobe extremist.
Actually he hasnt. I completely agree with the fact that their neighbours would more than welcome them.
Israel is their neighbor, and they don't seem so hot on refugees.
Israel isnt Muslim.
2007-05-07 15:04:10
Cerpin_Taxt
Member
+155|6650

paranoid101 wrote:

I really don't give a shit on what you think of people, but you use your wife as an excuse to say what you want, that what I was pointing out.

So the Crock of shit is yours again.
Gotta love internet flame wars.

2007-05-08 04:14:38
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7029|SE London

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

However, the proposition should read, " I am (FOR/AGAINST) the Palestinian Right of Return."  A motion would be the actual voting process, not the proposition itself.
Not at any debating society I've ever been to. But, hey, whatever. That's not important to the issue itself.
American English vs. UK English, whatever.
True though, and you have hit the nail on the head when noting that it would do nothing positive for the displaced Palestinian population in regards to repatriation, while eliminating an important legal right.  I particularly like the quote from the professor from Haifa, who expounded that as an observer of the holocaust, he wishes no oppression like that the Israeli Zionists have forced upon many Palestinians.
I agree. But having a closed minded view of these things is not good either. Repatriation may never happen and to eliminate any possibility of peace without repatriation would be short sighted. I could imagine some circumstances where, in the context of a package deal, the right of return could be given up in return for Israeli concessions which would lead to peace.

Ultimately, I can't see any real chance of success for any of the peace processes without massive external pressure from the international community on Israel. Pressure that is impossible to apply with consistent US backing of Israel.

Vilham wrote:

Actually he hasnt. I completely agree with the fact that their neighbours would more than welcome them.
Do you mean the neighbours who have been harbouring the Palestinian refugees in refugee camps for the past 60 years? Places like Lebanon, Jordan etc. Places where over more than half a century the Palestinian refugees have not been accepted?

The Palestinian refugees are a special case. They have their own unique refugee classification.
2007-05-08 04:51:11
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7205|Argentina

ATG wrote:

paranoid101 wrote:

ATG wrote:

CruZ4dR wrote:

I just clicked on vote and crossed my fingers that I'd picked the right one. =/
you should be here.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewforum.php?id=18

run along.




My wife is Mexican you tool.
So that gives you the right to say anything you want does it? Hey look I don't like Mexicans but its ok my wife is Mexican so I can say what ever I want.

My Brother in law is from Afghanistan guess that means I can say just want I want about Muslims then, hey you can't call me racist, my Brother in law is Muslim.

What a crock of shit.
The crock of shit is yours.
WTF does hating mexicans have to do with the US's border poicy?

This is where the forum often fails, and I am guilty as well sometimes ( sorry Serge ): Somebody complaining about Israel gets branded a anti-semite. Me complaining about muslim terrorist, im a muslimphobe, me complaining about illegal aliens, i'm a hater/redneck racist.

Pretty fucking retarded, but hey, it's the intranets.
I apologize for calling you Islamophobe extremist.  And I agree with you that the US has border issues to solve.  I don't think you are xenophobe because you want a more controlled border policy.  In fact the same happens in Argentina with countries like Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru.  They keep coming and we don't know how many millions of illegals we have here.  But regarding Israel heavy handedness I will always criticize them.  It's a matter of defending human rights.  Palestine has been oppressed for a long time and the World remained silent.
2007-05-08 05:20:57
JahManRed
wank
+646|7075|IRELAND

ATG wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

Let the terrorist Arab countries have them, they will fit right in.
You have developed into an Islamophobe extremist.
Whatever.
Your country wasn't attacked, mine was.
Perhaps you'd feel different if you woke up one day and found out Islamic assholes killed 3000 Argentians.

Oh wait, it was Massod and Bush neocons that did it...I forgot.
Thankful most people outside the US don't think like you ATG. Otherwise I would be labeled a terrorist just as easily as you just generalized a whole section of the planet over the actions of a few. So the Palestinians are now to blame for 9/11??? Don't make me laugh man.
I still get shit from right wing English men when I'm over there because someone with the same religion as me from the same area as me set off some bombs 10 years ago.

If you consider the population of Northern Ireland is just less than 2million and we lost more people during our time embroiled in terrorism that the 100s of millions of Americans did in 9/11. Not a fact I bring up with relish, but you simply cannot blame your blatant anti Muslim, anti Arab sentiments on 9/11 anymore. If people here in my country thought like you we would still be blowing the shit out of each other.
We have moved on, its time you did....................

 

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